Speculation: Fire Rob Blake Blow it Up Offseason Thread (update: Robitaille, Blake and Hiller stay)

[johnjm22]

It's a sign of desperation.

I am certain that there was a strong character recommendation from Bergevin, but this is perfectly in line with Blake's standard negotiations from a position of weakness.

There were 6 other teams trying to sign him.

What if Blake paid 3.8M with the intention of playing Edmundson on the second pair, or with Doughty?

Edmundson is going to play what,7 minutes a night. Lot of money for what he will bring at slightly marginally better than Englund.

They brought him in specifically to be Clarke's D partner. He'll be seeing double digits TOI.

They think he's a lot better than Englund.

 

[LAKings88]

There were 6 other teams trying to sign him.



They brought him in specifically to be Clarke's D partner. He'll be seeing double digits TOI.

They think he's a lot better than Englund.

They also said PLD was their guy.

 

[Trash Panda]

There were 6 other teams trying to sign him.



They brought him in specifically to be Clarke's D partner. He'll be seeing double digits TOI.

They think he's a lot better than Englund.

(They) are inept at best when it comes to professional scouting.

Edmundson is oft injured like Matt Greene was at the end of his career, and the gas he has in the tank for his healthy games is significantly diminished.

The idea of him is great, but that’s where the good news ends.

 

[FSL KINGS]

They also said PLD was their guy.

They didn't just say it. They bet almost 70 million on it.

 

[Schrute farms]

They also said PLD was their guy.

Zing!
And...Campbell was their guy. Fiala was their guy and they needed to trade Faber (& a FRP) to do so.
Fool me once....

 

[bland]

There were 6 other teams trying to sign him.

And not one offered a better deal.

 

[Sol]

To be fair John you were all over PLD when the deal went down.

 

[MonkeysUncle]

There were 6 other teams trying to sign him.



They brought him in specifically to be Clarke's D partner. He'll be seeing double digits TOI.

They think he's a lot better than Englund.

Well considering Englund had up to last played , what 40 games in the nhl, I would hope he's better, it just not that's he's $3.8x 4 better. Just cuz there were other teams interested, doesn't mean you had to be the stupid one to sign him to that contract. There was the whole summer to get an Ld3.

 

[johnjm22]

And not one offered a better deal.

Well yeah. I mean that's how it works. The team that offers the best deal gets the signing.

Sounded to me like the Kings offering 4 years is what got him to commit to LA.

They also said PLD was their guy.

Something may change, but they brought Edmundson in to play with Clarke. That's the plan.

 

[SmytheKing]

Well yeah. I mean that's how it works. The team that offers the best deal gets the signing.

Sounded to me like the Kings offering 4 years is what got him to commit to LA.


Something may change, but they brought Edmundson in to play with Clarke. That's the plan.

I think you're kind of proving bland's point. He said it was desperation and you countered, at the end, with "no it's that the Kings were offering something that no other team wanted to do." That's kinda the point.

Blake was desperate to get a guy like this so he overpaid to get him instead of saying "you don't want to come here for the same deal (or less) than other teams are offering...we'll look somewhere else."

 

[kingpest19]

 

[johnjm22]

I think you're kind of proving bland's point. He said it was desperation and you countered, at the end, with "no it's that the Kings were offering something that no other team wanted to do." That's kinda the point.

Blake was desperate to get a guy like this so he overpaid to get him instead of saying "you don't want to come here for the same deal (or less) than other teams are offering...we'll look somewhere else."

Semantics.

This is how it always works in free agency. There's a market rate. The team willing to go above the market rate gets the signing. It's more so standard operating procedure than it is desperation.

Only real exceptions are when a guy wants to go to a particular location so contract isn't the main factor.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Pavelski retired.

King's need to hire him as a skills coach & get him working with the kids on tips.

 

[Telos]

Pavelski retired.

King's need to hire him as a skills coach & get him working with the kids on tips.

That would be crazy for all fanbases. That would be like the Sharks hiring Dustin Brown in the same role.

 

[FSL KINGS]

That would be crazy for all fanbases. That would be like the Sharks hiring Dustin Brown in the same role.

Guy can tip pucks & is amazing net front. Don't care.

Edit: yes, Pavelski tipping pucks & them zipping right past the King's was traumatizing for almost 2 decades.

 

[Statto]

Pavelski retired.

King's need to hire him as a skills coach & get him working with the kids on tips.

Skilled guy. Has little correlation as to whether he can coach OHL players let alone NHL ones.

I can coach tips if that’s what is needed . Ok, maybe at pee wee….

 

[FSL KINGS]

Skilled guy. Has little correlation as to whether he can coach OHL players let alone NHL ones.

I can coach tips if that’s what is needed . Ok, maybe at pee wee….

More of his workout routine & teaching positioning. Teaching the kids what he puts in every day to get to that level.

 

[Statto]

More of his workout routine & teaching positioning. Teaching the kids what he puts in every day to get to that level.

But you are assuming he can teach. Hey he might get be the next best thing but skill doesn’t mean they can coach. Gretzky point in case.

 

[FSL KINGS]

But you are assuming he can teach. Hey he might get be the next best thing but skill doesn’t mean they can coach. Gretzky point in case.

He should be able to run the drills he practiced daily with the players that go to the net. Even if he is bad at teaching,

Kempe, he had all the ability, but it wasn't until he spent the time & developed his shot on the PP & on the rush, that he broke out. A lot of these players have skills they can improve.

Seeing someone like Pavelski that put the time in to be one of the best in the league at tipping pucks might get through to a couple of players. It's worth a shot for a player like Byfield who should be terrorizing the opponents creases.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

He should be able to run the drills he practiced daily with the players that go to the net. Even if he is bad at teaching,

Kempe, he had all the ability, but it wasn't until he spent the time & developed his shot on the PP & on the rush, that he broke out. A lot of these players have skills they can improve.

Seeing someone like Pavelski that put the time in to be one of the best in the league at tipping pucks might get through to a couple of players. It's worth a shot for a player like Byfield who should be terrorizing the opponents creases.

Running drills DOES NOT EQUAL teaching...in any way shape or form.....

 

[FSL KINGS]

Running drills DOES NOT EQUAL teaching...in any way shape or form.....

The main point being, seeing one of the best in the league & the effort they put in to be the best and the impact that will have on a young & developing player.

In the very near future, Clarke is going to be on the point with good playmaking skills & a weak shot. Byfield will be in the center of the ice. Byfield getting the message & improving his tips would have a massive impact on the King's game.

Maybe Pavelski can't teach how he became one of the best. Maybe guys like Byfield won't be able to have the skills to pick it up. It's still worth a shot to bring someone in like that. Just fly Pavelski's family out for a week or two at the start of camp, pay him some cash & have him run drills. Why do we have Stoll as a skills coach? Oh yeah, he's good at faceoffs.

How is this a radical idea? Realize it's post draft summer, but y'all need to step it up.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

The main point being, seeing one of the best in the league & the effort they put in to be the best and the impact that will have on a young & developing player.

In the very near future, Clarke is going to be on the point with good playmaking skills & a weak shot. Byfield will be in the center of the ice. Byfield getting the message & improving his tips would have a massive impact on the King's game.

Maybe Pavelski can't teach how he became one of the best. Maybe guys like Byfield won't be able to have the skills to pick it up. It's still worth a shot to bring someone in like that. Just fly Pavelski's family out for a week or two at the start of camp, pay him some cash & have him run drills. Why do we have Stoll as a skills coach? Oh yeah, he's good at faceoffs.

How is this a radical idea? Realize it's post draft summer, but y'all need to step it up.

Explain why Gretzky isn't running drills/teaching players please.....or Lidstrom, or Lemieux....or Bourque...or Chelios.....etc....

Again, JUST because you are good at something, doesn't mean you can teach it to anyone else.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Explain why Gretzky isn't running drills/teaching players please.....or Lidstrom, or Lemieux....or Bourque...or Chelios.....etc....

Again, JUST because you are good at something, doesn't mean you can teach it to anyone else.

I will give you that Stoll was unable to teach Vilardi how to win a faceoff or the importance of trying to practice them.

King's made a $30,000,000 investment into 55. Why wouldn't they spend a fraction of that to help improve that investment?

A skill like tipping the puck comes down to having the eye hand coordination & repetition. It's more about the process & putting the work in. 99 teaching or coaching guys how he sees the game isn't going to work because he sees it differently.

Is Byfield going to turn into Pavelski? Nope. Does he have room to improve his game?

What's amazing is there's actually blow back here about bringing in someone to try & help out with work ethic & on ice skills. Can't wait for Blake to trade Mikey + Kaliyev for Laine then fail to re-sign Gavrikov resulting in Edmondson to be the best LD so we have something to actually complain about.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I will give you that Stoll was unable to teach Vilardi how to win a faceoff or the importance of trying to practice them.

King's made a $30,000,000 investment into 55. Why wouldn't they spend a fraction of that to help improve that investment?

A skill like tipping the puck comes down to having the eye hand coordination & repetition. It's more about the process & putting the work in. 99 teaching or coaching guys how he sees the game isn't going to work because he sees it differently.

Is Byfield going to turn into Pavelski? Nope. Does he have room to improve his game?

What's amazing is there's actually blow back here about bringing in someone to try & help out with work ethic & on ice skills. Can't wait for Blake to trade Mikey + Kaliyev for Laine then fail to re-sign Gavrikov resulting in Edmondson to be the best LD so we have something to actually complain about.

No one is saying not to bring anyone in, but you want to bring in someone because they are at good at something, you have ZERO idea if they can TEACH what they are good at, and THAT is what matters, not that they are good at it...

 

[FSL KINGS]

No one is saying not to bring anyone in, but you want to bring in someone because they are at good at something, you have ZERO idea if they can TEACH what they are good at, and THAT is what matters, not that they are good at it...

You have zero idea if he can't teach what made him successful. What's the downside? Fly the guys family out for a vacation & he shows up for a few days at camp & shows his routine that made him one of the best.

There is a way to find out if it would have an impact. Just do it. Then you know.