Fire Luke Richardson

[hockeydoug]

The only forwards I care about are Bedard, Teuvo, and Dickinson. I don't think there's much of a future with any of the rest of them so it's inconsequential to me if LuRich is handling them like a dufus or not.

The coach and the rest of these players will be gone by the time it matters. Stack Bedard's line and focus on our young defense this season because this collection of forwards couldn't be less important to our future.

I do wish Brodie never saw the ice again already but he was a Vet UFA signing so it's not shocking to me he's getting reps.

Hopefully you're right but I think most of the roster will carry over year to year. They're not going to undo 2+ years of LR influence in a year.

The standard I see right now is to "play the right way", most of the time, like one of the vets that can maybe clear waivers.

Young players skating on eggshells, moving or freezing violently at varying speeds like a squirrel in traffic (KK with the puck last year), instead of making decisions is not a culture I want young players coming up in.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Hopefully you're right but I think most of the roster will carry over year to year. They're not going to undo 2+ years of LR influence in a year.

The standard I see right now is to "play the right way", most of the time, like one of the vets that can maybe clear waivers.

Young players skating on eggshells, moving or freezing violently at varying speeds like a squirrel in traffic (KK with the puck last year), instead of making decisions is not a culture I want young players coming up in.

He seems to be doing fine with Vlassic, Kaiser, and Allen no? Maybe Kurashev is too worried about getting scratched so he doesn't know what to do with the puck, but maybe he just doesn't have the NHL wherewithal to make heads up plays consistently especially when slotted into the top 6.

I don't think he's that good of a player. He's 25 years old with 272 games under his belt now. Maybe he needs to play with more talent, since there's a clear shortage of that on our crappy roster but under no circumstance should he be bumping out Teuvo as the LH RW next to Bedard.

 

[TheFridge]

Not defending him, but do we know there was a conversation and the way he responded is a reason to scratch him as message?

Richardson said they did talk and he took the news as well as you could have hoped. Said the right things. Blah blah blah. At the end of the day, the scratch is just unreasonable and stupid. There's no justification for it. Kurashev isn't some rookie at this point. If he had a bad game, you address it and move on and if Kurashev continues to struggle/not listen/whatever, then you scratch him to send a stronger message.

 

[Hawkaholic]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1848833188086346205

 

[BobbyJet]

So you're not even saying you agree with LR's decision to bench Kurashev, just that he's somehow above having his decisions criticized here? Good to know.

As has been pointed out to you before, this board exists for fans to come on and talk all things Hawks. You voice your own opinions, but constantly tell others they are wrong to do the same.

And if moving Hall from the second line to the first line isn't promoting him, what is it?

Richardson is an old school coach. Sure, lets discuss but to constantly call for him to be fired at this point is premature.
As for Hall. No, it's not a promotion. For the umpteenth time it's a move to give Bedard some breathing room on the ice and as an added bonus to get a former first round pick who has missed close to an entire season at 31 yrs old a little boost on the scoreboard and in his confidence. Hall is a north/south type of player. When he arrived in Chicago the coach rightly chose to line him up with Bedard. IMO, that experiment needs to be continued.
Why is this so difficult to understand??

 

[statswatcher]

Why is this so difficult to understand??

probably because you just wrote almost 100 words attempting to convince us that moving a guy from the second line onto the first line with the best player on the team isn't a promotion.

 

[BobbyJet]

probably because you just wrote almost 100 words attempting to convince us that moving a guy from the second line onto the first line with the best player on the team isn't a promotion.

LOL... I give up. Carry on.

 

[statswatcher]

LOL... I give up. Carry on.

you should give up. explaining the rationale behind why you want to give a guy more minutes with better talent doesn't mean you aren't giving him more minutes with better talent. if you are trying to say that isn't a "promotion", and rather it would only be if you were moving him up the lineup solely on his own merits, then you are just making up a novel definition on the spot for convenience sake, because no one has ever used the term in that narrow a sense.

 

[BobbyJet]

you should give up. explaining the rationale behind why you want to give a guy more minutes with better talent doesn't mean you aren't giving him more minutes with better talent. if you are trying to say that isn't a "promotion", and rather it would only be if you were moving him up the lineup solely on his own merits, then you are just making up a novel definition on the spot for convenience sake, because no one has ever used the term in that narrow a sense.

Why are you so obsessed with "promotion"? You need to look at it from a coaches perspective who wants to make the team better.

 

[statswatcher]

Why are you so obsessed with "promotion"? You need to look at it from a coaches perspective who wants to make the team better.

i don't know why making two posts on the subject comes off to you as obsessive. you asked the question why aren't you being understood. i answered it's probably because you are trying really hard to say that a term doesn't apply when in common usage it seems like it very much should apply. like you could have just said to the other guy "yeah hall should get a promotion for these reasons" and written what you did above. instead, you were the one that took issue over terminology, and decided to make whether or not moving someone up the lineup constitutes a promotion into a point of discussion.

 

[hockeydoug]

He seems to be doing fine with Vlassic, Kaiser, and Allen no? Maybe Kurashev is too worried about getting scratched so he doesn't know what to do with the puck, but maybe he just doesn't have the NHL wherewithal to make heads up plays consistently especially when slotted into the top 6.

I don't think he's that good of a player. He's 25 years old with 272 games under his belt now. Maybe he needs to play with more talent, since there's a clear shortage of that on our crappy roster but under no circumstance should he be bumping out Teuvo as the LH RW next to Bedard.

I'm very biased on LR obviously.

Fair point on Allan. I have no gripes there...but we're just starting.

I'm torn on Kaiser because I think most of the decisions are KD with him given that roster construction, but I'm not sure. I thought Kaiser was getting the same short leash as Reichel and KK had. For his game, I thought he was not managed great but I don't know enough about Kasiser's development and KD's plan to manage the roster mess he created last year. I'll give an incomplete. Fair to suggest LR is fine with Kaiser.

'Fine' with Vlasic is fair and a case can be made there. My opinion about even wanting a different coach for Vlasic comes from a few things. For example, I think it was telling that LR put him on pp1 and never even gave him pp time at practice and he hadn't seen any in 3 years anywhere. Thought it was a bad design for Vlasic to pigeon-hole a young player with a long future into a simplified role while at the same time telling other young dmen to "eff off". It was well enough into the year to give Vlasic more to do rather than to wait for an emergency.

I guess I accidentally gave LR a compliment there too. I have to look up the injury history at the time but he could have given those pp1 shifts Tinordi and didn't.

On Kurashev, if he had any questions about him, they should have been addressed the previous 2 years or 3 coaches. There's alot of bad skating around. Seems like a really odd target to trust him with so much last year and going into this year to pull this a few game in. The contract year thing really gets to me too. I think it's a terrible message to send the players. Kurashev is more accomplished in his role than LR is in his. Not saying a ton for either.

Kurashev is a 4th line+ player on a contender imo. I don't rate him that high but he's a legit NHL talent who wouldn't clear waivers on his cap hit.

 

[TheFridge]

Gotta agree with Bobby here. Switching the lines around isn't intrinsically saying players are being promoted or demoted. You're trying to find combinations that work and that balance your team out as much as possible.

Q used to do that all the time. Whether it was Brouwer/Stalberg on Toews/Kane's wing or finding players to play with Kane after he split them up. I think at times it can be seen as and treated as a promotion but often times you're just trying to find combinations that work.

 

[BobbyJet]

Gotta agree with Bobby here. Switching the lines around isn't intrinsically saying players are being promoted or demoted. You're trying to find combinations that work and that balance your team out as much as possible.

Q used to do that all the time. Whether it was Brouwer/Stalberg on Toews/Kane's wing or finding players to play with Kane after he split them up. I think at times it can be seen as and treated as a promotion but often times you're just trying to find combinations that work.

Just on a side note: A team that can have an established 3 on the first line is not common, even for the best teams. established in that they will be together all season long, barring injury.

 

[statswatcher]

Gotta agree with Bobby here. Switching the lines around isn't intrinsically saying players are being promoted or demoted. You're trying to find combinations that work and that balance your team out as much as possible.

Q used to do that all the time. Whether it was Brouwer/Stalberg on Toews/Kane's wing or finding players to play with Kane after he split them up. I think at times it can be seen as and treated as a promotion but often times you're just trying to find combinations that work.

if moving from the second line to the first line isn't a promotion, what is? i don't see how the reason why a player was moved is relevant.

Just on a side note: A team that can have an established 3 on the first line is not common, even for the best teams. established in that they will be together all season long, barring injury.

so does it only count as a promotion if they are replacing someone who was "established"? why? and who has ever used the word to mean specifically that?

 

[Pez68]

Gotta agree with Bobby here. Switching the lines around isn't intrinsically saying players are being promoted or demoted. You're trying to find combinations that work and that balance your team out as much as possible.

Q used to do that all the time. Whether it was Brouwer/Stalberg on Toews/Kane's wing or finding players to play with Kane after he split them up. I think at times it can be seen as and treated as a promotion but often times you're just trying to find combinations that work.

Perhaps that's true when you have balanced lines with multiple top six talents. This team, does not.