Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[Zirakzigil]

Ooor, and hear me out, it's true that she gave consent. Time will tell.

On that note, if this whole thing ends up in "woman falsely accuses 5 men of rape" territory, what would be her punishment? Years in prison?

She couldnt have if she had been drinking. Thats the law in Canada.

 

[Petey O]

We cant speculate based on just words though. Its up to the jury to decide based on tone of those words.

Agreed.

 

[aniketus]

Are the players under a criminal investigation? Wouldn't that mean they would be suspended by the nhl.

 

[snag]

There does seem to be a correlation with hockey players and this kind of stuff.

A lot of weird sex stuff in the hockey world at various levels and ages and preferences even

God.....I remember hearing about some hazings when I was in high school and at that point in time, while I always wished I was put in hockey, was thankful my parents didn't have the money.

 

[Vinceee]

Also imagine you are a woman in a room that just had consensual sex with 5 famous Canadian hockey players and now you want a payday...so you say it was rape, get a big settlement from Hockey Canada and now you can go after each of the 5 civilly...you're set for life in your early 20's and all you had to do was lie a little bit.

That easy, ‘lie a little bit’… sigh

 

[abax44]

She couldnt have if she had been drinking. Thats the law in Canada.

What was the law in 2018? Serious question.

In the video she says she's sober (according to the lawyer).

 

[The Management]

Don't be so sure, online posters (from forums and blogs) have been sued in canadian courts for libelous comments in the past for posting online rumours and specualtions as fact. Thats why we have out terms and conditions the prohibits it.

Yep. Websites and online hosts are prudent to exercise caution about what is "published" on their websites for public consumption. They can also theoretically be compelled to disclose identifying information in their possession about anonymous users. Unless you're very savvy in matters of online privacy, never assume you're being insulated by a username on a message board.

To put a finer spin on it, anyone with the resources and the spite to make your life difficult can file a frivolous or vexatious lawsuit (or threaten to bring one). The only thing better than having a good defence, is not having to make one in the first place.

 

[hairylikebear]

The problem with this analogy is that riding a bike on a narrow seldom used highway late at night is inherently dangerous due to physical issues like lack of light and lack of room on the road whether or not the drunk driver is there.

To compare this to what happened likens men sexually assaulting women to a force of nature. An inevitability.

Whatever the metaphor, we can teach our children to be safe but that does not make them responsible for being sexually assaulted.

This conversation comes up every time this topic does. We need to draw a distinction between those actually trying to blame the victim and those trying to learn from the incident.

 

[izlez]

She couldnt have if she had been drinking. Thats the law in Canada.

What? Care to elaborate on that law or what you mean. I imagine quite a large percentage of sex is preceded by drinking alcohol

 

[Gregor Samsa]

There does seem to be a correlation with hockey players and this kind of stuff.

A lot of weird sex stuff in the hockey world at various levels and ages and preferences even

Junior hockey operates differently than high school sports. I’ve often thought that’s the problem for a few reasons

 

[King'sPawn]

Protects the website when a user is out of line

I was being sarcastic, but thank you for the earnest effort to educate.

 

[Zirakzigil]

What? Care to elaborate on that law or what you mean. I imagine quite a large percentage of sex is preceded by drinking alcohol

Legally in Canada you have to be sober to give consent, police statement, etc. If she wasnt sober she couldnt give consent.

 

[93LEAFS]

God.....I remember hearing about some hazings when I was in high school and at that point in time, while I always wished I was put in hockey, was thankful my parents didn't have the money.

The most prominent school for hockey in Toronto had a huge hazing story related to its football team result in criminal charges a few years back.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I was being sarcastic, but thank you for the earnest effort to educate.

Sorry, bad legal takes on here are maybe the only thing that genuinely annoys me lol

 

[izlez]

Legally in Canada you have to be sober to give consent, police statement, etc. If she wasnt sober she couldnt give consent.

I must be missing something. A married couple can't go out for a few drinks and have sex afterward?

 

[Petey O]

How many times in your life after having sex have you felt compelled to pull out a camera and ask the person you had sex with to confirm their consent?

Don't you think it's a bit of a weird impulse? It would absolutely never occur to me to do a thing like that because there has never been even the most minuscule doubt about consent.

I think if the defense can prove that this is something they do in all of these situations, then that argument falls short. If they did it uniquely for this one, you definitely have a point.

 

[AlphaLackey]

How many times in your life after having sex have you felt compelled to pull out a camera and ask the person you had sex with to confirm their consent?

Don't you think it's a bit of a weird impulse? It would absolutely never occur to me to do a thing like that because there has never been even the most minuscule doubt about consent.

To many a young man familiar with anything from the Duke Lacrosse case to the modern kangaroo courts around campus sexual assaults hearings, and yes I say "man" because a gender bias can be found as high up as Duke's Dean Wasiolek's given testimony, it wouldn't be weird at all.

People's fears absolutely don't need to align with statistical reality. Why are people more scared of sharks than pigs, when it's pigs that kill far more people? So no, I'm not surprised at all at the idea of young men (especially in a prominent position) having a statistically-out-of-line fear of a false accusation.

 

[roon]

I must be missing something. A married couple can't go out for a few drinks and have sex afterward?

You aren't missing anything - they are just wrong about the law.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Legally in Canada you have to be sober to give consent, police statement, etc. If she wasnt sober she couldnt give consent.

Drinking doesn’t mean you’re intoxicated

Stick to the moderating

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Sorry, bad legal takes on here are maybe the only thing that genuinely annoys me lol

 

[Zirakzigil]

Protects the website when a user is out of line

In reality, theres only a handful of posters that @Bear of Bad News is willing to get sued over.

None of us are on the list though....

 

[Habby4Life]

Nah. Parents need to do a better job teaching those young men what consent is and to respect women.

Sad it has to be said in 2024!!!!

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

I didn't see this and I was curious. This is the linked news story that's being clipped in this thread.

Lawyers for players linked to alleged sexual assault to give NHL videos, text messages | TSN

As the NHL pursues its investigation into an alleged 2018 sexual assault involving eight former Canadian Hockey League players, lawyers for the players plan to turn over to the league two videos filmed with a cellphone during and after the incident, as well as 35 text messages sent between the...

www.tsn.ca

The primary/sole source is the defense attorney for one of the players. The only thing she shared was facts that potentially exculpate her client and even then the writer put in details regarding "consent videos" and how reliable they are for such a defense.

 

[red devil]

 

[GirardSpinorama]

What? Care to elaborate on that law or what you mean. I imagine quite a large percentage of sex is preceded by drinking alcohol

I think it has to be more nuance than that cause the players werent sober either. If neither parties can provide consent then what?