Fire Knoblauch

[Oilhawks]

What's your point? We didn't get to see if Pickard wouldn't have got lit up while Skinner was posting shutouts either.



So he's like most NHL coaches, then? (Except, like, DeBoer and we see how that worked out for him).



Well, they're right. Skinner is technically a better goalie than Pickard, but his issue is consistency.

My point is, you're stating that like he wouldn't have found the first reason to go back to Skinner like he has in the past (Pickard was not injured when he put Stu back in vs Vancouver last year, it was after Pickard's first loss, which wasn't even a bad game).

Most coaches don't wait until the game is out of reach to pull a goalie. An extreme example the other way doesn't prove your point

Pickard is by far the more athletic goalie and has a better xGA. Big dummy goalies aren't the current league meta, you need some athleticism to make clutch saves. This is an org that now pushes its analytics base (Knob includes himself in this self-assessment) and yet they continue to trot out the statistically worse goalie in modern playoff history and shrug their shoulders when he sucks

 

[Oilslick941611]

wtf is wrong with oiler fans?

This thread is ridiculous.

We are in the finals for the 2nd time in a row and fans are acting like its the DOD...Never change HFOil.





I swear to god, some people here would be pissed if we won cup in cup in 6 games because we didn't win it in 4.

 

[McDoused]

At some point I think you just give the hat tip to the Panthers on whatever they are doing right.

Oilers are still the 2nd best team in the league. I dont think you blow things up.

 

[Oilslick941611]

At some point I think you just give the hat tip to the Panthers on whatever they are doing right.

Oilers are still the 2nd best team in the league. I dont think you blow things up.

Panthers get away with murder, but they when they play hockey they are a great team. In game 2 they were gooning it up and losing until they decided to stop and play hockey. Last night they weren't as physical as theyve been and focused on the hockey while our team lost its minds. No one played well last night and the loss is on the team as a whole, but its not a reflection of anything, the panthers lost 8-1 in game 4 last year, 1 game in a series is basically meaningless outside of the W/L column and how you lose or win isn't really of any consequence going forward.

 

[bellagiobob]

Best coach on the Oilers in 30 years isn’t exactly a glowing review, woopedy do. Top 3 in the NHL right now is hilarious. Maybe if he manages to find a pulse and get this team back on track and win this series

Curious who you would rank as the top five coaches in the league.

 

[Little Fury]

My point is, you're stating that like he wouldn't have found the first reason to go back to Skinner like he has in the past (Pickard was not injured when he put Stu back in vs Vancouver last year, it was after Pickard's first loss, which wasn't even a bad game).

Most coaches don't wait until the game is out of reach to pull a goalie. An extreme example the other way doesn't prove your point

Last night's game was out of reach when the score was 2-1. It was never happening for them the way they were playing.

I also don't think either of us is in the know to make the call on who goes next.

 

[Oilhawks]

Curious who you would rank as the top five coaches in the league.

In no particular order:

Quenneville
Cooper
Cassidy
Berube
*spits* Maurice (overrated, but he knows how to play the officials at an elite level, which helped his team get a Cup. Edit: "Cheat, they can't call everything" mentality is their identity. Does this team even have one with this coaching staff?)

 

[LTIR]

Are you offended on behalf of Knob? Didn’t call you anything

I called myself a jerk.. not you.. apologies for the confusion

 

[LTIR]

Best coach on the Oilers in 30 years isn’t exactly a glowing review, woopedy do. Top 3 in the NHL right now is hilarious. Maybe if he manages to find a pulse and get this team back on track and win this series

Kinda like how did in 7 of the 7 previous playoffs series... his only 7 full ones in NHL.

He has a 100% record in getting his team to find a pulse in playoffs.. hoping it continues

 

[bellagiobob]

In no particular order:

Quenneville
Cooper
Cassidy
Berube
*spits* Maurice (overrated, but he knows how to play the officials at an elite level, which helped his team get a Cup. Edit: "Cheat, they can't call everything" mentality is their identity. Does this team even have one with this coaching staff?)

The only one I would take over Knob is Cooper. Interesting that the guy you have at #3 is the guy that Knob dismantled in Rd 2, and last we saw of him he was still blubbering to the league about penalties.

 

[LTIR]

In no particular order:

Quenneville
Cooper
Cassidy
Berube
*spits* Maurice (overrated, but he knows how to play the officials at an elite level, which helped his team get a Cup. Edit: "Cheat, they can't call everything" mentality is their identity. Does this team even have one with this coaching staff?)

None is clear upgrade over Knob.

 

[Oilhawks]

The only one I would take over Knob is Cooper. Interesting that the guy you have at #3 is the guy that Knob dismantled in Rd 2, and last we saw of him he was still blubbering to the league about penalties.

I said in no particular order, to be fair

And for Cassidy, I do agree with Drive that Vegas looked off. Is that on coaching? At least in part, sure. But he also coached them to a Cup 2 years ago

And Quenneville is a HOF coach. Time will tell if he still has the chops, but he looked very good in his last stint with Florida

Berube gets underrated because Armstrong gets overrated. He was a huge part of that Blues Cup win before Armstrong fumbled the roster. What about now? It's the f***ing Leafs lol...not even Scotty Bowman could will that core to a Cup

Kinda like how did in 7 of the 7 previous playoffs series... his only 7 full ones in NHL.

He has a 100% record in getting his team to find a pulse in playoffs.. hoping it continues

My standards for "finding a pulse" in the Finals isn't losing the series in 7, so you could maybe give him 6/7 in that case. Let's hope it becomes 7/8

 

[bellagiobob]

I said in no particular order, to be fair

And for Cassidy, I do agree with Drive that Vegas looked off. Is that on coaching? At least in part, sure. But he also coached them to a Cup 2 years ago

And Quenneville is a HOF coach. Time will tell if he still has the chops, but he looked very good in his last stint with Florida

Berube gets underrated because Armstrong gets overrated. He was a huge part of that Blues Cup win before Armstrong fumbled the roster. What about now? It's the f***ing Leafs lol...not even Scotty Bowman could will that core to a Cup



My standards for "finding a pulse" in the Finals isn't losing the series in 7, so you could maybe give him 6/7 in that case. Let's hope it becomes 7/8

I agree that Cassidy is a good coach, but all we heard before we played LA was that they would easily beat us, same about Vegas and the Dallas. Then when the series is over the experts tell us that those teams looked off, or some other lame excuse. My comment on Cassidy was more about you saying that the thought of Knobs as a top 3 coach was hilarious, and yet you have a guy whose systems Knobs exposed quite badly. But I get it, you aren't a fan of KK, that's fine we all have our favorites. Q was a very good coach, but even in last half dozen or so years in the league, he had a dismal playoff record. I think time has passed him by, but I guess we will see.

 

[Oilhawks]

Let’s see if he can get this team to game 7

 

[bellagiobob]

Let’s see if he can get this team to game 7

At this point is depends far more in 20 players having heart than it does coaching. But he hasn’t made as many good adjustments this round as he has the previous three, and credit to FLA for a lot of that, they are a wagon.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

I think one of the biggest issues with Knobs is we don't keep any line combos the same.

The opposite of a team like FLA and it's killing us.

 

[Oilhawks]

At this point is depends far more in 20 players having heart than it does coaching. But he hasn’t made as many good adjustments this round as he has the previous three, and credit to FLA for a lot of that, they are a wagon.

In the margins, everyone needs to be doing their best. Keeping Stecher in was a mistake, lineups had nothing going and special teams continue to be the nadir of the team

I don’t think Knob is the biggest goat this series, but he hasn’t been very good

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Just all over everywhere, it would be funny, but you know. Don't fire knoblauch

Silly can-sucks

 

[bellagiobob]

In the margins, everyone needs to be doing their best. Keeping Stecher in was a mistake, lineups had nothing going and special teams continue to be the nadir of the team

I don’t think Knob is the biggest goat this series, but he hasn’t been very good

I can count on one hand using zero fingers how many players/coaches have been good enough so far in this series. But at some point, much like our previous opponents eventually came to realize, you have to give credit to the other team for being better than us, and so far they have been.

 

[FlameChampion]

Hopefully they move on from Schwartz, Stuart and Gulutzan.

 

[oobga]

Hopefully they move on from Schwartz, Stuart and Gulutzan.

Zero question that the special teams coaches have run out of ideas. This was evident through the entire season, not just playoffs or the finals.

Schwartz will forever remain a mystery how he kept this job as long as he did.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I wonder if there is some tension between Coffey and KK. The D was tentative all night, not playing Coffey style D and weren't tight at all. It almost looked like KK wanted them playing a safe game and Coffey wanted them pressing and instead they did neither.

The PK has been an unmitigated disaster most of the year and this playoff vs LA and Florida in particular. McDavid doesnt kill penalties all season yet you're going to add 2-4 minutes per game to his legs come playoff time when we need his offence? I get vs the 5 man forward unit of LA's but after that it makes no sense to me, he has been burnt several times out there on the PK which is porous as ever.

Tactically our breakouts vs Florida play right into Floridas system where the walls are sealed shut.

(note for those who continually get their panties in a knot that someone dares post in a Fire KK thread, this is merely discussion of our coaching foibles in this series, read into it what you will)

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Just all over everywhere, it would be funny, but you know. Don't fire knoblauch

Silly can-sucks

?

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I wonder if there is some tension between Coffey and KK. The D was tentative all night, not playing Coffey style D and weren't tight at all. It almost looked like KK wanted them playing a safe game and Coffey wanted them pressing and instead they did neither.

Further to my point.