Confirmed Trade: [FLA/CGY] Matthew Tkachuk, c. 2025 4th for Jonathan Huberdeau, MacKenzie Weegar, Cole Schwindt, c. 2025 1st

[Figgy44]

We know that. He's still the Panthers' most physical forward and a great forechecker, and brings an attitude and element that we needed. This is a good move for OUR team.

IMO, on your team Tkachuk are lots of the best facets of Bennett and Lomberg combined and more but without the skating speed. Sorry, the annoyance you'll have with those guys is just as prevalent with Tkachuk, albeit probably no worse than the totals seemingly you guys had from Huberdeau?

What exactly do you think top pairing defenders are worth these days? 6.75M would be a very reasonable AAV.

7 mil was basically what many lower end 1D were making 2-3 seasons ago. To suggest that #2D are making that and more at a minimum is crazy IMO. I don't get how some posters are projecting these numbers and talking about the flat cap with a straight face. Over 7 AAV, I can't help but think the best move is to trade Weegar as a rental vs caving.

Unless 7+ mil (below 8) is the starting negotiating point and Weegar is hoping he cannot get buried if his play drops off a bit... I could see that. IMO I'm OK with Weegar starting at let's say 7.5 x 7 and hopefully we could compromise into a 8 x 6/6.5 or 6.75 x 6 range.

 

[BB88]

Agree to disagree, I think they were better off keeping Weegar, the 1st rounder and Huby.

I said long before they should never give Weegar his next contract.
The 1st was the only part of that trade I didn’t like for Florida.

Tkachuk+ 15M of cap space next summer will do wonders for their depth

His offensive production screams he had one elite year on the best line in hockey. He didn't drive that line, either. So no, it doesn't scream elite. It screams a sub PPG player who had one exceptional year lol.

It's really not, though. You're using one great year by MT and trying to put him on the same level as Marner who is in the highest tier of wingers. Mitch has years of elite production, line driving, and two-way play to justify him up there. MT doesn't and still has valid questions about whether he can repeat this. To be up there you have to show you can do it consistently.

Hell, the only way MT could've been justified into Marner's tier is if he had some amazing playoff performances that offsets the huge regular-season difference. But he doesn't have that, he's somehow worse than Mitch in the postseason lol. This isn't being a homer, it's facts. I'll argue the same if you want to put Tkachuk on the same tier as the likes of Kucherov for example

Your only case for Marner being easily better is that he’s a Leaf.

I’ve put the facts on the table.
You can ignore them if you want

 

[zombie kopitar]

the last few pages of this thread

 

[Rubi]

I don't think Florida needs him to be "that guy" they have "that guy" in the form of Aleksander Barkov.

On this line of reasoning, though, I think Flames fans need to pay a little closer attention to what Florida fans are telling them about Huberdeau. He was never "that guy" for Florida and if Flames fans expect him to be "that guy" for them, they are going to be disappointed.

Flames fans aren't expecting Huberdeau to be "that guy". They just expect Huberdeau to help them crawl out of that hole that Gaudreau left.

 

[blankall]

Flames fans aren't expecting Huberdeau to be "that guy". They just expect Huberdeau to help them crawl out of that hole that Gaudreau left.

In order for the Flames to be successful, Huberdeau will not to keep putting up the assists. Huberdeau managed to turn some pretty okay linemates into superstars in Florida. IMO Huberdeau will be getting heavy minutes and feeding pucks to not just his regular linemates, most likely Mangiapane and LIndholm, but also guys like Toffoli and Coleman.

 

[Dread Clawz]

IMO, on your team Tkachuk are lots of the best facets of Bennett and Lomberg combined and more but without the skating speed. Sorry, the annoyance you'll have with those guys is just as prevalent with Tkachuk, albeit probably no worse than the totals seemingly you guys had from Huberdeau?

Yeah, especially after losing Marchment, we needed Tkachuk. Huby is a great player, obviously, we just needed a change. We were too soft in the playoffs, and it wasn't a fringe players issue, it was a core players issue. Sometimes you gotta change up your core and make big moves if you believe it'll lead you down the path to more success.

 

[BB88]

Flames fans aren't expecting Huberdeau to be "that guy". They just expect Huberdeau to help them crawl out of that hole that Gaudreau left.

Well if he’s not the guy who will it be?

 

[YMCMBYOLO]

Well if he’s not the guy who will it be?

And what if he is, huh? Hmmm?

 

[Rubi]

Well if he’s not the guy who will it be?

Good question.. A lot of Flames fans, including me, aren't quite sure.
I mean, we're expecting Huberdeau to score a bit and assist a lot but most aren't expecting him to grab the puck in the d zone and carry it while dipsy doodling into the o zone ala Johnny Hockey. Maybe that role will fall to Elias Lindholm.. who knows. Maybe nobody will be the designated quarterback and "the guy" will vary from play to play. It may work out. Sutter is a fan of moving the puck from player to player instead of having one big carrier. He always says the puck moves faster than a skater.

 

[JP Mick]

My team is in the position it's in because of dogshit asset management, if anyone understands it's me, you again (and this is pro hockey 101) don't trade multiple 1st rounders if your not a contender and with your blue line, you are most definitely not a contender.

No team has an 8 year window, again hockey 101.

Panthers have 8 years of Barkov and Tkachuk. Lundell is on an ELC for two more years and will be a complete beast and take over 2C for years. Hopefully Reino and Bennett will stay at a reasonable rate. 15 Mill off the books next year. Knight is locked in for Bob to take over when he gets traded or bought out in a couple years. Watch some Bill Zito videos. He's very intelligent and empathetic, you may like him.

 

[leafsfan5]

I said long before they should never give Weegar his next contract.
The 1st was the only part of that trade I didn’t like for Florida.

Tkachuk+ 15M of cap space next summer will do wonders for their depth



Your only case for Marner being easily better is that he’s a Leaf.

I’ve put the facts on the table.
You can ignore them if you want

It's really not lol, my case for him being easily better is clear and has been laid out multiple times now

1.) Better and more consistent production
2.) Better 2-way player
3.) Line-driver who makes those around him a lot better
4.) Better in the playoffs

It really seems like you're the one ignoring obvious facts. And I didn't even bring up Marner, you did. If you had said Kucherov or Gaudreau or Rantanen I would have a similar viewpoint

Tkachuk is a great player but acting like he's in the upper tier is wrong

 

[HuGort]

I don't know why anybody would sign in Calgary? Horrendous taxes, bitter cold. A flat waste land. There's nothing there. It's Winnipeg west. He's going to want out of this contract before half way thru.

 

[HighLifeManIsHigh]

Yeah.. That guy is certainly not a reliable source.

I agree MonahanLifeMan!

 

[pb1300]

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Maybe its not an 8 year window, but its not unrealistic. Plenty of teams have been used as an example in a previous reply. You should look at the team more in detail before posting dumb GIFs.

 

[Rubi]

I don't know why anybody would sign in Calgary? Horrendous taxes, bitter cold. A flat waste land. There's nothing there. It's Winnipeg west. He's going to want out of this contract before half way thru.

Never been there eh?

 

[inthe6ix]

No check your source.

soon

 

[Rubi]

soon

Hopefully sooner than later. The waiting is killing me. Once Treliving gets that contract signed all that's left is Ruzicka's

 

[LMFAO]

I don't know why anybody would sign in Calgary? Horrendous taxes, bitter cold. A flat waste land. There's nothing there. It's Winnipeg west. He's going to want out of this contract before half way thru.

Alberta has lower taxes than the states of New York and California and all other Canadian provinces.

You’re clueless

 

[Banded Peak]

I don't know why anybody would sign in Calgary? Horrendous taxes, bitter cold. A flat waste land. There's nothing there. It's Winnipeg west. He's going to want out of this contract before half way thru.

Tell us youve never been there without saying youve never been there.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Maybe its not an 8 year window, but its not unrealistic. Plenty of teams have been used as an example in a previous reply. You should look at the team more in detail before posting dumb GIFs.

8 year window, that's an arbitrary number that you made up, hence the "dumb gif"

The previous reply you speak of that proved me wrong lacked context, as in I said contender, window for contention. Most of the teams mentioned had down years, which would mean their windows were not open for 8 years or even 5 years, that doesn't really happen anymore, which again, why trading away multiple 1st round picks while not being a contender is massively stupid. As a Canucks fan I know.

Your team in detail has an amazing group of forwards, a barren wasteland of a blueline other then Ekblad and a very promising goalie who hasn't proven shit at an NHL level. Sounds like a team that shouldn't be trading 1st round picks or top 4 RHD

 

[Cats2TheCup]

Florida did

Tkachuk was a secondary piece in Calgary. He did a good job supported Gaudreau. Did a good job supported Marner in junior too

When he is the main guy in his line , he was a 77 point scorer

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[Cats2TheCup]

His offensive production screams he had one elite year on the best line in hockey. He didn't drive that line, either. So no, it doesn't scream elite. It screams a sub PPG player who had one exceptional year lol.

It's really not, though. You're using one great year by MT and trying to put him on the same level as Marner who is in the highest tier of wingers. Mitch has years of elite production, line driving, and two-way play to justify him up there. MT doesn't and still has valid questions about whether he can repeat this. To be up there you have to show you can do it consistently.

Hell, the only way MT could've been justified into Marner's tier is if he had some amazing playoff performances that offsets the huge regular-season difference. But he doesn't have that, he's somehow worse than Mitch in the postseason lol. This isn't being a homer, it's facts. I'll argue the same if you want to put Tkachuk on the same tier as the likes of Kucherov for example

Hilarious. Mitch Marner cannot be compared to a Stanley Cup Champion Winger.

If Kucherov was on the Leafs, they’d at least have won a round by now.

Marner is in the same category as Tkachuk.

 

[Cats2TheCup]

We may take a step back this year, but we have over 15M of cap space next offseason. Zito will retool the D and we'll be right back to scary status. We only got screwed this summer because of Yandle's buyout.

I personally feel it's more of a 6 year window than 8 years, but it's definitely possible. Pittsburgh's window was from 2008-2017. That's 9 years. Boston was a legit contender for over a decade. San Jose for almost 15 years. Tampa has been a contender for a decade and has made three straight SCF's. Anaheim had a good run as well. Hockey 101 my tookus.


Yup, and he's got all the fancy stats to back it up

Panthers will take a step back in the regular season, but take a step forward in the playoffs.

With Weegar, it’s addition by subtraction. How many playoffs games has he cost us these past 2 seasons? 4. That’s a series.

Barkov passes to Huberdeau. Huberdeau…passes it to Barkov = longest power play drought in NHL history.

Huberdeau skillset is redundant.

Tkachuk is going to take the Panthers further than Huberdeau ever could.

 

[leafsfan5]

Hilarious. Mitch Marner cannot be compared to a Stanley Cup Champion Winger.

If Kucherov was on the Leafs, they’d at least have won a round by now.

Marner is in the same category as Tkachuk.

Kucherov is better than Marner, no doubt, but they are on the same tier. Both are top of the line wingers who can drive an entire offense

MT has no claim to be on Marner's level. There is 0 reason outside of him being a marginally better goal scorer with pest qualities

 

[pb1300]

8 year window, that's an arbitrary number that you made up, hence the "dumb gif"

The previous reply you speak of that proved me wrong lacked context, as in I said contender, window for contention. Most of the teams mentioned had down years, which would mean their windows were not open for 8 years or even 5 years, that doesn't really happen anymore, which again, why trading away multiple 1st round picks while not being a contender is massively stupid. As a Canucks fan I know.

Your team in detail has an amazing group of forwards, a barren wasteland of a blueline other then Ekblad and a very promising goalie who hasn't proven shit at an NHL level. Sounds like a team that shouldn't be trading 1st round picks or top 4 RHD

I didnt make up anything, you got the wrong poster bud.

-Florida has an amazing group of forwards, TWO top 4 Dmen, a potential top tier goalie AND Bob, who was amazing last season, for the next couple of seasons.

-The Panthers will have a lot of cap space to add to that blueline, and make adjustments to the team as a whole, starting next season.

-While I agree with the move of picks, there are prospects that are able to fill some spots in over the next few seasons, that could fill some spots and be productive.


Weegar is a 2/3, who has been a negotiation nightmare since we drafted him in the 7th round. He is not worth a Sergachev-type deal, which he is looking for. He will also be 29 when his deal kicks in. And Huberdeau, will be 30 when his deal kicks in. These are two players that were looking for big deals, who in our opinion, weren't worth it to us.

Our core is now 20-26 years in age (20,21, 23, 24, and a handful of 26s), rather than those, minus MT, and with Huberdeau and Weegar at $20 million combined per. So I believe our window has widened by this move. And lets not forget, their will be a massive bump in the cap in the next 2-3 summers, so Zito wont be limited financially for the foreseeable future.