Player Discussion Fire Dustin Schwartz

[VeteranPresence]

I love fans thinking they know stuff.

What are the "fans" missing? He seems to be mediocre at his craft at best yet untouchable for the better part of ten years- longer than any other coach or front office person.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

What are the "fans" missing? He seems to be mediocre at his craft at best yet untouchable for the better part of ten years- longer than any other coach or front office person.

Must be his buddy.

There is zero excuse for DS to be here still. Just collecting his $$ while being beyond mediocre. I don't blame him. Who wouldn't want to be a freeloader?

 

[AM]

What are the "fans" missing? He seems to be mediocre at his craft at best yet untouchable for the better part of ten years- longer than any other coach or front office person.

The fans are missing any direct knowledge.

 

[VeteranPresence]

The fans are missing any direct knowledge.

The only knowledge that matters is performance, and Oilers goaltending has never been even consistently average under Schwartz. That's it, that's all the org should care about. If they are using any other factors to determine his suitability for the job they are in the wrong and are making winning even harder on themselves than it already is.

 

[jukon]

Prepare for a total meltdown when Oilers shore up our goaltending with Schwartz's fav Tristan Jarry.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The fans are missing any direct knowledge.

And what praytell are we missing? An entire decade of substandard goaltending save for one year, and there's the fact that he very likely scouted Jack Campbell. There's no reason to keep this guy.

 

[AM]

Must be his buddy.

There is zero excuse for DS to be here still. Just collecting his $$ while being beyond mediocre. I don't blame him. Who wouldn't want to be a freeloader?

You must be his ex wife.

Or at least the vitriol is similar.

 

[NegativeNelly]

The guy before Dustin Schwartz held the position for an extremely long time, 6+ years and had no results either. Obviously the team thinks anyone can be the goalie coach since results dont matter

 

[brentashton]

Prepare for a total meltdown when Oilers shore up our goaltending with Schwartz's fav Tristan Jarry.

It would be justified.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Prepare for a total meltdown when Oilers shore up our goaltending with Schwartz's fav Tristan Jarry.

It would be complete understandable and even with a 50% retention, there's a no chance they're looking that way. There's no Jack Campbell to trade the other way this year.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

You must be his ex wife.

Or at least the vitriol is similar.

Why should he keep his job?

It says a lot when Mike Smith actively ignored him.

 

[VeteranPresence]

You must be his ex wife.

Or at least the vitriol is similar.

So you come into the thread, insist there's a valid reason no one but the inside circle knows about for keeping someone objectively bad at their job employed, and then won't offer it. I am guessing there is a relation ITT, but it's not anyone's ex-spouse.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

You must be his ex wife.

Or at least the vitriol is similar.

?? No he needs to be fired, he's been here since 2014, there has been a consistent problem here since then....he needs to go, it's very clear.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

You must support getting free money. Doing nothing to get it. Substandard work. I don't find any pride in that

I would love being your employee. To defend this guy with no results. You would be a great boss to work for lol

You must be his ex wife.

Or at least the vitriol is similar.

Being his ex wouldn't be bad actually. Ex hubby picks his nose with no results and he's getting paid, so therefore, I am getting half of that. Gravy train baby

 

[AM]

So you come into the thread, insist there's a valid reason no one but the inside circle knows about for keeping someone objectively bad at their job employed, and then won't offer it. I am guessing there is a relation ITT, but it's not anyone's ex-spouse.

Well I think they want to win and hire people to help them win. That would make sense to me.

?? No he needs to be fired, he's been here since 2014, there has been a consistent problem here since then....he needs to go, it's very clear.

I imagine the people who hire him aren’t of your opinion.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Well I think they want to win and hire people to help them win. That would make sense to me.


I imagine the people who hire him aren’t of your opinion.

The people who hired him are one of those 6 city workers that you see watching 2 other guys work.

Welfare loving kind. Don't like an honest days of work to earn their money.

 

[McAsuno]

Who the f*** can still defend Schwartz in this stage? Seriously.

• Negative GSAx in 7/10 seasons.
• 6th-worst GSAx under him (all 5 worse have fired goalie coaches)
• Survived 5 coaching changes.
• Survived 3 GM changes (4 if you count interim)
• Was a huge factor within the organization on advocating signing the bust of a contract and player in Jack Campbell.
• Former goalie in Mike Smith hired his own goalie coach to work with during a previous summer rather than having to work with Schwartz.

Even if Schwartz isn’t the problem, every other part of the organization has had turnover from the last decade to now, and he hasn’t exactly helped improved any goalie's performance which is the job of a coach in the first place. Every single goalie I've seen under his coaching has had the same issues. First or second shot = goal against, makes the goalie look smaller in net, and etc.

He DESERVED to be booed from the crowd here when the announcer announced his name for the 1st game this season.
Fire this incompetent dipshit.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Well I think they want to win and hire people to help them win. That would make sense to me.

But anyone who would have been involved in hiring him ten years ago (outside Katz) is no longer with the org. What has he done since to justify that he is the best person in his area of specialty to help them win?

Who the f*** can still defend Schwartz in this stage? Seriously.

• Negative GSAx in 7/10 seasons.
• 6th-worst GSAx under him (all 5 worse have fired goalie coaches)
• Survived 5 coaching changes.
• Survived 3 GM changes (4 if you count interim)
• Was a huge factor within the organization on advocating signing the bust of a contract and player in Jack Campbell.
• Former goalie in Mike Smith hired his own goalie coach to work with during a previous summer rather than having to work with Schwartz.

Even if Schwartz isn’t the problem, every other part of the organization has had turnover from the last decade to now, and he hasn’t exactly helped improved any goalie's performance which is the job of a coach in the first place. Every single goalie I've seen under his coaching has had the same issues. First or second shot = goal against, makes the goalie look smaller in net, and etc.

He DESERVED to be booed from the crowd here when the announcer announced his name for the 1st game this season.
Fire this incompetent dipshit.

Bravo.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Well I think they want to win and hire people to help them win. That would make sense to me.


I imagine the people who hire him aren’t of your opinion.

Kevin Lowe is still with the Oilers, by the way.

 

[AM]

But anyone who would have been involved in hiring him ten years ago (outside Katz) is no longer with the org. What has he done since to justify that he is the best person in his area of specialty to help them win?



Bravo.

Somebody signs his paycheques on an ongoing basis.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Somebody signs his paycheques on an ongoing basis.

Okay? The Oilers aren't a model organization by any means. Incompetent employees tend get the boot, not a paycheque.

 

[Zerotonine]

All i know is if we dont make a move this deadline to shore up are goaltending and goaltending costs us again thisnyears playoffs the fans ate gonna straight lose it. And Schwartz will be tye new Kevin lowe target from are decade of darkness. And I think this will be even more ugly . There is absolutely 0 reason other then fking goaltending why we don't have atleast 1 cup over the last 3 or 4 seasons .....

 

[VeteranPresence]

Somebody signs his paycheques on an ongoing basis.

Sure they are, but that doesn't mean Schwartz is the best person for the job. In fact, the results pointedly paint the opposite picture as @McAsuno demonstrated. If he's being kept around for any reason other than performance, he's being kept around for the wrong reasons. That goes with anyone in OEG.

 

[FiveFourteenSixOne]

And what praytell are we missing? An entire decade of substandard goaltending save for one year, and there's the fact that he very likely scouted Jack Campbell. There's no reason to keep this guy.

How he's lasted this long is baffling, and wonders if there is some kind of nepotism at play that isn't public knowledge.

I mean Jesus, Woodcroft got turfed due to a short lived, but historically bad run of PDO luck (including HORRIBLE goaltending **looking at your Schwartz!**), but this guy is still employed?

 

[CanadasTeam99]

How he's lasted this long is baffling, and wonders if there is some kind of nepotism at play that isn't public knowledge.

I mean Jesus, Woodcroft got turfed due to a short lived, but historically bad run of PDO luck (including HORRIBLE goaltending **looking at your Schwartz!**), but this guy is still employed?

The only logical thing is that he is being kept around as a favor. It's obviously not his performance that is keeping him around.

Maybe he is a fun guy to be around. Some employers will choose that over performance.