GDT: Flames vs Devils 7:00 PM EST MSGSN2

[MartyOwns]

this might be a stupid question since i've never played nhl hockey but what exactly does a goalie coach do for an nhl veteran thats played 500+ games or someone thats been in the league like 8+ years? like i get it if theres a rookie goalie or 3rd year pro or coming from euro.

i've been asking that for years. nobody here knows, but having a fall guy is very convenient so here we are.

 

[My3Sons]

The reasons for last night's loss are myriad but the fancy numbers say that Bratt Mercer and Haula struggled mightily in terms of the expected goals rating. As a group the only forward above 50% for the game was Hischier. Hard to know how much was on Markstrom but the team did him no favors in the third.

 

[Signal]

I blame myself. No good ever happens when I wear my Devils hoodie on game day but I tempted fate yesterday

Wait a minute.... Weren't you supposed to be at the pet store last night???

lol.

 

[Signal]

Cory was benched over less in March of 2018. Although Cory was really bad leading up to him leaving the lineup to injury, which Markstrom wasn’t.

They were basically done with Cory by game 68 after only 3 games played in March/returning from injury to that point. Kinkaid even played an entire back to back set, but got lit up for four in the second half of it by the Ducks after shutting out the Kings the night before.

So they went with Cory in what was game 73 against the Sharks, but he was horrible and had to be pulled in the 2nd period. That was his last start until game 82. We clinched with a win in game 81. Kinkaid played every game between from there on out, including two entire sets of back to backs.

I really thought the Pittsburgh game was Markstrom’s Cory in San Jose moment, but last night BETTER have been it.

How the hell do you remember all that Bleed??? LOL

 

[Bleedred]

How the hell do you remember all that Bleed??? LOL

I looked up game logs from hockey reference to get precise numbers. There was no way I would have remembered game numbers. I actually thought Cory played more than 4 games that month. So I looked up what game of the year it was when we played San Jose and he was benched till the clinch. I do remember that game though.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Said it a million times. Skill with goalies is important, but confidence is most important.

If the team starts running around and you can sense a goal coming in the audience, even a Shesterkin or Heleybuk will give one up unless they are supremely confident.

Dano and Bryce said at some point late in the 2nd. "We saw this with the Blue Jackets last game" where the ice just tilts for several shifts in a row, and we can't complete passes, win the puck out get out of our end.

It took a few ridiculous stops by Allen to keep us alive last game and he is feeling it right now

Markstrom started the game on shaky ground. Most goales would not have made it out of the third without giving up goals.

I agree that they should sub for nemec. I agree that the defenseman are tied and it shows up differently for each guy But the bottom line is learning how to not panic.

If we play the same way, it doesn't matter who is in net.

 

[Devs3cups]

Said it a million times. Skill with goalies is important, but confidence is most important.

If the team starts running around and you can sense a goal coming in the audience, even a Shesterkin or Heleybuk will give one up unless they are supremely confident.

Dano and Bryce said at some point late in the 2nd. "We saw this with the Blue Jackets last game" where the ice just tilts for several shifts in a row, and we can't complete passes, win the puck out get out of our end.

It took a few ridiculous stops by Allen to keep us alive last game and he is feeling it right now

Markstrom started the game on shaky ground. Most goales would not have made it out of the third without giving up goals.

I agree that they should sub for nemec. I agree that the defenseman are tied and it shows up differently for each guy But the bottom line is learning how to not panic.

If we play the same way, it doesn't matter who is in net.

While I do agree with the fact the team didn’t look their best in the 3rd at all, at some point the goalie can step up behind his when the team’s not playing their best hockey. It was 1 period. Allen did it the other night with a much smaller cushion. I’m not absolving the team, they played a bad third, but Markstrom should get some criticism, goals number 2 and 3 were ROUGH. He let in 3 goals on 14 shots, and 2 of those goals weren’t grade A chances.

I’m pretty confident we win that game if Allen is in net.

 

[Bleedred]

While I do agree with the fact the team didn’t look their best in the 3rd at all, at some point the goalie can step up behind his when the team’s not playing their best hockey. It was 1 period. Allen did it the other night with a much smaller cushion. I’m not absolving the team, they played a bad third, but Markstrom should get some criticism, goals number 2 and 3 were ROUGH. He let in 3 goals on 14 shots, and 2 of those goals weren’t grade A chances.

I’m pretty confident we win that game if Allen is in net.

10 goals against on his last 49 shots.

Allen let in 1 goal on like 46 shots the other night.

Imagine Allen letting in like 9 goals in the Columbus game. That's basically what Markstrom has done his last 2 games.

He also turned back the clock to 2017 for the Pens on Saturday. And we didn't play as bad that game as we did in the 3rd last night, we just couldn't score (big surprise!) until we started getting power plays.

I'm pretty confident that if Markstrom plays okay we get at least 2 points and very likely 3 combined out of the Pittsburgh and Calgary game, with the potential to get all 4.

 

[RNCDevil]

BTW, does anyone know what happened to Douglas?

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

'one good month' where he put up a .937 and was 8-1-1. Do we really have to do this every time? It's the best regular season month for a Devils goaltender maybe ever. Yeah, there's one other good month, 2 okay months, and one awful, bottom falling out month, but please don't engage in reverse hyperbole.

If you're happy with giving up a first rounder for one month of goaltending then I don't know what the f*** to tell you, lol

He's gonna finish well below Vanecek's save % from 22-23 and somehow this fanbase is ok with that after crushing Vanecek for being mentally soft most of that year.

 

[njdevils1982]

BTW, does anyone know what happened to Douglas?

i heard he was still in dallas. last seen enjoying the marisol retrospective at the museum of art

that's all i got

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

10 goals against on his last 49 shots.

Allen let in 1 goal on like 46 shots the other night.

Imagine Allen letting in like 9 goals in the Columbus game. That's basically what Markstrom has done his last 2 games.

He also turned back the clock to 2017 for the Pens on Saturday. And we didn't play as bad that game as we did in the 3rd last night, we just couldn't score (big surprise!) until we started getting power plays.

I'm pretty confident that if Markstrom plays okay we get at least 2 points and very likely 3 combined out of the Pittsburgh and Calgary game, with the potential to get all 4.

He's cost us multiple games this year with his soft shitty goals, not shocking at all

 

[Bleedred]

He's cost us multiple games this year with his soft shitty goals, not shocking at all

I'm not trying to play the ''The way he played before the injury didn't happen!'' but he's been in net for virtually all of the games that we were tied around the 5 minute mark in the 3rd and we wound up losing a point in.

Going all the way back to his game in Detroit on October 24th, game 10 of the season, when he allowed a very weak goal to Patrick Kane with 3:32 left in regulation. The first Calgary game (we were shutout though), The Anaheim game on NYE, the San Jose game on the same road trip a few days later. That one had like 30 seconds left in regulation? Same shit happened against Dallas, only with like 5 seconds left. Then there was the disaster last night.

 

[longislanddevil]

Straight up embarrassing stuff last night.

Did anyone actually think Mercer would score on that breakaway? Does he ever? No. I’m so over this JAG. A goal there could have significantly changed the course of the game.

I’m not upset with Keefe for playing Markstrom. If he was going to “get right” with the revenge game narrative, it would have been last night. I suspect he strongly wanted to play Allen but thought he’d give Markstrom one more shot. We will find out soon enough. Allen needs to get serious run here because we don’t have the luxury of being able to eff around and wait for Markstrom to get his groove back (no guarantee it even happens). It’s disconcerting to me that Markstrom played great the last two years pre-injury but has been absolutely trash after returning both times.

What I am irritated about from Keefe is separating Bratt and Glass. How does that make any sense with how that duo has been performing together? Bratt is so talented but I don’t think anyone can elevate Mercer. Playing with Nico and Timo didn’t help him. It’s just a waste of Bratt saddling him to Mercer. That really is a condemning indictment of Mercer. It’s time to move on.

 

[SansaStark]

Blame still lies with the players. Fitz especially and even Keefe have had some decisions worth questioning but ultimately its on the players to not fold mentally in the 3rd with a lead.

I honestly thought the first 30-40 minutes they looked way better than they have lately. But they blew another chance to build momentum. This is a player/player-leadership problem.

 

[My3Sons]

Blame still lies with the players. Fitz especially and even Keefe have had some decisions worth questioning but ultimately its on the players to not fold mentally in the 3rd with a lead.

I honestly thought the first 30-40 minutes they looked way better than they have lately. But they blew another chance to build momentum. This is a player/player-leadership problem.

For some reason Keefe juggled the lines and seemingly Glass got lost in the shuffle. Hischier played over 22 minutes and Glass played less than 13:30. That seems like an error. If Glass had played 18 and Hischier 20 maybe they have more zip down the stretch? The whole lineup was thrown into disarray with Palat and Lazar out. Bratt was a minus two and MacDermid was a minus player in all of 3:52. Lots of blame to go around last night.

 

[njdevils1982]

Blame still lies with the players. Fitz especially and even Keefe have had some decisions worth questioning but ultimately its on the players to not fold mentally in the 3rd with a lead.

I honestly thought the first 30-40 minutes they looked way better than they have lately. But they blew another chance to build momentum. This is a player/player-leadership problem.

yep. the first two periods they looked fast, skating well and wanting to play. the third was an absolute 180 turd

it was difficult to watch

 

[Bleedred]

If you're happy with giving up a first rounder for one month of goaltending then I don't know what the f*** to tell you, lol

He's gonna finish well below Vanecek's save % from 22-23 and somehow this fanbase is ok with that after crushing Vanecek for being mentally soft most of that year.

The year Vanecek was being crushed for being mentally soft was 23-24, where he played worse than Markstrom is currently pacing for. Assuming he doesn’t play .816% the rest of the year like he has his last 5 games.

 

[Dylan9z9]

For who, the Chow man? Casey getting even fewer minutes? Haatka clearly isn't even an option with this staff, what other options do we have?

Brendan Smith !

 

[Bleedred]

One other thing Keefe/Fitz need to figure out and FAST is if they feel more comfortable with playing Chowlowski 13 minutes a game or if they’re gonna keep playing Nemec 9 minutes a game and basically rolling 5.5 defensemen a night. And the other 5 games keeling over soon enough.

Keefe publicly mentioned in last night’s presser being down to 5 defensemen, but some of that is his fault for Nemec being in and him only giving him 9 minutes multiple times this recent stretch.