Proposal: Fix Detroit’s depth!

[JohanFranzenstein]

The red wings had the most obnoxious fan base (aside from metro teams, canadian teams, and San Jose) for well over a decade. Nobody should be helping them fix anything.

16 out of 32 teams have the most obnoxious fanbase?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Ross Colton, Josh Manson,Miles Woods and may be Samy Girard will be avalaible this summer . What can Avs ask for this guy?

Josh Manson and Sam Girard for Compher, 2nd and Buium.

That clears about 4.4 mil in space for Colorado and gives them a 3rd line center they’re familiar with, a high 2nd and a defense prospect that has a decent chance to play. Avs can use the cap for other moves.

It gives Detroit a guy to play next to Seider and a physical vet for the 3rd pair.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Yzerman has been miserable at evaluating NHL players so until he figures that out, they will never improve their depth. He's been fine at drafting high at least.

The North American scouting in Detroit has been miserable for over a quarter century. Fun task: try to remember the last great player the Red Wings have drafted out of Canada, the single biggest talent pool in the world.

 

[Jacob]

You're supposed to fill in your depth through drafting and developing.

 

[Guitpik]

Yep can’t blame him this is his one chance to grab a big bag and choose where he goes. I fear Blake overpaying to keep him as we have nothing in the system. If he walks we will need to trade for a replacement.

Blake won’t get into a bidding war. My thought is if he hits FA, he’s gone.

 

[Guitpik]

Bucks? Like deer and shit?

Just like that

 

[Detroit Knights]

I don't think Flyers would want players back in this instance. Berggren seems like a RW (Flyers are already loaded at RW, they want to unload them), but is fairly interesting.

The rest are dumps (which are fine), but I think the asset we'd want is that pick.

York is a 24 year old top pair d-man who plays defense really well - he has offensive upside, but it's questionable how much. Him and Sanheim have some of the best advanced metrics in the league, but Torts has made him the latest example. He's solid; not big, but would be a really good complement to a guy like Seider to form a top pair anchor for years.

Risto would be great to lead a 2nd pair. Tippett is more than a 3rd line W - you need to remember, Flyers do not have a single C that's better than a 3C. They also have the the worst powerplay of the last 3 years - like so bad, they haven't scored a PPG in March.

All offensive numbers on the Flyers are quite suppressed - every single player will produce more outside of this organization.

I think we'd be fine taking salary back - but we'd want that 10-15 pick in addition to our potential top 5 to solidify our future C depth, IMO. We don't want players back - we have prospects we want to start integrating.

Just my opinion.

appreciate the response.

Makes sense about Tippett. I remember him in Florida and Florida always torches the wings whenever we play and he was no exception. Just remember one of his goals that just ripped right into the top corner one time. Our problem is our top 6 is pretty defined. There's rumormill reporting that kane is gone, so I guess that would make sense he gets into the second pairing. Our new coach likes to run the top 3 lines somewhat evenly, just depends on which one is getting the most offense that game, so yes I said 3rd line, but our 3rd and second can be interchangeable game by game lately.

Interesting for York. If he is that good why get rid of him? Just the torts factor I can only assume.

Yes, mainly cap dumps sending back to you. Honestly, idk how other wings fans feel since I have just been balls deep in work this year, so haven't spent a lot of time on the forums, but imo I am perfectly fine with getting rid of our first rounder this year and possibly next if we are pick 12+. Honestly, just feel bad for Larkin at this point and he deserves to feel some kind of success, so bringing in FA that can provide actual, tangible improvements would be helpful. When we got Compher, I know that was Yzerman trying to get over the hump and I still like him as a player, as well as Copp...others don't feel the same. Maybe adding Compher to try and help your C-depth situation could sweeten the pot a bit?

Next year is probably the shortest leash he is going to have, so (unfortunately) I feel like he is going to swing this FA period a little harder. @Petes2424 was saying Risto was a huge possibility at the trade deadline for the wings, maybe that happens this summer instead. Yzerman only eludes to things and never outright says a damn thing, but he is eluding hard that we need to get bigger and meaner. Risto just makes sense, especially since he loves trees on our d-corps. With ASP being a possibility and ALJO becoming a mainstay, that is probably enough shorties back there for him lol.

Appreciate the response! I think the Flyers and DET could be good trading partners, but we have so much deadweight that aren't really re-tradable that it's probably tough lol. Yzerman likes to keep his 1st rounders and I can't blame him since he is pretty damn good at the first round the past 5 years. Not sure if he'd be willing to get rid of that (I want to use that for a Kyle Connor type tbh)

 

[theVladiator]

Soderblom cant even put up top 6 numbers in the AHL. Hes no where near hudler.

Well, he is actually slightly ahead of Hudler at the same age if you look at the NHL production. And NHL production is what matters in the end.

Of course his NHL resume is fairly short still, so hard to be certain how it goes from here. But bigger guys also often peak later, so there certainly can be very significant upside there.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Josh Manson and Sam Girard for Compher, 2nd and Buium.

That clears about 4.4 mil in space for Colorado and gives them a 3rd line center they’re familiar with, a high 2nd and a defense prospect that has a decent chance to play. Avs can use the cap for other moves.

It gives Detroit a guy to play next to Seider and a physical vet for the 3rd pair.

Charlie Coyle is already our 3C. Take Miles wood too.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Isles don’t need to move Romanov and Holmstrom out for hopes and dreams. That’s utterly stupid. They need to build around Horvat/Barzal/Holmstrom/Romanov/Sorokin.

That’s a pretty poor group to build around….

 

[miscs75]

That’s a pretty poor group to build around….

I’d personally rather keep the 23 year old Simon Holmstrom and 24 year old Alex Romanov over the offer given for both. Plus it’s really not a smart move on the Isles part to move youth that’s progressing well for prospects. If they move players out it’s the Mayfield, Pelech, Pageau, Cizikas, Engvall grouping. It could sound like a poor group but if Eiserman, Ritchie and Nelson all reach their potential based on how development it’s another 3 solid pieces of youth with sizable talent to help the Isles out.

 

[andora]

Mario Ferraro is very likely available.

This would be a great target for them

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

This would be a great target for them

Not at the price it would take.

Sharks fans, what's the ask?

 

[eojsmada]

You're supposed to fill in your depth through drafting and developing.

Agree. The issue with Detroit is that they lack goal scoring past Larkin/Raymond/DeBrincat. Kane isn't consistent enough to be counted, IMO. They've tried getting it with Perron/Tarasenko but that hasn't happened. And the rest of the forward corps doesn't have enough finish to it. There's simply no scoring past the first two lines and usually only one of them shows up on any given night and that just doesn't cut it in the NHL.

So signing players like Ehlers or Boeser would go a long way to helping with this and then being able to fill in the bottom 6 with developed talent. Heck...sign both Ehlers and Boeser and that goes a long way to helping with Detroit's offensive woes. Between that and fixing the bottom D pair should be enough to push Detroit into the next tier of teams.

 

[Peen]

Garland

 

[Grinner]

16 out of 32 teams have the most obnoxious fanbase?

You know what they say
When it's half of everybody else, it's probably you

 

[Grinner]

Not at the price it would take.

Sharks fans, what's the ask?

I'd be happy to add our 2nd round pick with Ferraro for MBN.

 

[Lampedampe]

Don't need depth imo, the team needs an actual top-6 forward and a top-4 dman to push down depth players to actual depth positions.

Chiarot should be on the 3rd pair and Kane should be on the 3rd line.

With the emergence of Kasper, they'll be able to banish Compher and Copp to the 3rd line permanently.

I believe that the top-6 forward should come internally, leave a slot for Danielson, Lombardi, Buchelnikov and MBN to fight for. Add a proper defender like Provorov or Gavrikov to play on the top-pair with Seider.

Debrincat-Larkin-Danielson
Söderblom-Kasper-Raymond
Compher-Copp-Kane
Mazur-Rasmussen-X

Provorov-Seider
Edvinsson-Johansson
Chiarot-X

Talbot
Mrazek
Cossa

But i mean, sure if you add Ehlers or Boeser to the 2nd line you have a really good top-6.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Don't need depth imo, the team needs an actual top-6 forward and a top-4 dman to push down depth players to actual depth positions.

Chiarot should be on the 3rd pair and Kane should be on the 3rd line.

With the emergence of Kasper, they'll be able to banish Compher and Copp to the 3rd line permanently.

I believe that the top-6 forward should come internally, leave a slot for Danielson, Lombardi, Buchelnikov and MBN to fight for. Add a proper defender like Provorov or Gavrikov to play on the top-pair with Seider.

Debrincat-Larkin-Danielson
Söderblom-Kasper-Raymond
Compher-Copp-Kane
Mazur-Rasmussen-X

Provorov-Seider
Edvinsson-Johansson
Chiarot-X

Talbot
Mrazek
Cossa

But i mean, sure if you add Ehlers or Boeser to the 2nd line you have a really good top-6.

Copp-Compher-anyone would be the worst 3rd line in the league.

Compher needs to go. Danielson will be either on top 6w to start the year or 3C. I’m OK with him as 3W if the wings can get a solid top 6 upgrade like Ehlers, Boeser or even Marchand via free agency.
Copp can be 4C with Raz and Mazur on his wings.

Compher, Tank and possibly Raz can take a hike. Gourde and Ioffalo or Mangiapane would be nice adds to the 3rd line. Maybe Tanev and/or Beauvillier. That would be some much needed help on 3rd line for depth.

 

[Miller Time]

Watch Yzerman sign Dvorak & Armia in the offseason... He loves those vet ex Habs lol

 

[Lampedampe]

Copp-Compher-anyone would be the worst 3rd line in the league.

Compher needs to go. Danielson will be either on top 6w to start the year or 3C. I’m OK with him as 3W if the wings can get a solid top 6 upgrade like Ehlers, Boeser or even Marchand via free agency.
Copp can be 4C with Raz and Mazur on his wings.

Compher, Tank and possibly Raz can take a hike. Gourde and Ioffalo or Mangiapane would be nice adds to the 3rd line. Maybe Tanev and/or Beauvillier. That would be some much needed help on 3rd line for depth.

Yeah, it wouldn't be an ideal 3rd line by any means. On paper it should be decent though, but with how Compher has played lately...

I do think that if they can be deep enough to have a Mazur-Rasmussen-Elmer, we may see 4 lines being rolled, making it possible to limit the 3rd line.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Fix Detroit's depth!

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I'd be happy to add our 2nd round pick with Ferraro for MBN.

Hard pass.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I don't think you can fix Detro's depth in one off season it needs to much work.

I'd argue they need more then depth, they need a star.

even that's not enough but if for example they could replace Kane with Ehlers or Boesser that would be a start.

 

[datsyukfan]

I don't think you can fix Detro's depth in one off season it needs to much work.

I'd argue they need more then depth, they need a star.

even that's not enough but if for example they could replace Kane with Ehlers or Boesser that would be a start.

There’s no reason they shouldn’t be able to add one of those guys and keep Kane. They absolutely need a legit top 4 D