Speculation: Fire Rob Blake Blow it Up Offseason Thread (update: Robitaille, Blake and Hiller stay)

[Schmooley]

What was Moore and Arvidsson doing exactly to warrant them to make that kind of a call? This shit isn't as deep as you think it is. The Kings have been rife and marred by nonstop shitty roster design, management, and execution. When you have your 2nd best producer on the 4th line then I don't give a f*** what player is saying to anyone. The second line did nothing the entire playoffs yet they remained. Kopitar Kempe and Byfield line was good for one game? Where is this deep analysis you're purporting? I'd consider your line of reasoning if there was a distinction between the horseshit hockey we saw but it was everywhere in the line up. And my point is, the horseshit hockey likely had something to do with the line combinations as well as the awful coaching formations.

The same arguments being levied against Fiala can be made about every King during the playoffs which is my point. Im just more lenient when it comes to Fiala since he was f***ing with Lewis and Lizzotte since he was at the biggest disadvantage.


I don't know if you've been paying attention to the playoffs but the Oilers penalty kill has been outstanding. Arvidsson who everyone loves to slobber over choked on how many good oppurtunities? Trevor Moore where was he? Why does the entire second line get a pass for being MIA when arguably the best forward is riding shotgun with the worst linemates nonstop is getting unrelenting shit?

I can make stupid arguments too, its not difficult, Ill do it right now just so you can see how stupid it is to single out players with blind conviction. Here, Byfield is complete ass, 4 points the entire playoffs while being given every chance to produce with Kopitar and Kempe. This bum cant even play center. When Moore and Danault say they want to play with Arvidson they listen to them, but when Byfield says hey I want to take a crack at center, they say "hey you're just not good enough to be center because you suck, you're a 2nd overall yet you aren't even playing center. You're getting outproduced by a thousand yearold center, get gud loser"

See how easy it is to make stupid arguments when you start mind reading?

Not sure why you are so offended. Fiala sucked in the playoffs. That doesnt mean other players were good or better. Moore Kopitar Kempe Byfield Danault Arvidsson or whoever you want to bring up. Sure they sucked also but no one is bragging about them like you are by bringing up that mvp Fiala suck it haters type post. Though hating on Byfield for having 4 points in 5 games without powerplay utilization and the best defensive numbers is a weird way to dis him.

 

[Cook24]

Sens fans think they will get more than they paid for Chychrun in a trade...

They traded a 1st and two 2nd rounders for him, and now he only has one year left on his deal...

 

[unicornpig]

That's just wrong. Plenty of guys on the Kings have had strong, deep runs before.

Kevin literally never has across three teams.

There's a difference.

Yes, we all want the Kings to collectively pull it together, and very few guys had 'good' playoffs this go-round. In that regard, I agree it's unfair to single him out for performance. When EVERYONE sucks, I think it's pretty fair to blame the coaching/infrastructure. But the point is this type of performance is NOT unusual for Kevin.

other than kopitar and doughty who has.... also kopitar and doughty havent done squat in the playoffs since 2014. you keep citing three teams. he was 18-20 when he was in Nashville.......

Mayor thinks 2-3 years 4-5 million will be the bridge deal if thats the route they take...

hes being highly optimistic me thinks

Even if Kevin, or Pierre, were winners, the core team isn’t a winner with Anze and Drew as the top guys. We all know it’s true.

this is essentially the answer to the kings playoff woes.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Alright guys, I'm sorry, your sweet little Fiala is perfect, he totally doesn't drop from 90 points in the regular season to less than half of that pace in the playoffs, and his performance at the worlds will totally shut us up about his playoff nonperformances.

Jesus christ talk about a full throated defense against facts and reality, you can have it. Peace.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Well, Fiala himself has already been available twice.

Both for financial reasons, show me a player of his caliber that's been traded without financial reasons.....

Not sure why you are so offended. Fiala sucked in the playoffs. That doesnt mean other players were good or better. Moore Kopitar Kempe Byfield Danault Arvidsson or whoever you want to bring up. Sure they sucked also but no one is bragging about them like you are by bringing up that mvp Fiala suck it haters type post. Though hating on Byfield for having 4 points in 5 games without powerplay utilization and the best defensive numbers is a weird way to dis him.

Was there anyone good in the playoffs this year?

 

[unicornpig]

Alright guys, I'm sorry, your sweet little Fiala is perfect, he totally doesn't drop from 90 points in the regular season to less than half of that pace in the playoffs, and his performance at the worlds will totally shut us up about his playoff nonperformances.

Jesus christ talk about a full throated defense against facts and reality, you can have it. Peace.

time to go pout cause somebody didn't agree ahaha.

 

[Sol]

Not sure why you are so offended. Fiala sucked in the playoffs. That doesnt mean other players were good or better. Moore Kopitar Kempe Byfield Danault Arvidsson or whoever you want to bring up. Sure they sucked also but no one is bragging about them like you are by bringing up that mvp Fiala suck it haters type post. Though hating on Byfield for having 4 points in 5 games without powerplay utilization and the best defensive numbers is a weird way to dis him.

Because there’s a good amount of posters as you can see, maybe yourself included, who seem to want him to fail exclusively. The only reason this gets brought up is because people have a dislike towards him as a player that they don’t apply to other players on the team.

Byfield should have done more as a 2nd overall pick. My point is you can make a whole bunch of stupid arguments like that if you want to intentionally ignore the core issues with the team. I certainly don’t think byfield did bad at all but i do think the entire team was awful because of coaching so if I wanted to bad faith I can say 4 points for a 2nd overall player being baby sat by Kopitar while also not even playing his original position, what a loser kind of argument. But it’s just not rational to say that when you look at the whole picture. Just weird people single out Fiala.

 

[Schmooley]

Because there’s a good amount of posters as you can see, maybe yourself included, who seem to want him to fail exclusively. The only reason this gets brought up is because people have a dislike towards him as a player that they don’t apply to other players on the team.

Byfield should have done more as a 2nd overall pick. My point is you can make a whole bunch of stupid arguments like that if you want to intentionally ignore the core issues with the team. I certainly don’t think byfield did bad at all but i do think the entire team was awful because of coaching so if I wanted to bad faith I can say 4 points for a 2nd overall player being baby sat by Kopitar while also not even playing his original position, what a loser kind of argument. But it’s just not rational to say that when you look at the whole picture. Just weird people single out Fiala.

No I dont root for Fiala to fail or anyone on the Kings to fail. I like Fiala. You can like him and be aware of his faults at the same time.

 

[doug93003]

Because there’s a good amount of posters as you can see, maybe yourself included, who seem to want him to fail exclusively. The only reason this gets brought up is because people have a dislike towards him as a player that they don’t apply to other players on the team.

Byfield should have done more as a 2nd overall pick. My point is you can make a whole bunch of stupid arguments like that if you want to intentionally ignore the core issues with the team. I certainly don’t think byfield did bad at all but i do think the entire team was awful because of coaching so if I wanted to bad faith I can say 4 points for a 2nd overall player being baby sat by Kopitar while also not even playing his original position, what a loser kind of argument. But it’s just not rational to say that when you look at the whole picture. Just weird people single out Fiala.

Individual players live and die by the team and system they are on/in. Judging players on this team is going to be difficult because the roster is so flawed. Not flawed with bad players but flawed with players that don't complement each other. The lack of a physical presence on the ice is glaring every year around this time. This team plays smaller than the roster would suggest. No one is there doing to little things or taking the tough assignments.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

time to go pout cause somebody didn't agree ahaha.

You can't disagree with facts, you can only respond with delusion.

There's just no point in talking to posters who have their minds made up and are relying on fallacies and trolling to make their points because it's just that hard to acknowledge a single player may have a flaw.

You can die on that childish hill if you like but I reserve the right to call it out as such. I'm just over it because that's too many similar characteristics to my block list.

 

[King'sPawn]

other than kopitar and doughty who has.... also kopitar and doughty havent done squat in the playoffs since 2014. you keep citing three teams. he was 18-20 when he was in Nashville.......

By the time Kopitar and Doughty were Fiala's age, they had two cups. Both put up performances worthy of Conn Smythe talk, playing in all situations, and been part of leading the team in scoring.

And Fiala was 22 when Nashville traded him. The age Doughty was when the Kings won their first cup.

This attempt to rationalize Fiala's underachieving as he's supposed to be entering his prime is pretty confusing.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

By the time Kopitar and Doughty were Fiala's age, they had two cups. Both put up performances worthy of Conn Smythe talk, playing in all situations, and been part of leading the team in scoring.

And Fiala was 22 when Nashville traded him. The age Doughty was when the Kings won their first cup.

This attempt to rationalize Fiala's underachieving as he's supposed to be entering his prime is pretty confusing.

And the only reason he's getting picked on is he had attention drawn to his world championship performance like it was some sort of badge of honor

You'd better believe if anyone tried to say similar about PLD he'd be getting speedbagged right now too

 

[Herby]

Divealanche.com -- Player Profiles

Humorous site detailing the dark secret truth about the Colorado Avalanche and their fans

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[King'sPawn]

Divealanche.com -- Player Profiles

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I completely forgot about that site. What a time capsule.

 

[bland]

By the time Kopitar and Doughty were Fiala's age, they had two cups. Both put up performances worthy of Conn Smythe talk, playing in all situations, and been part of leading the team in scoring.

And Fiala was 22 when Nashville traded him. The age Doughty was when the Kings won their first cup.

This attempt to rationalize Fiala's underachieving as he's supposed to be entering his prime is pretty confusing.

I don't even think he is underachieving. I think he puts a tremendous amount of work into his game and the outstanding skills he has honed are the kind that are completely in vogue at the moment. I think his pure physical skills outshine his actual ability and folks that like flashy things willingly get lost in that gap.

Kind of like a singer with incredible vocal range who sticks to the pop tunes of the current era because their writing skills don't match their tools. He is a pop star, not an artist.

 

[Nasti]

Fiala’s biggest issue is that he’s as dumb as rocks. That’s not something you can teach and it’s what separates him from the stars of the game.

 

[Statto]

The numbers and stats in the IIHF worlds mean little and my post in that thread was directed more at PLD’s numbers more than Fiala but it doesn’t mean much either way. It won’t translate other than ‘maybe’ help confidence.

In terms of Fiala underachieving it’s all fine and well looking at stats lines but context always matters. His deployment was questionable in the playoffs and last year he was coming off an injury, which showed. If we want to through in MN then as a team they underachieved in the PO, as have we.

So yes Fiala has underwhelmed but he was not an outlier performance wise on either LA or MN. So it’s difficult to conclude he can’t get it done in the PO’s. The only fact is that he hasn’t yet. He’s a top 6 winger that is a complementary piece and hasn’t dragged any of his lines down. He's a good player but he was not put in a position to be a difference maker. So there is validity to both sides of the argument.

I understand why Hiller played the top 6 he did but after that his opinions were limited for Fiala. Hiller trusted Lewis and Lizotte which is why Fiala played with them. He had less trust in PLD and Laf (& even less in Gtundstrom). I think it’s as simple as that.

So no he hasn’t delivered but equally he needs better deployments.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Fiala has the most points among Kings players since joining the team, and he's done so while mostly playing with grinders.

Dubois is an underachiever. Fiala is not.

 

[Lt Dan]

Was there anyone good in the playoffs this year?

Kempe

 

[Herby]

The only reason this gets brought up is because people have a dislike towards him as a player that they don’t apply to other players on the team.

Like you with Kempe?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Also worth mentioning, Fiala is in the NHL's top 30 in scoring over the last three seasons with 230 points in 233 games and ranks 49th in goals with 85 goals, and 31st in assists with 145 helpers.

Sure, he can be mind numbingly frustrating to watch, but Kempe was also in the same boat, and a ton of people here wanted to get rid of him before he broke out as a top six forward. And do you guys remember why Kempe wasn't producing? It's because he was miscast as a center.

This team excels at stifling talent and placing players in positions where their strengths are not maximized.

 

[FrozenKing18]

Also worth mentioning, Fiala is in the NHL's top 30 in scoring over the last three seasons with 230 points in 233 games and ranks 49th in goals with 85 goals, and 31st in assists with 145 helpers.

Sure, he can be mind numbingly frustrating to watch, but Kempe was also in the same boat, and a ton of people here wanted to get rid of him before he broke out as a top six forward. And do you guys remember why Kempe wasn't producing? It's because he was miscast as a center.

This team excels at stifling talent and placing players in positions where their strengths are not maximized.

One of the many confusing things this org does.

 

[BigKing]

Fiala isn't an underachiever, although his playoff numbers aren't great. He is what he is which is perfectly fine.

If he's your leading scorer and the guy you look to transcend a game when you have to have someone do it, you aren't a contender.

Preferring Faber and the pick over Fiala does not equal hating Fiala. Blake put the icing on the cake before the cake was finished.

 

[bland]

Also worth mentioning, Fiala is in the NHL's top 30 in scoring over the last three seasons with 230 points in 233 games and ranks 49th in goals with 85 goals, and 31st in assists with 145 helpers.

Sure, he can be mind numbingly frustrating to watch, but Kempe was also in the same boat, and a ton of people here wanted to get rid of him before he broke out as a top six forward. And do you guys remember why Kempe wasn't producing? It's because he was miscast as a center.

This team excels at stifling talent and placing players in positions where their strengths are not maximized.

Interesting choice to make sure you included his career year in Minnesota for this argument.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Interesting choice to make sure you included his career year in Minnesota for this argument.

It's when he hit his stride, and he's had back-to-back 70+ point seasons with the Kings.

Even with his career-year in Minnesota removed, Fiala is a top 50 player in the NHL (tied for 39th overall in points).