First Impressions of St. Louis

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Don't love the new "malcontent" label he's coming here with.

 

[DudMan28]

I think peope that like to bash Sather are going to say this was a bad trade. We traded a UFA with ridiculous contract demands for a top-tier player in the NHL. Sure he is older, but 3 years of MSL will be far superior to 3 years of Cally. Sure the picks hurt, but we have a year to get back that 1st, and we kept our 1st this year. Personally, I think this raises our chances this year (dont think we win it). Next year seems like a more realistic goal for us to go for it all though.

 

[SixGoalieSystem]

I don't much like giving up a first (or maybe two), but I love MSL as a player and Callahan had to go. In the end I'm fine with it.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I think peope that like to bash Sather are going to say this was a bad trade. We traded a UFA with ridiculous contract demands for a top-tier player in the NHL. Sure he is older, but 3 years of MSL will be far superior to 3 years of Cally. Sure the picks hurt, but we have a year to get back that 1st, and we kept our 1st this year. Personally, I think this raises our chances this year (dont think we win it). Next year seems like a more realistic goal for us to go for it all though.

How are the Rangers going to get back the 1st rounder?

These are poorly thought out throw away lines that are actually pretty important once you get past the glitz of a 38 year old MSL.

 

[SRTtoZ]

Love it, the time to win is now or within the next few years and Cally, while I loved him as a person/captain, did not provide the results we needed from him.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Love it, the time to win is now or within the next few years and Cally, while I loved him as a person/captain, did not provide the results we needed from him.

And, a few years from now, when the team hasn't won anything. The time to win will again be now or within the next few years.

What a vicious cycle.

 

[haveandare]

How are the Rangers going to get back the 1st rounder?

These are poorly thought out throw away lines that are actually pretty important once you get past the glitz of a 38 year old MSL.

One of the many prospects knocking at the door comes up. He replaces someone of decent value. That person gets packaged with something minor (if necessary) for a first.

 

[The Lunatic Fridge]

Any people who are against MSL will be pro MSL in about 8 hours when the game against the leafs is finished.

 

[beef 4 lunch]

How are the Rangers going to get back the 1st rounder?

These are poorly thought out throw away lines that are actually pretty important once you get past the glitz of a 38 year old MSL.

Glitz? what glitz are you talking about? Last years scoring leader? Most goals over the past 10 years or so? He not a 25 year old stud but the sooner people realize we will never get one of those the better. MSL's attributes are not "glitz".

 

[DudMan28]

How are the Rangers going to get back the 1st rounder?

These are poorly thought out throw away lines that are actually pretty important once you get past the glitz of a 38 year old MSL.

I dont know how they will, but they have a whole year to figure it out.

That 1st round pick would still be a crapshoot anyway if we pick 20-30. Its looked at as a strong draft because that top-5 is so strong. Were not getting a top-5 pick. We didnt give up one of our guys that will most likely be NHL ready next year in JT/Fast which I look at as a win.

We have done well wid UDFA and College FA the past few years as well. Will it hurt our farm a little bit? Sure. But it's not nearly as bad as some people are making it out to be.

 

[Thesensation19*]

I think anyone who wants to evaluate this trade has to sit down for some time and punch out some numbers. Include salary cap, expected cap, other FA needed to be signed, the value of similar players of Callahan and what Cally is valued at... If you do not think he is worth more than 6 million... then you should think this is a great trade.

Really evaluate it though cuz I think I would have given him 6.3 but I never sat down to think about it.

I heard he even went lower than 6.3 and a NTC but the two didn't sit well with Front office and St. Louis was available and willing.

 

[MSD]

Great deal for the Rangers, no brainer.

 

[Riverdale]

Where is the 'Disgusted' option? Embarassing. Gm is a joke, assistant gm is a joke. This team will win NOTHING with msl.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Can someone please post highlights of MSL pleeease

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

Unless we win a cup I don't think its fair to judge this trade until next season. Where our first round draft pick ends up is going to be huge. If we suck next season and give up a great pick I think we got the worst of this trade. If we do great next year and have a 25-30 1st round pick plus a 2nd traded for MTS then i think Sather did amazing!

 

[Moon Knight]

I like it. The only thing that scares me a bit is the 1st round pick.
If the Rangers somehow just collapse next year and than proceed to get a top 5 pick,..

 

[DekeR]

For all the attributes that MSL brings to the table, this trade has to be the top trade of the year. Absolutely love this acquisition even with the loss of the picks.

 

[LORENZO]

 

[Pugs35]

One of the many prospects knocking at the door comes up. He replaces someone of decent value. That person gets packaged with something minor (if necessary) for a first.

Yeah, this is what they should have done with Callahan.

 

[Mikos87]

Love having St. Louis but am iffy about the price we paid to get him. Losing an excellent shot-blocker and penalty-killer might hurt our GAA. Callahan is on page for a 36-point, 65-game season, which means assuming a constant production rate, he should contribute to another 11 goals. St. Louis, meanwhile, is on page for an 82-point, 82-game season, which means, assuming a constant production rate, he should contribute to another 20 goals over our remaining 20 games.

Therefore: we paid two high-round picks and Callahan in exchange for an additional nine goals this season (and presumably more offense thereafter). Considering we have 20 games to go, St. Louis should contribute to an additional 9 goals / 20 games = 0.45 goals per game, which would bring us to 3.00 goals / game for the remainder of the season, or seventh in the league in scoring (we are currently 19th), other things equal.

* Addendum: if the above holds, we should finish the season with: (20g/82g)*3.00GFA + (62g/82g)*2.55GFA = 2.58GFA, which would actually keep is in 19th. Detroit (2.59GFA) occupies 18th; the Isles hold 2.66GFA at 17th.

The constant production assumption is a simplification, of course, but this back of the envelope calculation shows how much this trade could improve our team. This trade could have tremendous implications. It's a bit early to hate or love it; I suppose it just depends on the time horizon of one's analysis.

Sources:
- NHL.com
- ESPN Player page - Ryan Callahan
- ESPN Player page - Martin St. Louis

Great post. Exactly the way I looked at it when the rumors started. The Ranges team GPG goes up by .5 from now till the end of next year. Take into consideration. Hank's GAA (which is back to normal after the bad start), and Talbots excellent play. The Rangers should get more wins over the course of a few months.

Let's not forget that this team was 10-10 in the 2012 playoffs with a goalie that sported a sub 2.00 GAA. That .5 bump in GPG that season would have equaled shorter series and a possibly a cup.

If the Rangers don't face Boston, or a physical team in the playoffs this year (provided they make it of course), then the odds are very likely that they can make a run to the finals. The Rangers system simple don't match up against Boston. Just not big or tough enough. Thankfully the other teams that play that heavy brand of hockey are all out west.

If I recall correctly, the rangers have won just a single game this year against those "Neanderthal" teams. STL, BOS, LA, PHX, SJ, ANA.

 

[Off Sides]

I voted, I dislike it, I think they gave up way too much future for what turns into a short term player for them, and I do not feel as if this moves puts them close enough to contention for it to help them truly win a championship.

 

[Pugs35]

Thats a bold statement. I would argue that there is nothing that could have been done with Cally that would be the difference between a cup and no cup either now or in the future.

Then why would you make this deal if you don't think this team can win the cup?

 

[Doctyl]

we get probably 3-4 years at least out of MSL. he is good for 70 points a year. Cally killed his value with his demands. also happy we didnt sign him to what he wanted (addition by subtraction i guess). the picks are not a guaranteed anything. at least we dont have the chance to jessiman or sanguinetti next year

 

[Doctyl]

next year Fast can replace cally. maybe not offensively yet, but defensively he is certainly capable.

 

[Mikos87]

next year Fast can replace cally. maybe not offensively yet, but defensively he is certainly capable.

Fast is sooffffftt, gets intimidated after taking a few hits.

Miller is the guy that will bring that grit, hunger and do what it takes to win attitude.