Confirmed Trade: [FLA/MTL] Ben Chiarot (50%) for 2023 1st round pick, 2022 4th round pick, and Ty Smilanic

[RationalExpectations]

… but the ppg centre isn’t alone?

17-19, No they didn’t. And certainly some validity to your argument, but Kuch Vas and Hedman are more crucial to them winning than the journeymen. You need them too but they’re not as crucial is my point.

I disagree with that, in a team s sport, every player is crucial. The thing is it is easier to find a 4th liner doing his job than an elite 1C of course. But you need both and if you think a given 4th liner or bottom D is the key between winning and not winning, of course you re going to spend a 1st on him.

 

[Rubi]

Glad to see him go to Florida. I was afraid that Calgary would overpay for him

 

[Oddbob]

Seems like a lot for Ben Chiarot. I like him and the way he plays, but just seems like a high price.

 

[savebyrichter94]

Or Eklund is Friedman

Finkle is Einhorn!

 

[Holymakinaw]

LOL. Jesus, Florida, what are you doing? That's a brutal overpay.

 

[The90]

I disagree with that, in a team s sport, every player is crucial. The thing is it is easier to find a 4th liner doing his job than an elite 1C of course. But you need both and if you think a given 4th liner or bottom D is the key between winning and not winning, of course you re going to spend a 1st on him.

So the first liners are worth the same as fourth liners? Makes sense the guy with 10-12 minutes should valued the same as 20-30 minute guys. I didn’t say you didn’t need both, they both have their place, but in my opinion they paid too much for a bottom pairing d man. That’s it. Seems to be a pretty common sentiment of lots of fans from many teams. It shouldn’t be this upsetting to you, you got a nice return.

 

[General Fanager]

Its Florida good luck on it turning into a lottery pick lol

extreme long shot for sure but any team is a few injuries away from having a season go south. Lottery maybe not but late teens or early 20s instead of late 1st rounder is for sure possible.

 

[RationalExpectations]

So the first liners are worth the same as fourth liners? Makes sense the guy with 10-12 minutes should valued the same as 20-30 minute guys. I didn’t say you didn’t need both, they both have their place, but in my opinion they paid too much for a bottom pairing d man. That’s it. Seems to be a pretty common sentiment of lots of fans from many teams. It shouldn’t be this upsetting to you, you got a nice return.

I am not upset and I did not say they have the same worth. Their worth is different because the distribution or players is skewed : you have very few 1C but a lot of 4C so of course in terms of supply vs demand, a 1C will be worth more

 

[Habs Icing]

I’ll eat crow in the fact that I said he wasn’t worth a first and wouldn’t get it.

But the rest of what you’re saying is garbage. Nobody is saying he doesn’t belong in the NHL and nobody is hating on him. Pretty near everyone I see (obviously a few outliers) is saying they don’t agree on the price and that it’s too much for a bottom pairing defensemen. If Florida wins, it’s because they have the talent to win, not because of Ben Chiarot on the third pairing. For me personally, I’d sooner trade a piece or 2 more for Chychrun someone, with term, who plays with the puck instead of chasing it, than spending 3 assets on Chiarot. There’s no need for you to be upset now brother, you got what you wanted in a really nice return.

You better get used to the taste of crow. In a couple of months you're gonna have to eat some more. Chiarot is not a bottom pairing d-man. He's a very good 2nd pairing defenceman who can fill in on the top line.

 

[Goal Caufield50]

Never been impressed by chiarot

Who cares w you think?

 

[The90]

You better get used to the taste of crow. In a couple of months you're gonna have to eat some more. Chiarot is not a bottom pairing d-man. He's a very good 2nd pairing defenceman who can fill in on the top line.

Lol. Sounds good.

 

[Goal Caufield50]

Chariot is going to fetch more than Giroux.

Gm's are so dumb

Doubt that al he does make $8m so that is always an issue

 

[AvroArrow]

Damn, bit of a steep price but no doubt Florida is a better team today because of it. As a rival team I don't like it, he was extremely frustrating to play against last year. Good add for Florida, they're going all in for the cup. Great trade by Montreal as well, unprotected 1st next year +

 

[AndyRay]

… but the ppg centre isn’t alone?

17-19, No they didn’t. And certainly some validity to your argument, but Kuch Vas and Hedman are more crucial to them winning than the journeymen. You need them too but they’re not as crucial is my point.

Agree for Hedman and Vas, first Dman and good goalies are crucial but I'm not for Kucherov. The Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow line played a bigger role in the final last year than Kucherov. Coleman made points in game 1,2,3,4. Kucherov made points in game 1 and 3 only. Colton score the only goal in the last game. None of Coleman, Gourde and Goodrow are with Tampa anymore so I think we will see all the importance this line had in the last Stanley Cup won by Tampa. I'm not sure they beat the panthers this year if Tampa dosen't make trade for the bottom 6.

 

[The90]

Agree for Hedman and Vas, first Dman and good goalies are crucial but I'm not for Kucherov. The Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow line played a bigger role in the final last year than Kucherov. Coleman made points in game 1,2,3,4. Kucherov made points in game 1 and 3 only. Colton score the only goal in the last game. None of Coleman, Gourde and Goodrow are with Tampa anymore so I think we will see all the importance this line had in the last Stanley Cup won by Tampa. I'm not sure they beat the panthers this year if Tampa dosen't make trade for the bottom 6.

Fair point. Did Tampa not pay less for them than Chiarot? First and mid round pick maybe?

 

[bobholly39]

I know I'm going to get criticized for flaming the Panthers again but....

Here's a team who:

- Hasn't won a playoff round in 25 years
- Has a lot of uncertainty in their goaltending position. Bob was horrible for 2 years, decent this year but we'll see come playoffs. Knight promising, but still not doing as great at NHL level
- Plays in the extremely competitive Atlantic division

I think there's a very good chance Florida has another very strong regular season again next year, but it's also quite possible they don't. Top regular season teams often come crashing down the following year.

Unprotected 1st round pick in 2023? As a Habs fan, I love it. It'll probably simply be a low first rounder, but not impossible it could be eligible for the draft lottery and be quite a bit higher.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Doubt that al he does make $8m so that is always an issue

Agreed. I said it for weeks. Manson and Chiarot were the two best targets due to being able to play 20+ min a game and what their cap hits are after 50% retention.

Fans think you can easily fit in $5M+ contracts even after being prorated. There is simply not that much cap space for the contenders. I do think the Avs will figure out a way to get Giroux though. Going to need a 3rd team to retain 50%.

 

[The Management]

I said he'd fetch a first. Chiarot is the type of player teams like to acquire for a playoff run.

I also said I don't think he's worth a first round pick. I'm sure he'll look good on Florida, though.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Agree for Hedman and Vas, first Dman and good goalies are crucial but I'm not for Kucherov. The Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow line played a bigger role in the final last year than Kucherov. Coleman made points in game 1,2,3,4. Kucherov made points in game 1 and 3 only. Colton score the only goal in the last game. None of Coleman, Gourde and Goodrow are with Tampa anymore so I think we will see all the importance this line had in the last Stanley Cup won by Tampa. I'm not sure they beat the panthers this year if Tampa dosen't make trade for the bottom 6.

Good context. Remember when Point was on a tear as well as their deadly PP? Well all that stopped against the Habs and Tampa's depth, defense, and goaltending beat us. Not their offense. Offense is very important but so is defense and goaltending.

Price, Habs top 4D (which included Chiarot), Danault. Backbone to how that Habs went on that run.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I said he'd fetch a first. Chiarot is the type of player teams like to acquire for a playoff run.

I also said I don't think he's worth a first round pick. I'm sure he'll look good on Florida, though.

I don't think what a player is worth matters at the deadline. It's basically a war on your ability to get the target you want based on how your GM feels about your playoff chances.

Take away Chiarot's playoffs (due to Covid haha) and there is probably less teams interested. Might have ended up similar to the Manson trade.

 

[Laus723]

I know I'm going to get criticized for flaming the Panthers again but....

Here's a team who:

- Hasn't won a playoff round in 25 years
- Has a lot of uncertainty in their goaltending position. Bob was horrible for 2 years, decent this year but we'll see come playoffs. Knight promising, but still not doing as great at NHL level
- Plays in the extremely competitive Atlantic division

I think there's a very good chance Florida has another very strong regular season again next year, but it's also quite possible they don't. Top regular season teams often come crashing down the following year.

Unprotected 1st round pick in 2023? As a Habs fan, I love it. It'll probably simply be a low first rounder, but not impossible it could be eligible for the draft lottery and be quite a bit higher.

Lmao, it’ll be a very high pick next year.

 

[bobholly39]

Lmao, it’ll be a very high pick next year.

You mean low pick.

And - probably. But Sens thought so too when they traded for Duchene, near top of standings, a year after takings Pens to game 7 OT in the ECF...I'm just saying, these things can be unpredictable at times.

As a Habs fan, I love that the pick is unprotected
If I were a Panther fan - I'd be pissed it was unprotected

 

[Gaud]

I am happy about this trade for both sides. That florida D looks great with Chiarot in the 3rd pairing. For Mtl, it clears up cap space - we didnt take a contract in return, so after this year, that 50% retaining is gone. Additionally, a first in 2023 is awesome! I doubt florida ends up in the bottom 10, but that is still great!

I thought he was worth around a first, but i thought he would actually fetch a few assets worth a first total. Gotta admit i had a feeling of satisaction at the thought that some folks thought it would be impossible for Chiarot to fetch a 1st, being worth less than a 2nd and that he ended up getting closer to both put together.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

So where are all the experts saying Chiarot isn't getting a 1st back? lol

Laughing at Florida for paying that

 

[Yackiberg8]

What does it mean mostly ? You win or you don't !

That s a great thing have a PPG 1C alone, ask BUF, ask VGK if they are better for sure with Eichel right now than they were.

I am not sure if you are trolling or not. In 2017/2018/2019 they already had Stamkos, Kucherov, Vasi, Hedman they did not win.

Checkmate.

In hockey there are many players on a team who contribute to whether the team wins or loses. He was asking if you thought Vasi, Hedman, Kuch or Coleman and Savard contributed more to the team winning. Really not very complicated.