Post-Game Talk: Flames Win with Late PP

[Howard Chuck]

Do we have the cap space to claim Anisimov? I don't actually want him or anything but if it will satisfy Maurice's vet quota and keep Thompson or Lewis out of the lineup then great. At least he can play the sport.

I said it during the game but I'll bet money on the lines being:
Connor-Scheif-Wheeler
Stastny-Dubois-Ehlers
Copp-Lowry-Appleton
Perreault-Thompson-Lewis

Within 5 games of Thompson returning.

The only line I have an issue with above is the Schief line.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Reading this thread makes me think that the Jets have moved to a non hockey market where its fans bitch and moan about reffing as an excuse for losing games because they don't understand the game.

What as opposed to blaming one player or the coach?

There was 2 non calls made back to back because they don't want to "influence" the game then they have to make that call which DID influence the game

 

[ecolad]

It seems to me that a strong case can be made that the refs didn`t simply miss a few obvious penalties by the Flames in the latter half of the 3rd period - but rather, they intentionally turned a blind eye to a whole series of flagrant violations that would have potentially put them in a loss position. (game management gone amok!). And it was far more egregious than the 2 plays against Lewis and Morrissey you guys have picked up on here.I happened to switch over to the SNW coverage briefly, and our friend Hrudey was acknowledging and openly mocking, a play where a Flame had just clearly speared DeMelo behind our net - of course, Hrudey just made a joke of it and never mentioned it again. !! For the refs to then make that embellished stick call against Beaulieu, with just over 2 minutes remaining, confirmed in my mind what was going on and made me both sickened and sad for the league at the same time. I didn`t sleep well.

 

[HannuJ]

That won't happen. Thompson will go in for Vesalainen, ahead of Harkins. Maurice really does lose the plot when dealing with these glue guy vets.

have you ever operated a glue factory? if not, sit down.
lol

 

[HannuJ]

It seems to me that a strong case can be made that the refs didn`t simply miss a few obvious penalties by the Flames in the latter half of the 3rd period - but rather, they intentionally turned a blind eye to a whole series of flagrant violations that would have potentially put them in a loss position. (game management gone amok!). And it was far more egregious than the 2 plays against Lewis and Morrissey you guys have picked up on here.I happened to switch over to the SNW coverage briefly, and our friend Hrudey was acknowledging and openly mocking, a play where a Flame had just clearly speared DeMelo behind our net - of course, Hrudey just made a joke of it and never mentioned it again. !! For the refs to then make that embellished stick call against Beaulieu, with just over 2 minutes remaining, confirmed in my mind what was going on and made me both sickened and sad for the league at the same time. I didn`t sleep well.

eh. every fanbase has this narrative. woe is us. we got pooched by the refs.
the only legitimate complaint is how Tkatchuk can skate around and go into corners with his arms flailing, or do his dumb little things, like after Helle makes a save, he just stands beside him for 15 seconds.

 

[raideralex99]

It seems to me that a strong case can be made that the refs didn`t simply miss a few obvious penalties by the Flames in the latter half of the 3rd period - but rather, they intentionally turned a blind eye to a whole series of flagrant violations that would have potentially put them in a loss position. (game management gone amok!). And it was far more egregious than the 2 plays against Lewis and Morrissey you guys have picked up on here.I happened to switch over to the SNW coverage briefly, and our friend Hrudey was acknowledging and openly mocking, a play where a Flame had just clearly speared DeMelo behind our net - of course, Hrudey just made a joke of it and never mentioned it again. !! For the refs to then make that embellished stick call against Beaulieu, with just over 2 minutes remaining, confirmed in my mind what was going on and made me both sickened and sad for the league at the same time. I didn`t sleep well.

 

[Whileee]

What as opposed to blaming one player or the coach?

There was 2 non calls made back to back because they don't want to "influence" the game then they have to make that call which DID influence the game

The problem really is the obvious non-calls, especially when they are one-sided. You are always going to get penalties like an inadvertent high-stick that they have to call, but you need to be more even-handed in the rest of the game.

 

[DashingDane]

Maurice makes some odd decisions sometimes but Ehlers has asked to be on PP2, and Ehlers is on "Mark's line" right now and had top line minutes in this game.

I'm sorry but this just isn't true in terms of pp. All we know is that Paul offered him the slot on PP1 one time (early last season when he was the topscorer) and he declined. So Ehlers didn't ask to be on PP2, he asked to not play certain a role on PP1. I don't blame him as it wouldn't make much sense for him in the slot with his size and frankly he would be risking injury. Not sure why Paul would ever think that was a good idea.

Edit: just saw others reply. Please ignore above

 

[Duke749]

Reading this thread makes me think that the Jets have moved to a non hockey market where its fans bitch and moan about reffing as an excuse for losing games because they don't understand the game.

Wow...

 

[Atoyot]

What as opposed to blaming one player or the coach?

There was 2 non calls made back to back because they don't want to "influence" the game then they have to make that call which DID influence the game

High sticking is a black and white call, same as shooting the puck over the glass. Rough stuff after the whistle you can look away, Lewis being taken down maybe he fell on his own maybe it was done cleanly. The problem is that they looked away on a bunch of grey area penalties and then we picked up a black and white one that had to be called. "Putting the whistles away" does not and has never made sense because of this. Call penalties that are penalties and these situations don't happen. Randomly changing the rules when you feel like it is stupid.

With that being said, Jets were bad and shouldn't have been that close to a point anyways.

 

[Jets 31]

Unreal.

 

[jokesondee]

Do we have the cap space to claim Anisimov? I don't actually want him or anything but if it will satisfy Maurice's vet quota and keep Thompson or Lewis out of the lineup then great. At least he can play the sport.

I said it during the game but I'll bet money on the lines being:
Connor-Scheif-Wheeler
Stastny-Dubois-Ehlers
Copp-Lowry-Appleton
Perreault-Thompson-Lewis

Within 5 games of Thompson returning.

Switch Wheeler and Ehlers and i'd be on board. Maybe PLD can drag the two old-timers to the promised land.

 

[JetsNut]

The Jets were 1 for 2 on the PP in this game, and the powerplay goal was scored by....let me check my notes here, one second.....one Nikolaj Ehlers

So then we agree that he should be promoted to the first pp!

 

[ecolad]

Reading this thread makes me think that the Jets have moved to a non hockey market where its fans bitch and moan about reffing as an excuse for losing games because they don't understand the game.

I think it`s probably you who don`t understand "the game", my friend. But it`s a lot bigger game than the one you pretend to watch on the ice - it`s a game called "trying desperately to grow the NHL", played by the big business boys who want to ensure that the playoffs occur in certain larger size markets, with potentially larger TV audiences. The sports networks were full of chatter that the Flames were already at risk of falling out of contention if they were unable to defeat the Jet`s to keep close, and, to gain some winning momentum for their forthcoming brief series with Vancouver.

 

[Atoyot]

The Jets were 1 for 2 on the PP in this game, and the powerplay goal was scored by....let me check my notes here, one second.....one Nikolaj Ehlers

I'm having trouble wrapping my head around what you're saying here. Are you saying that because he scored on the powerplay last night that that's somehow proof that he shouldn't get more time on the powerplay and have more talent around him on the powerplay?

 

[Atoyot]

I think it`s probably you who don`t understand "the game", my friend. But it`s a lot bigger game than the one you pretend to watch on the ice - it`s a game called "trying desperately to grow the NHL", played by the big business boys who want to ensure that the playoffs occur in certain larger size markets, with potentially larger TV audiences. The sports networks were full of chatter that the Flames were already at risk of falling out of contention if they were unable to defeat the Jet`s to keep close, and, to gain some winning momentum for their forthcoming brief series with Vancouver.

I'll accept that there are natural biases that cause calls to be made to keep games close, i.e. you don't want to put a team out of it who's already down by calling a penalty on them, but no, this conspiracy theory that you're coming up with that they went into the game with the plan to have Calgary win because they're a larger market does not exist and I don't know why you would bother watching the sport if you truly believe it does.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I'll accept that there are natural biases that cause calls to be made to keep games close, i.e. you don't want to put a team out of it who's already down by calling a penalty on them, but no, this conspiracy theory that you're coming up with that they went into the game with the plan to have Calgary win because they're a larger market does not exist and I don't know why you would bother watching the sport if you truly believe it does.

Otherwise St. Louis would never have been allowed to beat Boston.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think it`s probably you who don`t understand "the game", my friend. But it`s a lot bigger game than the one you pretend to watch on the ice - it`s a game called "trying desperately to grow the NHL", played by the big business boys who want to ensure that the playoffs occur in certain larger size markets, with potentially larger TV audiences. The sports networks were full of chatter that the Flames were already at risk of falling out of contention if they were unable to defeat the Jet`s to keep close, and, to gain some winning momentum for their forthcoming brief series with Vancouver.

If that were true that there was a game within a game and it was as fake as wrestling that would cause a lot of fans to turn off their tvs as they already can predict the outcome. If every time Boston played Carolina, after all Carolina is a pretty small market, refs were told to make it so Carolina lost people in Quebec tuned would tune out. Im guessing there are far more people wanting to see good hockey than for any particular team to win. St. Louis is a tiny market compared to Washington, Toronto so they should never have been allowed to win the Stanley cup. Also I can imagine you can get more fans from neutral cities interested in the game if they cant predict the outcome. After all it's all about the stories and one of the best is the underdog story so Dallas should have beat TB. For one thing they have a bigger population also for another thing it would have made a better underdog story.

 

[WolfHouse]

The refs sucked but not as bad as the CBJ game so there's that.

I'm sure their plan was to let them play but that head snap will always get a penalty call - Beaulieu needed to control his stick... he didn't because he was exhausted - there's blame in multiple places for that loss

 

[LowLefty]

Close game -
Give the new lines a chance to gel - and the new center a chance to climatize.
I was hoping for more but I get why we got what we got.

I did not see a lack of effort out there - I'm seeing a team that is now working harder and now simply need time to get used to each other (line mates).
I wouldn't be calling anyone out in this one - over all, a good, close game.

 

[tbcwpg]

So then we agree that he should be promoted to the first pp!

I'm having trouble wrapping my head around what you're saying here. Are you saying that because he scored on the powerplay last night that that's somehow proof that he shouldn't get more time on the powerplay and have more talent around him on the powerplay?

No, I'm saying that he is getting PP time and not being dramatically "misused", which should for some reason lead to Maurice being fired.

Whether he asked to be on the PP2, or he was offered a spot on the PP1 and declined it, the point is he has chosen to not be on the 1st PP unit as it stands.

 

[Mathil8]

I'll never understand how plays like that spear aren't an automatic suspension. There's no attempt at a hockey play, just a brutal cheap shot to a player with intent to injure. I get referees missing stuff like that in the game, but what's the purpose of DOPS if not for non-hockey plays like this?

 

[Weezeric]

I don’t think the refs are out to get the Jets. I just think the whole culture of “game management” for officials is stupid. The thought that you don’t want to call a penalty in a close game because you don’t want to influence the game leads to situations like last night when the whistles get put away for the entire second half until 2 mins to go and an embellished infraction gets a call and the game is over. So stupid

 

[Ggg99]

High sticking is a black and white call, same as shooting the puck over the glass. Rough stuff after the whistle you can look away, Lewis being taken down maybe he fell on his own maybe it was done cleanly. The problem is that they looked away on a bunch of grey area penalties and then we picked up a black and white one that had to be called. "Putting the whistles away" does not and has never made sense because of this. Call penalties that are penalties and these situations don't happen. Randomly changing the rules when you feel like it is stupid.

With that being said, Jets were bad and shouldn't have been that close to a point anyways.

What is this language of logic and truth that you speak?!?

 

[ecolad]

I'll accept that there are natural biases that cause calls to be made to keep games close, i.e. you don't want to put a team out of it who's already down by calling a penalty on them, but no, this conspiracy theory that you're coming up with that they went into the game with the plan to have Calgary win because they're a larger market does not exist and I don't know why you would bother watching the sport if you truly believe it does.

Yes, I plead guilty to harboring the notion that Bettman and select Governors use undue influence to support certain large markets and to get them into the playoff picture wherever possible. By the way,this is a pretty common discussion on many internet forums and is discussed thoroughly from the business perspective. And ultimately, that is what the NHL is,is it not - big business? I have tried to resist buying into this notion for years -but it has been increasingly more difficult to do so. As much as I love the on-ice game and am a fervent fan, I do indeed question why I follow so closely. and with such passion... .