Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[DavidpauseReinbacher]

I wonder if the Flames will try to terminate Dube for material breach if he lied to them since it's now created a shitstorm in Calagary after they put out that tweet that he was leaving for "mental health" reasons.

Would be naive to think flames didn't know why he was leaving.

 

[RegDunlop]

I don't have the reference.

However, I find it hard to buy scandalized people here.

You have all been watching degrading porn from a very young age. So the guys you're watching are doing what I'm doing, only worse.

Oh yes - some arse whip on a hockey forum knows what I've watched or done.
Are you old enough to be here? Because I think I can speak for about 98% of posters here when I say that we're really not interested in your sex capades.

 

[Danarqhy]

Well, did he lie? Just because he was charged, doesn't mean he lied. A lot of people are not getting this.

Do you think the team should be trying to diminish the sexual assault charges against Dube because he might be having mental issues about having to face the music about the alleged criminal acts he himself perpetrated on the victim? What you're not getting is that we don't give a f*** about his mental state because he's been accused of raping somebody. Acting in a way that's publicly sympathetic to a potential rapist is a bad look.

 

[Musampa]

Just maybe folks intending to make millions as public celebrities should use better judgment than to even get near a situation like this in the first place?

Good point. But as far as we know, the situation happened even before they signed their first pro contracts. 18 is the age when your johnson is big enough but your brain isn’t yet.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Do you think the team should be trying to diminish the sexual assault charges against Dube because he might be having mental issues about having to face the music about the alleged criminal acts he himself perpetrated on the victim? What you're not getting is that we don't give a f*** about his mental state because he's been accused of raping somebody.

Do you think the team should have come out and violate his medical and personal privacy and then potentially defame him (since he hadn't yet been charged) by saying "Dube is taking a mental health leave of absence because he is maybe a sex pest"????

 

[Danarqhy]

Do you think the team should have come out and violate his medical and personal privacy and then potentially defame him (since he hadn't yet been charged) by saying "Dube is taking a mental health leave of absence because he is maybe a sex pest"????

No, I think they should have just said "He's taking a leave of absence" and left it at that.

 

[T REX]

Would be naive to think flames didn't know why he was leaving.

This times 100000000

A few GMs are going to be on the hot seat.

This isn't going to just blow over anytime soon.

 

[Bond]

Do you think the team should have come out and violate his medical and personal privacy and then potentially defame him (since he hadn't yet been charged) by saying "Dube is taking a mental health leave of absence because he is maybe a sex pest"????

The f*** up was saying anything about mental health at all. Compare the Flames statement versus the other teams.
The Flames look even dumber in the context of Kylington situation

 

[Melrose Munch]

First of all, I'm not trying “SO hard” to believe in anything. I was not in the room and did not hold the candle. I am not a judge to judge someone especially without knowing all the details. As for Hockey Canada, I have already explained, but it looks like it’s YOU are the one who “wrote all those words without acknowledging what I said even one little bit”. Ok, I'll repeat it. Sometimes it is more profitable to pay millions so that the information does not become public and you do not lose TENS of millions. Because when the hype starts, you lose these tens of millions even if the truth is on your side. Therefore, payment for silence is not an admission of guilt.
P.S. Please don't make me a player's advocate because I'm not. I just hate it when people put labels on others. If the court finds them guilty, then they are on their way to jail.

The details are out there if you want to see them.

 

[RegDunlop]

Do you think the team should have come out and violate his medical and personal privacy and then potentially defame him (since he hadn't yet been charged) by saying "Dube is taking a mental health leave of absence because he is maybe a sex pest"????

Actually....
The team didn't have to say a thing. Not a F ing thing.

When not @ practise and slimeball Francis finally notices, they can issue any kind of statement then

 

[Number8]

I'll take it a step further.

And any GM who knowingly ICED these guys or signed them to a contract or traded for them needs to answer major questions. There's not going to be any plausible deniability to hide behind. Heads are gonna roll...and rightly so. Rumors or whispers? You better have dotted your I's and crossed your T's because the public is gonna want blood. This doesn't stop with these players. Execs are going to need to explain themselves.

And those other 3 players? Warning to them...they are going to find out who you are and what level of involvement occurred.

Hockey culture is in for a huge shock. Huge.

Cam Neely and Don Sweeney — who f***ed up royally with the Mitch Miller situation — breath a huge sigh of relief that none of these dudes were anywhere near Boston.

Does anyone remember the outrage when Boston signed Mitch Miller and the news of what had transpired came out??

No offense to the victim in that case - but that situation was nothing like this.

Yikes.

 

[RegDunlop]

The f*** up was saying anything about mental health at all. Compare the Flames statement versus the other teams.
The Flames look even dumber in the context of Kylington situation

This fella gets it

 

[Bond]

The confusing thing about people arguing that the players are innocent and she did consent bid that she already received a settlement and doesn’t have anything to personally gain from committing to a trial. It is going to be rough on her

 

[Bond]

This fella gets it

I’d be pissed if I was Andersson. Thinks he is supporting a teammate like with Kylington and then this drops.

 

[Warden of the North]

They'll be all playing in the KHL next year.

They probably won't be able to leave Canada.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I don’t understand why the Flames are taking some heat. Their response makes no sense if they knew this was coming. They probably knew Dube was investigated but they probably didn’t know the hammer was literally about to fall. He probably asked if he could take a leave more mental health reasons. They agreed and then were surprised when he was asked to turn himself in a few days later. I think Dube looks worse in this situation and a coward. Why would the Flames reply like they did if they knew what was about to happen?

 

[Musampa]

The confusing thing about people arguing that the players are innocent and she did consent bid that she already received a settlement and doesn’t have anything to personally gain from committing to a trial. It is going to be rough on her

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. As for trial I guess it’s on the police same as in Voynov case. Thank God we have a judicial system, otherwise the mob would have lynched everyone

 

[RI.B FAN]

I’m not a woman. I’m a man. But I am a sexual assault survivor that involved alcohol and drugs. And I agree that the burden regardless of substance is never on the abused. But if I could go back in time and speak to my teenage self, I’m almost 40, I would say that younger version of myself definitely was sublime and ignorant toward the situations he was putting himself into. Not that my younger self deserved it or was asking for it in anyway. But I would give advice to have a far better head on a swivel about the places and or people he was choosing to be around. Both can be true, you should never ever blame a victim but also as a victim I think victims need to teach people how to not place themselves in situations that are fertile ground for abuse.

I think you are wise and brave

 

[theVladiator]

I wonder if the Flames will try to terminate Dube for material breach if he lied to them since it's now created a shitstorm in Calagary after they put out that tweet that he was leaving for "mental health" reasons.

If he withheld info about being charged, then it would make sense for the Flames to terminate him. Just to make sure it's clear where the lie came from, if nothing else.

 

[T REX]

I don’t understand why the Flames are taking some heat. Their response makes no sense if they knew this was coming. They probably knew Dube was investigated but they probably didn’t know the hammer was literally about to fall. He probably asked if he could take a leave more mental health reasons. They agreed and then were surprised when he was asked to turn himself in a few days later. I think Dube looks worse in this situation and a coward. Why would the Flames reply like they did if they knew what was about to happen?

This seems really naive. You're serious? Once the curtain is pulled back...this is going to rock the hockey world right down to its foundation.

A lot of warnings, rumors, whispers were ignored by some.

Again, it won't take much to follow the trails.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

This seems really naive. You're serious? Once the curtain is pulled back...this is going to rock the hockey world right down to its foundation.

A lot of warnings, rumors, whispers were ignored by some.

Again, it won't take much to follow the trails.

I’m sure it will and I have issues with the culture so I hope these players are made an example of and a new standard is set for conduct. I’m just talking about the Flames response. Maybe they are that out of tune that they couldn’t see how their remark was head scratching and insensitive but why didn’t other teams say something similar then? I just find it hard to believe the Flames said that on purpose knowing this exact situation was about to unfold a couple days later. Dube was the first to take a leave, wasn’t he? Maybe the other teams found out and issued cold, distant statements

 

[DearDiary]

Dube left for mental health reasons before he was requested to report to police. Whether the Flames knew the truth doesn't mean anything, because at that moment Dube was a normal person saying he had a mental breakdown of some sort. He probably wanted that time to collect his thoughts and get his affairs in order. So it's ridiculous to point fingers at the Flames organization for following protocol based on current information instead of speculation.

 

[RegDunlop]

I don’t understand why the Flames are taking some heat. Their response makes no sense if they knew this was coming. They probably knew Dube was investigated but they probably didn’t know the hammer was literally about to fall. He probably asked if he could take a leave more mental health reasons. They agreed and then were surprised when he was asked to turn himself in a few days later. I think Dube looks worse in this situation and a coward. Why would the Flames reply like they did if they knew what was about to happen?

Come on
Do you really think they were surprised and didn't know the hammer was coming down? In no world today does this league and it's owners not know and / or control everything. Perhaps they didn't know exact timing, but unlike the 5 participants we couldn't specialize on before, I will definitely speculate that the team knew this.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Come on
Do you really think they were surprised and didn't know the hammer was coming down? In no world today does this league and it's owners not know and / or control everything. Perhaps they didn't know exact timing, but unlike the 5 participants we couldn't specialize on before, I will definitely speculate that the team knew this.

The exact timing is what I’m talking about. I don’t follow Calgary closely and I know some joke about the organization but I find it hard to believe that they are that disconnected from the real world that they wouldn’t know how their statement would look. If Dube takes his indefinite leave for “mental health” and 4 months later the hammer falls, no one bats an eye at Calgary’s statement.I think they were caught with their pants down is all I’m saying.

 

[rynryn]

This seems really naive. You're serious? Once the curtain is pulled back...this is going to rock the hockey world right down to its foundation.

A lot of warnings, rumors, whispers were ignored by some.

Again, it won't take much to follow the trails.

Assuming it wasn't the Flames idea to cite mental health reasons and that it came from Dube's camp without coaching by the team, the Flames can do nothing to throw a roadblock between a player and treatment (like with addiction).

Cynically you might say Dube's camp knew this and it's why they went that route and/or the Flames pointed them in that direction. But barring proof the Flames knew what it was really about they shouldn't take heat for that statement. Even if they suspected, they have to support any player seeking treatment for mental health or addiction.