Haven’t seen anyone make this argument so it’s odd for you to counter it. Of course this is fine this year. But trades are judged on their entire butterfly effect. Not one game, not one series. If Florida wins a cup this year you can probably hand wave any future negatives of the fallout of this trade, but them winning a cup this year isn’t likely. We’ll see.
Confirmed Trade: [FLA/CHI] Seth Jones (26.3% retained; $7M AAV) and 2026 4th round pick for Spencer Knight and 2026 1st round pick
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The bottom line is Florida is now a better team then they were previous to this trade....and they were already a team that was and is a cup favorite....assuming they get Matthew back for the playoffs, they will be a strong favorite to repeat.
This is a HORRIBLE trade for Chicago. Kyle Davidson needs to be ousted this offseason.
MichaelFarrell
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People are praising Chicago for their return on Jones. But, does this make them a better team in the long-run? If not, how was that a good return? They also paid two high first round picks to get Jones in the first place.
Chicago gets potentially nothing. A late first round pick 1-2 years from now and a goalie that might be decent.
Chicago needs goaltending for sure. (They foolishly passed on Trey Augustine in favor of Adam Gajan btw). But, Knight is a wildcard.
They also need depth on defense. Was Jones worth 9.5? No. But who else was going to get that money on Chicago’s roster? The guy is playing 24 hard minutes a night. Chicago has nobody to replace him.
Chicago gets potentially nothing. A late first round pick 1-2 years from now and a goalie that might be decent.
Chicago needs goaltending for sure. (They foolishly passed on Trey Augustine in favor of Adam Gajan btw). But, Knight is a wildcard.
They also need depth on defense. Was Jones worth 9.5? No. But who else was going to get that money on Chicago’s roster? The guy is playing 24 hard minutes a night. Chicago has nobody to replace him.
I’d like to hear one good decision he has made. He’s been brutal.
They got a great goalie prospect and a first for a dude a lot of pelple were saying was untradable
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What gives you the indication that he’s declining and will be terrible at 33 years old? He was on a poorly run and overall horrible team for several years. In the new cap, $7 million is an extremely manageable cap hit. If they are still competitive, they will have no problem moving that salary if they have to.
Jones fixes a lot of problems just by existing. At his worst, he's still a #3/4 and a significant improvement over Mikkola, Kulikov, Schmidt, and Balinskis.
Enough with the hyperbole. People said the contract would be unmovable without retention. Chicago had to retain 12.5M
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Please do not impugn Niko McMikkola in this fashion.
Mikkola is phenomenal. I doubt Jones is better than him defensively and if he is, then the league is f***ed.
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Im in Australia and just got back from a day of diving. But I had to jump online to weigh in on the biggest news of the weekend.
John Cena finally turned heel! Wrestlemania is going to be EPIC!
Oh… and the Seth Jones trade is… fine.
John Cena finally turned heel! Wrestlemania is going to be EPIC!
Oh… and the Seth Jones trade is… fine.
Dread Clawz
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And you'll be proven wrong.
They weren't good until 2007-08 and were irrelevant by 2021-22. That's 15 years if you're being generous.
Dread Clawz
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Jones will never have to carry the load in Florida. Forsling is far better than him, and even if Ekblad isn't re-signed, Mikkola is also an excellent defensive D. Jones is going to the perfect situation for him.
Chicago win if Knight will become our starting goalie or Jones falls of the cliff in few year's. Retaining for 5 year's is bad if we are sellers in the future.
Dread Clawz
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Not defensively, although the potential is there. But I doubt he'll ever block shots or be a board monster like Mikkola.
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There's certainly risk involved for Florida, but it seems like a pretty tidy piece of business on the surface at least. Really shores up their Top-4D, basically replacing Montour for the time being...and gives them a lot more fallback plan "leverage" if/when it comes down to either getting a team-friendly deal done, or letting Ekblad walk. With a viable replacement in house now. Florida and that system has also been magical in rehabilitating lost souls on the blueline, and Seth Jones isn't even that far gone i don't think...if he's engaged with an actually serious, competitive team.
Getting that retention is big for Florida. Bringing his cap number down to ~$7M isn't really out of line with what is still at least a decent Top-3D and RHD with size to boot. Not with where the cap is about to go and the way salaries are probably about to explode.
But i look at it in some capacity at least, as almost more retention than that, because of the oversized cap allocation to Spencer Knight's contract going the other way as well. I'm not really sure what to make of his ups and downs, but at the core of it...$4.5M was simply too much to be allocating to a backup goaltender who wasn't really anything special, when your clear starter is already on an enormous contract. Could work out alright for Chicago if he gives them stable goaltending, but there's a fairly substantial commitment to a guy who has been pretty up and down...and i'm not sure that Chicago's trainwreck team defence is really the place to thrive for a young, inconsistent goaltender. In any case, i'm sure Florida will be able to replace that roster spot with something decent enough, for a fair bit less cost on the cap...which acts as a bit of a multiplier to the cap savings on Jones in "money in - money out" terms.
For Chicago...i'm not really sure how this makes them a "better team". But it had become pretty clear that at some point, Seth was going to become a detriment or distraction in the locker room. Clearly wasn't happy there, and that can be contagious. Especially when it comes to a big dollar veteran who is going to be looked to for "leadership". So just getting out from that is probably a small "win" even if it doesn't make the team better. To get even a likely late 1st in a year or two, is still not bad even though it's largely for eating a significant cap hit for a bunch more years. Plus there's Knight, and who knows if that works out...but Chicago are at least in a position to find out, and don't really have any other apparent options at the moment.
Getting that retention is big for Florida. Bringing his cap number down to ~$7M isn't really out of line with what is still at least a decent Top-3D and RHD with size to boot. Not with where the cap is about to go and the way salaries are probably about to explode.
But i look at it in some capacity at least, as almost more retention than that, because of the oversized cap allocation to Spencer Knight's contract going the other way as well. I'm not really sure what to make of his ups and downs, but at the core of it...$4.5M was simply too much to be allocating to a backup goaltender who wasn't really anything special, when your clear starter is already on an enormous contract. Could work out alright for Chicago if he gives them stable goaltending, but there's a fairly substantial commitment to a guy who has been pretty up and down...and i'm not sure that Chicago's trainwreck team defence is really the place to thrive for a young, inconsistent goaltender. In any case, i'm sure Florida will be able to replace that roster spot with something decent enough, for a fair bit less cost on the cap...which acts as a bit of a multiplier to the cap savings on Jones in "money in - money out" terms.
For Chicago...i'm not really sure how this makes them a "better team". But it had become pretty clear that at some point, Seth was going to become a detriment or distraction in the locker room. Clearly wasn't happy there, and that can be contagious. Especially when it comes to a big dollar veteran who is going to be looked to for "leadership". So just getting out from that is probably a small "win" even if it doesn't make the team better. To get even a likely late 1st in a year or two, is still not bad even though it's largely for eating a significant cap hit for a bunch more years. Plus there's Knight, and who knows if that works out...but Chicago are at least in a position to find out, and don't really have any other apparent options at the moment.
Dread Clawz
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Dread Clawz
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That's what we needed, A right-hand PMD , and the size is a plus. I also think his defense will be pretty good in Florida.
Yea as a Hawks fan, the board genuinely has despised him for a while and for a reason. Our team actually plays better without him in the lineup (as good as we possibly play with the roster we have). To his core he struggles with decision making all over the ice and is often more of a net negative than you would imagine.
A lot of this just boils down to whether or complacency was what was holding him back and being on a team that holds him more accountable can change that. If not, I think he’s a second pairing on a contender who’s prone to brain farts.
A lot of this just boils down to whether or complacency was what was holding him back and being on a team that holds him more accountable can change that. If not, I think he’s a second pairing on a contender who’s prone to brain farts.
Zito was part of the FO that brought Jones to Columbus from Nashville. You can bet that he looked at the way Jones was playing in Chicago and thought that Jones was just mentally checked out of the situation. He knows Jones can do better than that.
As an Oilers fan, I'd kill for a GM like Zito.
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With Floridas core their window really is the next 3 years and good for them for going all in
East is weak
BB88
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Have to respect Zito for trying to get the max out of the core
With all of Barkov/Forlsing/Reinhart/Bennett/Verhaeghe around 30 this gives them a chance at another 2-3 good runs, right now Jones makes a bigger impact than a back up goalie
And they’ll have like 20million in cap space next year to go shopping for another goalie
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