Player Discussion Fire Dustin Schwartz

[iCanada]

No he wasn't. His save percentage still ended up being a mediocre .905 and he couldn't even crack the top 35 GSAA even the team in front of him was the hottest team in the NHL for like 80% of the season.

The Oilers succeeded in spite of Skinner, not because of him.

And you know... Winning a playoffs series against Vancouver with the lowest save percentage recorded in the history of the league since 1975...

Skinner had a save percentage so low when we actually got to the finals that only Kelly Hrudey had ever been dragged to the finals with one that low since the NHL started to record the stat.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

And you know... Winning a playoffs series against Vancouver with the lowest save percentage recorded in the history of the league since 1975...

Skinner had a save percentage so low when we actually got to the finals that only Kelly Hrudey had ever been dragged to the finals with one that low since the NHL started to record the stat.

But we got to the Finals. Who cares about the rest of it. If the team had won game 7 would anyone seriously be pointing out Skinner's stats?

 

[CanadasTeam99]

No he wasn't. His save percentage still ended up being a mediocre .905 and he couldn't even crack the top 35 GSAA even the team in front of him was the hottest team in the NHL for like 80% of the season.

The Oilers succeeded in spite of Skinner, not because of him.

I don't think you will ever convince the minority of this lol. Skinner came along for the ride. i DREAM of the day we can upgrade on him if we want any chance at another run

But we got to the Finals. Who cares about the rest of it. If the team had won game 7 would anyone seriously be pointing out Skinner's stats?

YES

lol.

We would won that IN SPITE of him. I would not be happy with just 1 cup if we won

 

[iCanada]

But we got to the Finals. Who cares about the rest of it. If the team had won game 7 would anyone seriously be pointing out Skinner's stats?

What do you mean who cares?

The NHL playoffs are a war of attrition. Imagine we sweep the Kings, beat the Canucks in 5 or 6, and then best the Stars in 5.

How many injuries do we avoid? Does that mean Draisaitl doesn't have a broken hand/wrist or broken ribs and can shoot? Does that mean Hyman is less banged up? Does that mean McDavid avoids the hip injury? That Kane gets enough rest that he can sit on the bench and play some effective shifts?

Even just one of those is potentially game breaking in game 7. And even outside of that - how much more juice do the boys just have in game 7 if you take away 4 of the 24 games they'd played in the last two months? That's a 17% reduction in work load/ wear and tear that's replaced with a 17% increased amount of time spent recovering. That's multiplicative; less fatigue and more recovery.

.... And that's not even considering that we probably don't go down 3-0 in the first place if Skinner wasn't so thoroughly outclassed by Bobrovsky in the first place.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

What do you mean who cares?

The NHL playoffs are a war of attrition. Imagine we sweep the Kings, beat the Canucks in 5 or 6, and then best the Stars in 5.

How many injuries do we avoid? Does that mean Draisaitl doesn't have a broken hand/wrist or broken ribs and can shoot? Does that mean Hyman is less banged up? Does that mean McDavid avoids the hip injury? That Kane gets enough rest that he can sit on the bench and play some effective shifts?

Even just one of those is potentially game breaking in game 7. And even outside of that - how much more juice do the boys just have in game 7 if you take away 4 of the 24 games they'd played in the last two months? That's a 17% reduction in work load/ wear and tear that's replaced with a 17% increased amount of time spent recovering. That's multiplicative; less fatigue and more recovery.

.... And that's not even considering that we probably don't go down 3-0 in the first place if Skinner wasn't so thoroughly outclassed by Bobrovsky in the first place.

Florida went to the Finals the previous year, they still seemed fine when the Finals rolled around despite playing one less game than we did in the playoffs.

As for the 3-0 deficit, hard to win when your team scores 4 goals in 3 games. The playoffs is a war of attrition, you're absolutely right. It's naive to simply think "Well we could've beaten this team in less games", especially the Dallas Stars who were probably the best team in the entire conference (and possibly the league) and favoured to win the series.

If Skinner was as bad as people claim he is, we don't even sniff the Finals. Dallas would've put us out of our misery.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Another game where Skinner is far and away the worst goalie on the ice. He shouldn’t see the net again for a good while, or however long it takes to unprogram whatever nonsense Schwartz has put in his head all these years.

 

[foshizzle]

What you DUDE dont seem to get is may the fact that a career NHL backup /AHL'e and a late 2nd rounder, extremely limited athletically goalie cant stop the puck is maybe cause they're just shitty and it not on the coach.
These other guys have had Schwartz when they were good. As well as other goalie coaches.
I guess nuance is lost on you BRO.

Lol, because it’s just Skinner he coached…bro

 

[fuswald]

Gotta keep this thread at the top.

Need a new goalie coach. Old one is rotton (was always bad)
May need a new goalie. Too much goalie coach rot.

 

[Jumptheshark]

why hasn't

Olivier Rodrigue​

Been giving a chance yet--he loses waiver exemption after this year

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

For those who want to trade for a different goalie, just remember that Schwartz scouts and calls all the shots. He has the proficiency of Tobias Reider.

 

[Soundwave]

Florida went to the Finals the previous year, they still seemed fine when the Finals rolled around despite playing one less game than we did in the playoffs.

As for the 3-0 deficit, hard to win when your team scores 4 goals in 3 games. The playoffs is a war of attrition, you're absolutely right. It's naive to simply think "Well we could've beaten this team in less games", especially the Dallas Stars who were probably the best team in the entire conference (and possibly the league) and favoured to win the series.

If Skinner was as bad as people claim he is, we don't even sniff the Finals. Dallas would've put us out of our misery.

Oilers scored 5 goals combined in games 1/2/3 versus San Jose in 2017 ... they had a 2-1 lead in the series because Talbot was outstanding.

Skinner had Dan Cloutier stats through 2 rounds on the playoffs (not figuratively, literally), it's amazing the team even made it to the Conference Finals.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Oilers scored 5 goals combined in games 1/2/3 versus San Jose in 2017 ... they had a 2-1 lead in the series because Talbot was outstanding.

Skinner had Dan Cloutier stats through 2 rounds on the playoffs, it's amazing the team even made it to the Conference Finals.

Winning when scoring 2 goals is rare. Winning when scoring only once is even rarer. Winning when you don't score at all doesn't happen. But I'll bite. Here's the number of goals Skinner allowed in the conference Finals: 2, 2, 4, 2, 1, 1. Skinner beat one of the top scoring teams in the league and bested Jake Oettinger. I don't know why he gets zero credit for that.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Even just for f***ing optics, SO LONG overdue.

 

[Soundwave]

Winning when scoring 2 goals is rare. Winning when scoring only once is even rarer. Winning when you don't score at all doesn't happen. But I'll bite. Here's the number of goals Skinner allowed in the conference Finals: 2, 2, 4, 2, 1, 1. Skinner beat one of the top scoring teams in the league and bested Jake Oettinger. I don't know why he gets zero credit for that.

The team should have been eliminated before the Conference Finals due to Skinner.

Cloutier level goaltending would sink most teams even great ones.

https://forums.hfboards.com/attachments/screenshot-2024-05-12-at-11-42-47-pm-png.869724/

The hope would have been that Skinner learned something from the playoffs and maybe would grow this year ... but so far ... f*** no. Same ol' garbage, dude worked on nothing at all in his game over the summer, still moves like the Titanic in net.

If you need 4 bad playoff rounds to finally have a good one ... I'm sorry, but you're not good enough and you're not going to get any praise for doing that either. If he's sitting around waiting for a cookie/prize for having 1/5 good playoff rounds he can go f*** right off.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The team should have been eliminated before the Conference Finals due to Skinner.

Cloutier level goaltending would sink most teams even great ones.

https://forums.hfboards.com/attachments/screenshot-2024-05-12-at-11-42-47-pm-png.869724/

The hope would have been that Skinner learned something from the playoffs and maybe would grow this year ... but so far ... f*** no. Same ol' garbage, dude worked on nothing at all in his game over the summer, still moves like the Titanic in net.

I don't care about hypotheticals, but if you want to go in that direction, if the team scores more than 1 in 3/4 losses maybe we're having a much different conversation today. You were really asking Skinner to shut out the Eastern Conference's best team. Coincidentally, when the Panthers only scored 1 time they didn't win either.

 

[Soundwave]

I don't care about hypotheticals, but if you want to go in that direction, if the team scores more than 1 in 3/4 losses maybe we're having a much different conversation today. You were really asking Skinner to shut out the Eastern Conference's best team. Coincidentally, when the Panthers only scored 1 time they didn't win either.

Again if this bozo wants a prize/cookie for having 1 good playoff round out of 5 series, including 4 where he was statistically one of the worst goalies in the modern history of the NHL ... he can go kiss my ass.

The amount of shit this team puts up with in net is unbelievable.

 

[AM]

Weird, Dubnyk became a stud... after he left the team. Certainly not the Oilers fault, no way.

But here's some more food for thought, bobby. Think about the most common criticisms of Skinner. First shot goes in, bad glove, etc... Weren't those the same things we roasted Koskinen for? And Talbot?

Dubnyk was more plug than stud after he left. It’s only when he hit rock bottom that he addressed some shortcomings.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Again if this bozo wants a prize/cookie for having 1 good playoff round out of 5 series, including 4 where he was statistically one of the worst goalies in the modern history of the NHL ... he can go kiss my ass.

The amount of shit this team puts up with in net is unbelievable.

He was fine in the Finals. Not amazing, fine. Again, you're asking the next to impossible. He was fine in the Kings series too. He wasn't good against Vancouver, I'll give that much. But again, it's extremely hard to win hockey games when you score a single goal. If it was so easy the Panthers would've swept us.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Winning when scoring 2 goals is rare. Winning when scoring only once is even rarer. Winning when you don't score at all doesn't happen. But I'll bite. Here's the number of goals Skinner allowed in the conference Finals: 2, 2, 4, 2, 1, 1. Skinner beat one of the top scoring teams in the league and bested Jake Oettinger. I don't know why he gets zero credit for that.

Because every squirrel finds a nut some time. I would rather have a more balanced goalie. Scoring 4+ goals to win is also not sustainable. Something we need to do with Skinner.

Lets just give it another month or two. The Skinner defenders will slowly fall off.

 

[Soundwave]

He was fine in the Finals. Not amazing, fine. Again, you're asking the next to impossible. He was fine in the Kings series too. He wasn't good against Vancouver, I'll give that much. But again, it's extremely hard to win hockey games when you score a single goal. If it was so easy the Panthers would've swept us.

He was statistically the worst starting goalie in modern NHL through his first 4 playoff rounds.

This bozo needed to be carried to his 5th round in the playoffs before he finally gave the team a good round of play.

5 ROUNDS. It's a miracle they did not get eliminated early in 2024 playoffs.

Stop sugar coating it.

He's shit again to start this season, dude makes a Cup Final, you would think some maturity would dawn on him, some work ethic (maybe lose a few pounds there and put down the cheeseburgers), but NOPE. Starts the season again like dog shit even though the team is doing everything they can to supress high danger chances.

Now he's crying because his numbers are shit and it's probably dawning on him he's not going to get a big contract extension and snapping at teammates because of it. f*** this guy, lol. He's lucky his only competetion was a head case in Campbell and Pickard who's an AHL goalie because any real NHL goalie would put Skinner in the defacto back up role very quickly.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Again if this bozo wants a prize/cookie for having 1 good playoff round out of 5 series, including 4 where he was statistically one of the worst goalies in the modern history of the NHL ... he can go kiss my ass.

The amount of shit this team puts up with in net is unbelievable.

Yet you have people who go to war for this guy lolll. He seems like a genuine good dude. I don't care about that. I am waking up everyday hoping he gets demoted to backup and we find somebody else or he is traded.

Such low standard in Edmonton when it comes to goalies. BuT Hee Haad ThAtt ONE gOoD SeRieS!

 

[Canovin]

why hasn't

Olivier Rodrigue​

Been giving a chance yet--he loses waiver exemption after this year

He got lit up in preseason. But yes, I'm all for giving him some games.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Because every squirrel finds a nut some time. I would rather have a more balanced goalie. Scoring 4+ goals to win is also not sustainable. Something we need to do with Skinner.

Lets just give it another month or two. The Skinner defenders will slowly fall off.

I'm not saying score 4+ a game. I'm saying get to three and more often than not you win the game. Why is the goalie being blamed for games where the offense didn't piss a drop? Is he supposed to contribute offensively?

He was statistically the worst starting goalie in modern NHL through his first 4 playoff rounds.

This bozo needed to be carried to his 5th round in the playoffs before he finally gave the team a good round of play.

5 ROUNDS. It's a miracle they did not get eliminated early in 2024 playoffs.

Stop sugar coating it.

He's shit again to start this season, dude makes a Cup Final, you would think some maturity would dawn on him, some work ethic (maybe lose a few pounds there and put down the cheeseburgers), but NOPE. Starts the season again like dog shit even though the team is doing everything they can to supress high danger chances.

Now he's crying because his numbers are shit and it's probably dawning on him he's not going to get a big contract extension and snapping at teammates because of it. f*** this guy, lol.

Great, bring in the next goalie for Schwartz to ruin. It's definitely not his fault that goaltending has struggled for more than a decade.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I'm not saying score 4+ a game. I'm saying get to three and more often than not you win the game. Why is the goalie being blamed for games where the offense didn't piss a drop? Is he supposed to contribute offensively?


Great, bring in the next goalie for Schwartz to ruin. It's definitely not his fault that goaltending has struggled for more than a decade.

Hopefully they do both lol. Get rid of Dustin so he can GTFO and go back to teaching and get a goalie.

At this point, ANYBODY they try that has been better statistically is not a bad move. You can't get worse than already being at the bottom. lol. Besides Georgev.

 

[Soundwave]

I'm not saying score 4+ a game. I'm saying get to three and more often than not you win the game. Why is the goalie being blamed for games where the offense didn't piss a drop? Is he supposed to contribute offensively?


Great, bring in the next goalie for Schwartz to ruin. It's definitely not his fault that goaltending has struggled for more than a decade.

Fine with me, we know what we're getting in Skinner, and he is one of the worst high danger goalies in the NHL.

No goalie coach is going to make this guy move in net, even if Schwartz was great, Skinner doesn't have the athleticism. You might as well ask Henrique to go skate like McDavid, it ain't happening. You either have agility/mobility or you don't.