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Confirmed Trade: [FLA/CGY] Matthew Tkachuk, c. 2025 4th for Jonathan Huberdeau, MacKenzie Weegar, Cole Schwindt, c. 2025 1st

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People do realize that Matthew Tkachuk had just 14 hits in 12 playoff games right? For context Huberdeau had 27 in 10. Huberdeau also had more hits in the regular season than Tkachuk did as well.

Tkachuk is at his best when he IS NOT playing with reckless abandon and focuses on his skill game, and we saw Sutter wean that out of his game. In that regard Tkachuk and Huberdeau provide similar things with Huberdeau being the superior playmaker, and Tkachuk the better goalscorer. Tkachuk is an elite talent from the hashmarks in, while Huberdeau has more of a tendency to create from the half wall and off the rush. Both are extremely effective at what they do, and neither skillset should be discredited for what they can and can't provide.

I also think Huberdeau will grow immensely as a player under Sutter and in a new role. To say that he can't continue to develop as a player because he's 29 is disingenuous. We saw Gaudreau take massive steps last season.
 
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Haatley said:
That's great. Reinhart is nowhere near the play driver or point producer Huberdeau is.

Barkov and Tkachuk might not develop chemistry. There are no sure things. Especially when you don't have a great winger to play on Barkov's other side. Or the Sutter system.
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While Reinhart is not as good as Huberdeau the downgrade is not as severe as you think.
 
Haatley said:
That's great. Reinhart is nowhere near the play driver or point producer Huberdeau is.

Barkov and Tkachuk might not develop chemistry. There are no sure things. Especially when you don't have a great winger to play on Barkov's other side. Or the Sutter system.
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Reinhart had like 70 points in his last 56 games with the Panthers, after he started getting accustom to the team, and that was while he was playing on the 3rd line with a rookie center. He’s not Huberdeau, but he is an excellent playmaker, and finisher around the net.

And Barkov’s other winger is Verhaeghe, so I don’t know what you’re talking about not having another great winger on his other side. He’s not a ppg player, but if you’ve watched any of his play the last two seasons, he is a very good player. Man you guys really should watch more games of other teams, before trying to come across as experts.

HighLifeMan said:
People do realize that Matthew Tkachuk had just 14 hits in 12 playoff games right? For context Huberdeau had 27 in 10. Huberdeau also had more hits in the regular season than Tkachuk did as well.

Tkachuk is at his best when he IS NOT playing with reckless abandon and focuses on his skill game, and we saw Sutter wean that out of his game. In that regard Tkachuk and Huberdeau provide similar things with Huberdeau being the superior playmaker, and Tkachuk the better goalscorer. Tkachuk is an elite talent from the hashmarks in, while Huberdeau has more of a tendency to create from the half wall and off the rush. Both are extremely effective at what they do, and neither skillset should be discredited for what they can and can't provide.

I also think Huberdeau will grow immensely as a player under Sutter and in a new role. To say that he can't continue to develop as a player because he's 29 is disingenuous. We saw Gaudreau take massive steps last season.
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Tell me you haven’t watched the Panthers player, without telling me you have t watched the Panthers play. Once again, another post where Tkatchuk apparently has plateaued, while Huberdeau has another gear in him. Watch out McDavid.
 
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FinlandPanther said:
You guys are insufferable lol. We’ll see next season how things play out. Bennett already proves you guys wrong. 2/2 incoming.
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What? Many Flames fans were livid when that trade went down. It was more, "Dammit you got a good one. I would have loved to keep him!" vs "Lulz. Overpaid for a bust." I mean... perhaps there were warnings that Bennett was inconsistent, but most Flames fans had faith in Bennett to find his game or at least be a solid bottom 9 player at worst.

I and a few other Flames fans feel that the trade benefits both teams and all players will fit well with their new teams. The projections we might feel are overstated, but overall the fits and roster rejuggling should be fine for both teams. You're getting bent out of shape on a vocal opinion from someone from our fanbase. Not everyone shares that opinion. Most likely are somewhere in between both of your opinions but leaning more towards your opinion.

No need to broad brush us all. And you're mistaking concerns and warnings from Flames fans as rooting for the player to fail. Yeah, I get that it sucks to have someone rain on your optimism, but it's not rooting for failure.
 
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Tell me you haven’t watched the Panthers player, without telling me you have t watched the Panthers play. Once again, another post where Tkatchuk apparently has plateaued, while Huberdeau has another gear in him. Watch out McDavid.
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Huh? How exactly did you draw that conclusion from my post..

I praised Tkachuk - stating he was an elite talent and that's he's extremely effective at what he does especially when he's not chasing the game around trying to make a difference with his antics.
 
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Reinhart had like 70 points in his last 56 games with the Panthers, after he started getting accustom to the team, and that was while he was playing on the 3rd line with a rookie center. He’s not Huberdeau, but he is an excellent playmaker, and finisher around the net.

And Barkov’s other winger is Verhaeghe, so I don’t know what you’re talking about not having another great winger on his other side. He’s not a ppg player, but if you’ve watched any of his play the last two seasons, he is a very good player. Man you guys really should watch more games of other teams, before trying to come across as experts.



Tell me you haven’t watched the Panthers player, without telling me you have t watched the Panthers play. Once again, another post where Tkatchuk apparently has plateaued, while Huberdeau has another gear in him. Watch out McDavid.
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I have watched Verhaege since junior. He has come a long way but is not on par with Tkachuks former linemates (Lindholm and Gaudreau.)

Reinhart did not score all those points from the 3rd line. He scored a big chunk of them on the powerplay. Playing with Huberdeau.
 
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HighLifeMan said:
People do realize that Matthew Tkachuk had just 14 hits in 12 playoff games right? For context Huberdeau had 27 in 10. Huberdeau also had more hits in the regular season than Tkachuk did as well.

Tkachuk is at his best when he IS NOT playing with reckless abandon and focuses on his skill game, and we saw Sutter wean that out of his game. In that regard Tkachuk and Huberdeau provide similar things with Huberdeau being the superior playmaker, and Tkachuk the better goalscorer. Tkachuk is an elite talent from the hashmarks in, while Huberdeau has more of a tendency to create from the half wall and off the rush. Both are extremely effective at what they do, and neither skillset should be discredited for what they can and can't provide.

I also think Huberdeau will grow immensely as a player under Sutter and in a new role. To say that he can't continue to develop as a player because he's 29 is disingenuous. We saw Gaudreau take massive steps last season.
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Im not a fan of Weegar, but I think he would do fantastic in a "system" ala Sutter or Trotz. He'll play really well there. He isnt a number one I would say hes an above average number 3 that can play the role of number 2 fairly well.
 
Haatley said:
I have watched Verhaege since junior. He has come a long way but is not on par with Tkachuks former linemates (Lindholm and Gaudreau.)

Reinhart did not score all those points from the 3rd line. He scored a big chunk of them on the powerplay. Playing with Huberdeau.
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We don’t need Verhaeghe to be Lindholm or Gaudreau, he’s fine who he is, alongside Barkov and Tkatchuk. With all the talent that’s been on the Panthers the last few seasons, there is a reason why Verhaeghe is a staple on Barkov’s line, and that’s because he produces.

And Reinhart scored a whopping 10 points, combined, with Huberdeau at even strength, and a combined 29 points on the PP. Who were the top two players he scored the most even strength points with? Hmmm, Marchment and Lundell, who happened to be the other two players on our third line. Again, reading stat lines and making assumptions doesn’t make you an expert.
 
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We don’t need Verhaeghe to be Lindholm or Gaudreau, he’s fine who he is, alongside Barkov and Tkatchuk. With all the talent that’s been on the Panthers the last few seasons, there is a reason why Verhaeghe is a staple on Barkov’s line, and that’s because he produces.

And Reinhart scored a whopping 10 points, combined, with Huberdeau at even strength, and a combined 29 points on the PP. Who were the top two players he scored the most even strength points with? Hmmm, Marchment and Lundell, who happened to be the other two players on our third line. Again, reading stat lines and making assumptions doesn’t make you an expert.
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Just let them yap. They obviously killed the trade by giving us a bum.
 
InfinityIggy said:
Lmao, what?
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He says he lived in Calgary for a couple of years working in the oil industry. I suspect he spent most of his time, if what he says is true, working rigs in the middle of nowhere, pushing pipe. Coming from Nova Scotia I'm not surprised he thought the taxes were horrendous. He's probably never made that much money in his life. You don't pay a lot of taxes when you're collecting unemployment insurance or minimum wage back in Nova Scotia.
 
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Im not a fan of Weegar, but I think he would do fantastic in a "system" ala Sutter or Trotz. He'll play really well there. He isnt a number one I would say hes an above average number 3 that can play the role of number 2 fairly well.
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I suspect he'll be #4 in Calgary.
#1 Andersson
#2 Hanifin
#3 Tanev
#4 Weegar

Although those are just numbers. Sutter likes to roll his defensive pairings 5v5 and the only difference in ice time is mostly due to PP or PK duty. Weegar might be designated a 2nd pairing guy but I suspect his ice time will be right up there with Andersson's who lead the team in TOI last season.
 
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If you want to talk about a true "unicorn" in the league, Bennett is that guy. I was devastated when he was traded and still am. He is truly the last of a dying breed of hard-nosed forwards with finesse to their game.

Tkachuk is not like that and seeing Eastern media gush about him to this extent leads me to believe they slept through the first 10 years of Corey Perry and Ryan Getzlaf's careers.
 
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If you want to talk about a true "unicorn" in the league, Bennett is that guy. I was devastated when he was traded and still am. He is truly the last of a dying breed of hard-nosed forwards with finesse to their game.

Tkachuk is not like that and seeing Eastern media gush about him to this extent leads me to believe they slept through the first 10 years of Corey Perry and Ryan Getzlaf's careers.
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I like Bennett but I find him to be pretty inconsistent. He has some really nice games and then other games where he sort of disappears I think his size hampers him a bit at times. When hes on his game he is a nice player to have on your team. I somewhat dislike him as a center, he isnt great defensively he is ok not great. And he doesnt pass much, sometimes he makes low IQ plays. I think at the price point we have him at hes a steal and overall its a great trade for us. But I think he has quite a few kinks to his game that he can improve on.
 
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I was halfway through writing a big response like this but figured why bother? I mean, have you ever heard anyone working in the oil and gas sector in Alberta refer to it as the oil industry? Thinks its so bitter cold (its canada in the winter... i mean... come on) but seems to forget Calgary's famous chinooks. Says the taxes are high yet theyre not only lowest in Canada, but beat a fair amount of the US as well. Says its a "flat wasteland" despite the fact that the city is in the foothills of the rockies... and looks it. Almost the entire western half of the city is built on a hill of some kind oh and nothing there... except the international tourist destination an hour away.

I guess I did go on a diatribe. I maintain this person has never stepped foot in this city. Cant wait for high taxes, bitter cold to be the response.
 
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HighLifeMan said:
People do realize that Matthew Tkachuk had just 14 hits in 12 playoff games right? For context Huberdeau had 27 in 10. Huberdeau also had more hits in the regular season than Tkachuk did as well.

Tkachuk is at his best when he IS NOT playing with reckless abandon and focuses on his skill game, and we saw Sutter wean that out of his game. In that regard Tkachuk and Huberdeau provide similar things with Huberdeau being the superior playmaker, and Tkachuk the better goalscorer. Tkachuk is an elite talent from the hashmarks in, while Huberdeau has more of a tendency to create from the half wall and off the rush. Both are extremely effective at what they do, and neither skillset should be discredited for what they can and can't provide.

I also think Huberdeau will grow immensely as a player under Sutter and in a new role. To say that he can't continue to develop as a player because he's 29 is disingenuous. We saw Gaudreau take massive steps last season.
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this is true, look at Patrick Kane, he started to play best hockey of his career after he turned 30
 
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