more likely than not the leafs will be out in the first round when they play tampa and it’ll be the battle of florida in 2nd round
Confirmed Trade: [FLA/MTL] Ben Chiarot (50%) for 2023 1st round pick, 2022 4th round pick, and Ty Smilanic
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Cmon, what does them not winning a round in 25 years, have to do with this season? That reasoning is so played out. Were any of the current players there back then? Some of them werent even born. You are talking about an organization that wasnt really too keen on winning the Cup until Viola took over. And even then, there were growing pains. Since Zito has taken over, he turned over nearly 70% of the roster, and in two seasons, created a team that Florida hasnt had in its 29 year existence.
They've been on an upward trajectory since the play-in season, the season before Zito took over. Last playoffs, they played Tampa well, without their top Dman, and improved the team in the offseason by adding Reinhart, and re-signing their players to extremely fair deals. They are the deepest and best scoring team in the league, one of the best puck possession teams in the league, and their transition game is top notch. They are physical and skilled everywhere. Their 3rd line would be 2nd lines on some teams, maybe even 1st lines, and the 4th/5th lines would be 3rd lines elsewhere as well. This isnt the old Panthers team that relied on unsustainable, long winning streaks in March, just to get back in to the playoff picture, they are a top 2/3 team in the league for a reason. This seems like the same conversation we were having in the off-season, when you kept saying the Habs were a better team. There is no reason for them to come crashing down, because for two seasons now, this team is trending upward.
And Bob hasnt been decent this year, he has been great. The kid also. They do not need either one to be Price, because while the playoffs are much tighter, this team is still going to score goals. Chiarot adds an element that the team was lacking on the blueline, someone who can clear the crease, and bring some defensive stability in their own zone. We have no need for him to score, or carry the puck out. Play defense, and clear the puck, thats all we need from him. You saw how important he was to the Habs last playoffs.
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Yeah, I agree, value doesn't exist in a vacuum. Depth defenseman with an edge who looked good in the playoffs last year, that's why I figured someone would pay up. Good return for Montreal.
Yes. Low pick, just woke up and was scanning all the chaos in this thread, but I stopped at that post.
Whilst I agree anything can happen, I don’t see it with this team. Far too many players who play well together, they’ve done well the past few seasons despite the goaltending, they’ve removed the guys who created the mess in front of the goalies, and Zito continues to improve the blue line.
There’s also teams who’ve done remarkable for years. This team is set up for success, not sure what happened in ottawa, but it would mean everyone who’s still signed just falls apart. I don’t see it.
Why? There’s 50% retention, that’s not cheap. I don’t get it.
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Better than what I thought we would get. I was thinking two 2nd's and a B+ prospect. But yeah, there was just too much interest so someone had to pay more than the other to get him.
Something tells me the Habs were even asking for higher than that. Panthers likely offered the unprotected 1st to get it done.
I don't think I ever said the Habs were a better team in the off-season - what I said was I wasn't as convinced as everyone Florida would be a top team. Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't, but I just wasn't convinced. I said the same thing about the Flyers for what it's worth, with many fans certain they'd be a top team. Clearly, I was right to doubt Philly - and Florida instead proved to me they're a great team. It's not that I expected Florida to suck per se - I just wanted to see them as a top team for more than just one year before I start believing they can consistently do so.
So going into next season - barring any huge change - I would change my tune and say I fully expect Florida to be a top team in the regular season since it's now 2 years in a row they perform really well. Playoffs? Well, still not convinced, but we'll see what happens.
But - that changes nothing to my last post about the unprotected first round pick. I could be making that post about Florida, Tampa, Colorado, etc.
Unprotected first round pick, vs protected? Seems like an unnecessary risk for you guys - and one that I love as a Habs fan.
Everyone expected NYI to be a top contender this year - and they're way out of playoffs. If they had traded their unprotected first round pick last year, it would be pretty crappy for them for this draft. Vegas? Vegas is currently out of the playoffs too - if they had traded their unprotected first round pick, I'd be pretty excited as the team who owns it. Florida will probably be a top team next year, but it's possible they aren't.
Luigi Habs
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Congrat Panthers fans, you got yourself a Playoffs warrior. Every team needs this type of defenseman if they wish to go far in the playoffs.
You're probably right.
But NYI fans last year probably said the same going into this season. Or Vegas fans - before/during/after the Eichel acquisition seemed unstoppable at top of the Pacific - and look at them now, currently out of playoff spot.
All I'm saying is, anything is possible. I'm very happy with a first round pick for Chiarot as a Habs fan. The unprotected is just a nice extra bonus, just in case, is all.
First, I dont care about the pick being unprotected. I fully expect them to be where they have been the last seasons, which is near the top of the league. Sure, injuries could happen (knock on wood), but its not expected. Other teams go seasons being successful, why does that have to change for the Panthers? They are talented, love being around each other, well coached, well managed, and have an owner willing to do whatever it takes to win.
Second, Florida is not Vegas, or the Islanders for that matter. I had the Islanders in the playoffs, but not ahead of the Islanders, as many predicted. I knew the depth would be near the top of the league, the defense was good, and I expected Bob to be better as well. And they dont operate like Vegas does. Vegas has a worse future than the Panthers do IMO.
You have a point, you’re right about Vegas and NYI and Ottawa, I guess as a fan I’m seeing this team finally pushing to be Detroit in their heyday, Pittsburgh, etc. obviously easier said/hoped for than done.
It was Coleman Vs Nolan Foote + 2020 1st round pick and Goodrow vs 2020 1st round pick+ Anthony Greco. Tampa pay more for Coleman and less for Goodrow than Florida pay for Chiarot.
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He's a good player, people are trolls because he's not a 5'10 puck moving dynamo
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Can’t see that not being a 28-32 pick next year. How’s your cap situation next year are you losing much?
In a vacuum perhaps but with their window open and most serious missing piece being physical, puck battle winning D who has proven track record in playoffs I don't think so
The first rounder is for the 23 draft which looks loaded at the top so that's a win for the Habs.
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But...but...guys...right here....it says it right here! *snort* according to my WAR charts a chitter like Ben Chiarot would never return a first!!!!
Man i'm such a hockey savant NHL GM's are so dumb hurr durr
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Tight, the big chunk that’s there due to the Yandle buyout kicks in and so does Barkov’s new deal, so I doubt we re-sign him, but Zito has surprised before.
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You have a point but i am not conviced that after 82 games he will be as physical as he was last year in the playoffs. He has been overplayed in a not that good team. For the playoffs , Habs were in a weak division. So maybe he is a bit overevalueted ? The Opposition will be harsher for Panthers this year... I dunno , i doubt . Anyway, this said, i hope i am wrong and that he will bring to Panthers what Panthers need
Chiarot is just a "good depth D" is just plain wrong.
He's a top4 D right now on almost all teams (may be a matter of choice for a few teams).
Montreal fans knew all along he was worth a 1st.
I'll give Chiarot 2 weeks to settle in, but by mid april at worst, florida fans will join the bangwagon and will be telling the non-believers he was well worth a 1st.
He's big, he's fast, he can handle lots of minutes. Heck he was pressuring the D in the offensive zone last week 3 on 3 after 27 minutes of icetime.
Overrated ? you mean big time underrated Defenseman at this point.
He's a top4 D right now on almost all teams (may be a matter of choice for a few teams).
Montreal fans knew all along he was worth a 1st.
I'll give Chiarot 2 weeks to settle in, but by mid april at worst, florida fans will join the bangwagon and will be telling the non-believers he was well worth a 1st.
He's big, he's fast, he can handle lots of minutes. Heck he was pressuring the D in the offensive zone last week 3 on 3 after 27 minutes of icetime.
Overrated ? you mean big time underrated Defenseman at this point.
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