HF Habs: Flames or Panthers 1st Round Pick 2025

[Belial]

Those players would help them at least be a bubble team short term Or get into the playoffs. But if they sell off other players, they should finish bottom 10.

I see them in 2025 as either bottom 10, a bubble team, or just getting into the playoffs, depending on the moves they make with all these vets that want out.

They're in the worst position ever IMO, they'll be in that bubble discussion for the foreseeable future.

Draft around 15-20, maybe make the PO maybe not...

 

[26Mats]

They're in the worst position ever IMO, they'll be in that bubble discussion for the foreseeable future.

Draft around 15-20, maybe make the PO maybe not...

They won't be bubble if they trade all these players that want out for futures: Toffoli, Lindholm, Backlund, Hanafin.

And they can trade more as they play well.

If they want they can get to bottom 10 and do a rebuild by 2025, which is bad for us. But it's what their fans want.

Huberdeau is untradeable now. But if he has a point per game season next year, they can trade him, especially if they retain, likecthe Sharks will probably do with Karlsson.

 

[Belial]

They won't be bubble if they trade all these players that want out for futures: Toffoli, Lindholm, Backlund, Hanafin.

And they can trade more as they play well.

If they want they can get to bottom 10 and do a rebuild by 2025, which is bad for us. But it's what their fans want.

Huberdeau is untradeable now. But if he has a point per game season next year, they can trade him, especially if they retain, likecthe Sharks will probably do with Karlsson.

The majority of teams that are contending are already at the max of their cap and the teams that are rebuilding don't need those guys so good luck getting a good value in those trades.

 

[26Mats]

The majority of teams that are contending are already at the max of their cap and the teams that are rebuilding don't need those guys so good luck getting a good value in those trades.

Toffoli had 34 goals and 73 points and is on a low cap hit. He can easily be traded. Lindholm too. Backlund is 34 and not worth much.

 

[Belial]

Toffoli had 34 goals and 73 points and is on a low cap hit. He can easily be traded. Lindholm too. Backlund is 34 and not worth much.

Yeah but when they know you're trading because you are forced to trade, teams will take advantage of the bad situation...

 

[BenchBrawl]

Didn't we learn anything from the Florida pick?

The jinx of the gods is without mercy.

 

[26Mats]

Yeah but when they know you're trading because you are forced to trade, teams will take advantage of the bad situation...

True, but teams usually get something pretty good for rentals. Toffoli at 50% retained should get a 1st and a prospect. Lindholm should get a good haul. I don't know about hanafin.

If KH can turn Petry into Matheson, anything is possible!

 

[Belial]

If KH can turn Petry into Matheson, anything is possible!

Petry and a first-round pick you mean! right?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Haven't we learned from the Florida pick thread?

 

[Belial]

Haven't we learned from the Florida pick thread?

 

[26Mats]

Didn't we learn anything from the Florida pick?

The jinx of the gods is without mercy.

Haven't we learned from the Florida pick thread?

We have no control over where the pick will land. None whatsoever, as much as we'd like to think otherwise.

Discuss away...

 

[Justin11]

I’m certainly not holding my breath and I’m definitely not staying up late watching Flames games.

 

[HuGort]

4 players from the Calgary Flames want out and wont extend, Lindholm, Hanifin, Backlund and now Toffoli

https://www.tvasports.ca/2023/06/22/toffoli-ne-veut-plus-rester-a-calgary-lui-non-plus

That 1st we got in the Monahan deal taste better and better...

Flames pick is protected I think.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Flames pick is protected I think.

It has several conditions that's hard to explain. But make no mistake, Flames are not trending good and they are tracking rebuild. This is good news, not bad. No need for others to belittle anybody for pointing that out. How it actually plays out is anybody's guess.

Just cause the Canes pick and the Panthers pick didn't go as well as we would have liked or talked about, it don't mean the Flames pick will be the exact same. It's a guessing game and just conversations.

 

[yianik]

Lol, I love us. This is 3 drafts away.

 

[FrankMTL]

Well since this is potentially only in 2025, we would need to get an extra 1st round pick in 2024. Having only one first pick sucks. Luckily we have another shot at trading some of our best trade assets/rentals in Edmundson and Monahan in 2023-2024

But yes, best case scenario is we get the Flames pick between say, 11-15 in 2025.

 

[Garnet76]

Isn't there a component of that deal that extends into 2026 pick?

 

[Tuggy]

Lol, I love us. This is 3 drafts away.

Should be on part 237 by then.

 

[WinterLion]

Lol, I love us. This is 3 drafts away.

The guy we take is a bust.


From future self.

 

[waitin425]

Reading all the Flames want out threads......

 

[Lshap]

Isn't there a component of that deal that extends into 2026 pick?

Yes, our arguing.

 

[yianik]

Should be on part 237 by then.

Yep, at the very least

The guy we take is a bust.


From future self.

We are predictable

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

With our luck, they may win the Stanley Cup that year...

Florida and Calgary need to suck hard...

 

[Seb]

I'm ready for this pick to be the Panthers one in the late 20s in 2025.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

The majority of teams that are contending are already at the max of their cap and the teams that are rebuilding don't need those guys so good luck getting a good value in those trades.

A lot of the contending teams also don't have many assets left, like Colorado has their 2023 1st & that's about it.

TB practically traded their entire 2023 draft picks.

Ditto Boston.

None of these teams have any cap room, and probably need to move money too.

Washington is in the same pickle with Kuznetsov.

Where are all these players going?

Detroit, Buffalo & Ottawa should be able to make improvements this year if they want, but teams are not going to get what they think they will.

Carolina & Seattle have cap space too. In Carolina's case, their entire forward core is going into the final year of their contracts with the exception of Svechnikov & Kotkaniemi. Same with their D.