Post-Game Talk: Flames Win with Late PP

[tbcwpg]

He should definitely be on the first PP.

The Jets were 1 for 2 on the PP in this game, and the powerplay goal was scored by....let me check my notes here, one second.....one Nikolaj Ehlers

 

[AlphaLackey]

Don't bother.

In the immortal words of Ringo Starr, "I can't help it; I'm a born lever-puller"

 

[Whileee]

It's not like De Melo was stellar tonight, though he got lucky that 9-55-27 gifted him a +1. And it's not like he's been good for most of the year. That's part of our problem is we don't have a d-partner who is working well with Josh, because Josh himself isn't exactly playing dominant. I'd say that Pionk is our best defenseman by quite a bit to start the year, but we can't afford to play Morrissey-Pionk together, at the risk of a lot of trouble after that.

I agree about switching Morrissey back to his left side though, it's going to be a position we get targeted at if we are running Beaulieu/Forbort/Stanley. The speed of both Forbort and Stanley were exposed on the edge again tonight. Pionk made a great play to save a compromised Forbort midway through the 3rd.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if we go back to what was supposed to be the opening day roster.

Poolman might actually settle down Morrissey right now, where De Melo and Beaulieu have not.

Forbort-Pionk stick together

And Beaulieu-De Melo is a pairing you can play on the road, without having to worry about matchups. I wasn't surprised Stanley didn't look as impressive with Calgary controlling who they played against him. You can argue Stanley should play over Beaulieu, but why? We didn't have a PK goal against with 88 on the ice, again. If he had been in his normal spot, instead of Morrissey, puck probably doesn't get through for the GWG. The penalty was as accidental as you get, trying to play a puck out of his feet. The sad part is that the refs turned a blind eye to earlier penalties, which could have made the difference the other way, earlier. I'm not against sitting Beaulieu out, but I think any chance available, this board will vilify him, even if he isn't the worst player out there.

Looks like the 4 line experiment was 1 game. Lowry getting bumped up to wing gave some jam to Wheeler's line. Lowry deserves minutes, especially now that he is no longer on the PP. He's an impact player, and could be a forechecking menace as a winger. Vesalainen was another player who had some defensive struggles, without matchup protection. If line combos start as they finished, next game could see either Gustafsson or Thompson as the 4c.

It will be interesting to see how Maurice reacts to the loss, and what adjustments he makes. Whether he will have a shorter leash with his rookies than his vets poor performance?

Could have won this game, though the 3rd period was one of the most boring stretches of hockey I watched all year, where neither team had any ambition to take a chance to score in a tie game, without a PP.

Congrats to Byron Froese on getting a goal for the Flames, Manitobans are always a thorn in our side.

Looking forward to the bounce back. Watching Dubois improve game by game.

DeMelo has had a slow start, but it's not surprising since he had very little training camp and then had to take some time off. He really hasn't had a chance to settle in with a good partner. I would stick him with Morrissey and keep them together for a stretch and trust that they will play to their previous performances.

My preferred D pairs, at this point...

24-4
44-2
14-33

 

[PaulD]

I certainly love this guy, what a player. The dude can hit, he gets to the dirty traffic without fear, and he's so strong on the puck.

And brings it for big games. Destroyed the leafs in the play offs last year. They simply had no answer for him.

 

[Whileee]

i turned the game off at the 2nd intermission. it was a boring hockey game by both sides and it was midnight in Toronto. you missed nothing that a youtube highlight reel won't show.

PLD was rusty in the first. invisible when on the ice.
2nd period, he had 1 or 2 solid shifts, but was far from the play driver that he's advertised to be. look, including The Shift, it's been close to 3 weeks without being in a game and he's only had a few days of skating in 2.5 weeks. give him another game or so to find his rhythm.
in the end of the second, he had one nice hit and he had a play where Tkatchuk was on him on the boards near the blue line and he got a solid pass away

Too bad you missed the 3rd - PLD had a really strong period, showing a lot of attributes that are going to make him an impact player with the Jets.

 

[Gm0ney]

In Maurice’s interview on Seravelli’s podcast that was one of his main points of why you can’t just accept advanced stats blindly a d that is just how poorly the information can be gathered at times..

This is more of an argument as to why small samples need to be taken with a grain of salt. Maurice is the King of Horseshit though, so I'm not sure there's enough salt on Earth to take with whatever spews out of his mouth.

 

[sipowicz]

Back to Beyak and Sawyer discussing Thompson:

1) either they are pushing the company line (TNSE)

or

2) both completely clueless

 

[Duke749]

So more minutes than our forward with the least ice time most nights. Our D sucks... Our coach refuses to run 4 lines... I don't see how it hurts us.

Did you even look at the ice time tonight for our forwards?

 

[SUX2BU]

Hey Maurice, put in Heinola.....

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

One more I believe...

No, last nights game did it.

 

[tbcwpg]

Back to Beyak and Sawyer discussing Thompson:

1) either they are pushing the company line (TNSE)

or

2) both completely clueless

I don't believe TNSE is forcing TSN to "push the company line", never have. I think Beyak and Sawyer just like the "good pro" Thompson. I also believe that they spend so much time with the team (usually), that they just absorb the opinions of the coaches and management of the team as their own. This isn't Soviet Russia, despite the Siberian weather we're getting right now - the Politburo isn't controlling state media here.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

Maurice makes some odd decisions sometimes but Ehlers has asked to be on PP2, and Ehlers is on "Mark's line" right now and had top line minutes in this game.

This narrative needs to end.

It was reported that Ehlers rejected playing the slot position on PP1, in favour of playing the half wall on PP2. If Ehlers was asked to play the half wall on PP1 it's an easy decision. He was asked to play a position that doesn't fit his strengths as a player, as per tradition for Paul.

 

[Howard Chuck]

I thought the Jets played pretty well considering the line juggling and a new team mate.

I was really impressed with Dubois even in his first game. He is already the most physical, tenacious Jet. He has speed puck control and HIQ.

My main complaint is about our D in general. They are very lackadaisical retrieving pucks in our end. It’s almost like they don’t think anyone is going to forecheck and they have all the time in the world. If they get to the puck first they often just lazily pass back and forth. Honestly I think Stanley is the quickest at finding a good outlet pass. I know that’s odd.

I know about sliding contracts and everything else, but I want to watch my team win, not manage dollars over a couple of decades. Heinola is probably our best D already. If he isn’t, he is definitely top 2 already. He gives us our best chance to win.

Frustrating to watch some of the D we have when we have at least one player better than most of them, sitting.

 

[Gm0ney]

When was the last time you saw a crosschecking penalty overlooked by the refs? Half a dozen times every game?

And when was the last time you saw a high stick overlooked by the refs?

Unless the refs just didn't see the high stick, it's getting called almost 100% of the time.

Place the blame where it belongs - on the idiot coach(es) who think Beaulieu should get 20+ minutes a night in the National Hockey League.

 

[Jimmyjets]

Tough way to lose a game but I thought the Flames had the better game last night for the most part. We looked like a team coming off a long break early.

I can see why the Refs made that call late on Beaulieu with the embellishment from Gaudreau. He's looking to go on a breakaway there. The stick hit him in the shoulder and he snaps his head back and then checks for blood. I guess they won the game because of it but that is embarrassing. We'll have this same set of refs all season so hopefully they know they owe us one now.

It'll be interesting to see what lineup decisions get made now that Beaulieu has met the expansion criteria. We needed to make sure he got these games in and now that he has and Poolman will be back I'm assuming that JMo goes back to the left. Forbort stays in and so does Stanley while we run DeMelo, Pionk and Poolman on the right side.

With that said, Heinola's only game this year came against the Sens, so maybe they put him out there again?

We can't win them all but these games against the Oilers and Flames feel extra important to me because only 2 of us are going to make the playoffs if Toronto and Montreal stay hot. Getting the clean 2 points is massive.

At least coming off a loss there will be no reason to sleep on the Sens. Will be nice to play someone else.

 

[Jets 31]

DeMelo has had a slow start, but it's not surprising since he had very little training camp and then had to take some time off. He really hasn't had a chance to settle in with a good partner. I would stick him with Morrissey and keep them together for a stretch and trust that they will play to their previous performances.

My preferred D pairs, at this point...

24-4
44-2
14-33

33 ? If Buff is back he should definitely be on the first pairing.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Maybe this should go in the can’t win them all and team competed for 60 minutes even if off. New lines take more than one game to adjust to. Most of the lines were new and wheeler and stastny are old. I’m beginning to think Ves is more of a bust than Stanley.

 

[tbcwpg]

This narrative needs to end.

It was reported that Ehlers rejected playing the slot position on PP1, in favour of playing the half wall on PP2. If Ehlers was asked to play the half wall on PP1 it's an easy decision. He was asked to play a position that doesn't fit his strengths as a player, as per tradition for Paul.

So it's true that he asked to play on the PP2, but because he wanted to play on the half-wall - but he still asked to play on the 2nd unit, so is it really a "narrative" that's incorrect?

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

So it's true that he asked to play on the PP2, but because he wanted to play on the half-wall - but he still asked to play on the 2nd unit, so is it really a "narrative" that's incorrect?

Yes it is incorrect.

He was offered a position and refused it, that is different than asking to be somewhere else. That's the first difference.

The second difference is that he was offered a position that is incompatible for his game and was idiotic to be offered in the first place. He has never been a one time quick trigger guy, why would he want to go play a position he is uncomfortable with to the detriment of the team?

 

[sipowicz]

Maybe this should go in the can’t win them all and team competed for 60 minutes even if off. New lines take more than one game to adjust to. Most of the lines were new and wheeler and stastny are old. I’m beginning to think Ves is more of a bust than Stanley.

Ves is gonna have to more than just skate hard pretty soon, we know Mo fav 36 year old has been and never was Thompson waiting in the wings!

 

[tbcwpg]

Yes it is incorrect.

He was offered a position and refused it, that is different than asking to be somewhere else. That's the first difference.

The second difference is that he was offered a position that is incompatible for his game and was idiotic to be offered in the first place. He has never been a one time quick trigger guy, why would he want to go play a position he is uncomfortable with to the detriment of the team?

First difference, tomayto tomahto. It's semantics - he didn't want to be on the top line.

Second difference doesn't sound like a "fireable offence" to me, which is one of the silliest phrases when it comes to NHL coaching anyway.

 

[BigHulkingThickV]

KVes has chances to score in front of the net in the last 2 games. If he buries either of those I think the narrative is totally different, there wouldn't be anyone asking for a demotion. In all honesty, I'm more impressed with what he did outside of those chances. That's what the game is, those periods of time where you aren't putting up numbers.

 

[Hulide]

Yes it is incorrect.

He was offered a position and refused it, that is different than asking to be somewhere else. That's the first difference.

The second difference is that he was offered a position that is incompatible for his game and was idiotic to be offered in the first place. He has never been a one time quick trigger guy, why would he want to go play a position he is uncomfortable with to the detriment of the team?

Bingo!!!!

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

First difference, tomayto tomahto. It's semantics - he didn't want to be on the top line.

Second difference doesn't sound like a "fireable offence" to me, which is one of the silliest phrases when it comes to NHL coaching anyway.

No it is not semantics.

If I offered you a shit sandwich or a piss sandwich and you say no I would not like the shit sandwich that doesn't mean you asked for a piss sandwich.

Second, sure I would agree with that. I never said it was a fireable offense.

 

[kanadalainen]

Dear Johnny G,

The Olympics are just a few months away.



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