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A good pick in 2025 will give us an ELC player when we will likely need one.
HF Habs: Flames or Panthers 1st Round Pick 2025
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also keep in mind that if we pass on the Flames '24 pick, which I assume we will, then everything starts with the Panthers as it will come down to what happens with their 1st round pick. That pick is lottery protected, but everything would flow from that pick.
So in this example it breaks down two ways,
1- panthers pick is not a lotto pick, which is what I would expect, then as long as both teams aren't top 10, which we already know the panthers wouldn't since this is based off the pick not being a lotto pick, then we get the better of the 2 picks.
I think this is what we could see happen as long as the Flames aren't picking top 10 but of course 2 years is a long time.
2- panthers pick is a lotto pick. then it breaks one of 2 ways, the Flames pick is either top 10 or not. Then more things can happen but at this point I don't see both the Flames and Panthers being top 10 picks in '25, but a year from now we'll have a better idea.
So in this example it breaks down two ways,
1- panthers pick is not a lotto pick, which is what I would expect, then as long as both teams aren't top 10, which we already know the panthers wouldn't since this is based off the pick not being a lotto pick, then we get the better of the 2 picks.
I think this is what we could see happen as long as the Flames aren't picking top 10 but of course 2 years is a long time.
2- panthers pick is a lotto pick. then it breaks one of 2 ways, the Flames pick is either top 10 or not. Then more things can happen but at this point I don't see both the Flames and Panthers being top 10 picks in '25, but a year from now we'll have a better idea.
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Wouldn't Florida have to finish bottom 10 in 2025 for this to happen? I think that is unlikely.
Title of this thread is misleading: it should be, Flames/Florida 2025 1st.
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Just so everyone is clear, we don't get the 1st OA in '26 as it's not in any part of the conditions of the trade.
What happens is IF the Flames pick is 1st OA in '25 (and this is only if the panthers are a lottery team in '25) then we get the Flames 3rd and whatever '26 1st round pick is better, Flames or Panthers.
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If the Panthers pick doesn't transfer (because the Panthers miss the playoffs) in 2025, then the Habs get the Flames pick unless it is #1 OA.
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montreal
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if they don't get the panthers pick then it breaks 1 of 2 ways - the Flames picking top 10 or not picking top 10.
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There's also a possibility that they really like who is on the board when that Flames pick is up and prefer to just get someone in the system they like earlier than hoping for a miracle scenario to get a really high pick.
The problem is that I think the Flames suck and they won't be picking high enough for us to claim it this year.
The problem is that I think the Flames suck and they won't be picking high enough for us to claim it this year.
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I believe they have to let the Flames know, at least, 48 hours prior to the draft they are taking the 2024 pick, so they won’t know who is on the board at that pick.
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I think the condition is that we have to decide 2 days before the draft, so they won’t really know who is available, also I agree that CGY might pick lower than 20 but regardless, I think it is a pretty easy call to roll the dice on the following season hoping for a better pick/value, CGY just doesn’t seem like a team that will progress, not a lot of prospect, ageing core, trouble attracting and keeping player, cap situation is avg at best, they were retooled by a GM trying to dig is way out of a bad situation a la MB…
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If the Flames don't get the Panthers pick, the Habs get the Flames 2025 pick unless it is #1OA.
The breakdown between top 10 or not is just for possible bonus draft picks.
montreal
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correct, with the way it's set up then if the panthers suck in '25 and are a lottery team then it will come down to where is the Flames pick, they break it down by top 10 pick or not.
Scenario: In the event CGY does NOT receive FLA’s 1st round pick:
Sub-scenario: CGY’s pick is NOT top 10
1. MTL will receive the CGY pick, and
2. If FLA’s pick is not top 10, is a better pick than CGY’s, and was transferred to another team due to prior conditions, MTL will also receive CGY’s 2025 4th round pick.
Result: TBD
Sub-scenario: CGY’s pick is top 10:
1. If CGY’s pick is 1st overall, MTL will receive CGY’s 2025 3rd, and the better of CGY and FLA’s 2026 1st round pick. Result: TBD
2. If CGY’s pick is 2nd to 10th, MTL receives CGY’s 2025 1st round pick. Result: TBD
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So if the pick of 2024 draft is between 20-32... Habs can decide to keep the pick or have instead 2025 or 2026.
If it's between 20-25 and good players are still there, I would certainly don't be mad if they keep the pick.
If it's between 20-25 and good players are still there, I would certainly don't be mad if they keep the pick.
montreal
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correct, before the draft we will likely have a much clearer picture. If the Flames end up 20th OA or a few spots higher, then the Habs will have a decision to make as they might not get much better the following year depending on the direction both the Flames and Panthers are looking at by June.
If they have to notify the Flames 2 days before the draft that will make it tougher to see who might be on board but again as we get to June things should look clearer so we'll see then.
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2nd overall in '25 sounds good to me
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In any case, we have to hope Lindholm and Hanifin leave at the end of the year or are traded for futures that won't have an impact next year. Huberdeau and Markstrom still sucking would help too, although I think Hubbydoo rebounds somewhat with a new coach this year.
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Exactly what is on my mind. At some point, all the guys we have on ELC or bridges now will need raises and having extra futures down the road is ideal. We get to insert players to fill holes on cheap ELC vs being forced to try to do it with trades or UFA signings.
I feel this was exactly the problem the Oilers and Leafs had with their top heavy teams. They lacked younger guys on ELC. Look at Point, Sergachev, and Cirelli with Tampa.
I would prefer to delay the pick to a future draft and take the chance it's 10-20 range or even better. Even if you think it's deep from 20-32, you just don't really know. Take the shot at a 10-20 range pick which has much better probability of hitting
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If the Flames 2024 pick is 1-19 I guess Flames keep their pick and the same conditions apply for the upcoming years, right?
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HuGo will trade the pick if it’s a 2024. Probably look like the MoneyHands 1st + one of our top D prospects for some kind of dynamic offensive F.
2024/25 season there will be no talk of tanking.
2024/25 season there will be no talk of tanking.
