Proposal: Fire DJ Smith

[bashbros32]

Lol at Forsberg standing on his head. He’s been good but the myth of him playing outstanding has grown to epic proportions. We’ve won 4 games we deserved to win, lost 3 we deserved to lose. We lost the game against Buffalo because we got out goaltendtended, we deserved the win. Toronto was a tossup but Samsonov played better than Forsberg.

Look at the defence we have playing in front of Forsberg. The fact that he's sitting at a .909 is a miracle.

There are only 4 other goalies who have faced near as many (within 25) shots as Forsberg:

Tristan Jarry 4-2-1 3.42 .904
Thatcher Demko 1-6-0 4.06 .876
John Gibson 2-5-0 4.23 .888
Carter Hart 5-0-2 2.10 .943 (The outlier)

Anton Forsberg 3-5-0 3.18 .909

 

[OD99]

I love the Buffalo reference. They have drafted 8, 2, 2, 8, 8, 1, 7, 8, 1, 9 in the last 10 drafts. In that time frame we have drafted Brady, Stu, Sanderson and Boucher in the top 10. Even Detroit who has had terrible lottery luck has 6 straight top 10 picks.

A 9 game sample where we played well for 6 games, not great 1 game and poorly in 2 games should not lead to this level of panic.

Somewhat disingenuous commentary here, same with the Forsberg take.

Sens haven't used 2 of their picks and 1 of them was lucky from trading Karlsson (Jimmy) while we did a complete teardown. Outside of those early picks our 1st rounders haven't been good.

Forsberg has been very good and getting shelled with high danger opportunities, he is a significant reason our record is where it is.

As for the 9 games - what about the last 2 seasons prior? We look like the same disorganized group in our own end despite a nice influx in overall talent and that is ALL on the coach. New players and same old story? How can it be anything other than coaching?

 

[Gil Gunderson]

DJ gotta keep giving this guy 20 minutes a game.

 

[GCK]

Look at the defence we have playing in front of Forsberg. The fact that he's sitting at a .909 is a miracle.

There are only 4 other goalies who have faced near as many (within 25) shots as Forsberg:

Tristan Jarry 4-2-1 3.42 .904
Thatcher Demko 1-6-0 4.06 .876
John Gibson 2-5-0 4.23 .888
Carter Hart 5-0-2 2.10 .943 (The outlier)

Anton Forsberg 3-5-0 3.18 .909

Hart .943, Hellybuck .931, Skinner .955 are all miles ahead with similar saves per 60. Forsberg falls into this list

Lindgren .919
Georgie’s .918
Greiss .915
Stalock .914
Forsberg .909
Jarry .904

 

[GCK]

DJ gotta keep giving this guy 20 minutes a game.

You don’t need to use hyperbole. Zaitsev is getting less even strength minutes than every other D. Yes we would all like Zaitsev to be scratched but come on with “20 minutes a night” bull.

 

[bashbros32]

Hart .943, Hellybuck .931, Skinner .955 are all miles ahead with similar saves per 60. Forsberg falls into this list

Lindgren .919
Georgie’s .918
Greiss .915
Stalock .914
Forsberg .909
Jarry .904

More disingenuous arguments...

Lindgren has started 3 games.
Skinner has started 3 games.
Greiss has started 2 games.
Stalock has face 72 less shots in 2 less games.
Georgiev plays for the defending Stanley Cup champions.

Jarry and Hart I had on my List, Hellebuyk is a Vezina contender every year. To make that comparison is silly.

 

[bashbros32]

Also in retaliation to the "20 minutes a night bull."

I'll just say that, PK or not, Zaitsev has averaged the 2nd most ice time of all of our defenders since Zub went down.

 

[GCK]

More disingenuous arguments...

Lindgren has started 3 games.
Skinner has started 3 games.
Greiss has started 2 games.
Stalock has face 72 less shots in 2 less games.
Georgiev plays for the defending Stanley Cup champions.

Jarry and Hart I had on my List, Hellebuyk is a Vezina contender every year. To make that comparison is silly.

I used saves by 60 how is it disingenuous. Even if you want to take away the guys who have not played 6 games you still have

Hart
Hellybuck
Stalock
Georgiev

Same shots against per game but all with better save %.

I said Forsberg has been good YOU are the one who said he has stood on his head. I’ve shown the stats that show he would be up with Hart and Heelybuck if he had been “standing on his head.

 

[bashbros32]

I used saves by 60 how is it disingenuous. Even if you want to take away the guys who have not played 6 games you still have

Hart
Hellybuck
Stalock
Georgiev

Same shots against per game but all with better save %.

I said Forsberg has been good YOU are the one who said he has stood on his head. I’ve shown the stats that show he would be up with Hart and Heelybuck if he had been “standing on his head.

Because Carter Hart, Connor Hellebuyk and Alex Georgiev are not comparable to Forsberg, at all...

like... not even in the same stratosphere.

It'd be like complaining that Anthony Duclair never scored goals like Alex Ovechkin.

your comparing ferrari's to a freaking ford pinto.

 

[DJB]

Ive been driving the fire DJ wagon all off-season.

Glad to see others on board now.

We have no defensive structure other than “Your closest to the puck so you chase it”. That’s not a system that is going to work.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Ya, he played a lot killing all the TB penalties, as he fired a lot of pucks down ice, after winning we won a draw.
Too many minutes since Zub went down.

Damn, I read your post as hyperbowl, thanks Todd White.

 

[GCK]

Because Carter Hart, Connor Hellebuyk and Alex Georgiev are not comparable to Forsberg, at all...

like... not even in the same stratosphere.

It'd be like complaining that Anthony Duclair never scored goals like Alex Ovechkin.

your comparing ferrari's to a freaking ford pinto.

You literally implied Forsberg was playing like the best goalies. What did you mean when you said he was standing on his head ?

 

[bashbros32]

You literally implied Forsberg was playing like the best goalies. What did you mean when you said he was standing on his head ?

First off, I'm not the one that said Forsberg was standing on his head (@Gil Gunderson was)

However, with a little bit of nuance, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the way Forsberg is playing with OUR defence? He would be posting numbers similar to .920+ with a competent corps.

THAT is how I read "standing on his head"

No he isn't a Vezina candidate, but the guy is playing out of his mind with what he's been given for defenders.

 

[GCK]

Ive been driving the fire DJ wagon all off-season.

Glad to see others on board now.

We have no defensive structure other than “Your closest to the puck so you chase it”. That’s not a system that is going to work.

That’s not really accurate but whatever. The big problem is my opinion is how often a player gets the puck but doesn’t do anything productive with it. In the last 2 games a Sen would get the puck in the D zone but there was either no one within 10 feet of him available for a pass or the pass was missed or not even attempted. This was a strength for most of the first 6 games.

First off, I'm not the one that said Forsberg was standing on his head (@Gil Gunderson was)

However, with a little bit of nuance, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the way Forsberg is playing with OUR defence? He would be posting numbers similar to .920+ with a competent corps.

THAT is how I read "standing on his head"

No he isn't a Vezina candidate, but the guy is playing out of his mind with what he's been given for defenders.

The advanced stats don’t really back that up nor does my eye test. He’s been good, making most of the saves he should. I have no complaints about his play.

Sorry to put Gil’s words in your mouth, my bad.

 

[Xspyrit]

Look at the defence we have playing in front of Forsberg. The fact that he's sitting at a .909 is a miracle.

There are only 4 other goalies who have faced near as many (within 25) shots as Forsberg:

Tristan Jarry 4-2-1 3.42 .904
Thatcher Demko 1-6-0 4.06 .876
John Gibson 2-5-0 4.23 .888
Carter Hart 5-0-2 2.10 .943 (The outlier)

Anton Forsberg 3-5-0 3.18 .909

Same argument I have made for years. Numbers from playing behind the kind of defensive system/group we had the last years would at least result in a 0.10+ SV% on a good defensive team

Fosrberg has been elite since joining Ottawa. He was a top-10 goalie last year

you say "even Detroit has 6 straight top 10 picks"

We have 5 straight, we just didn't use 2 of them.

2018 - 4th
2019 - 4th
2020 - 5th
2021 - 10th
2022 - 7th

2018 - Tkachuk
2019 - Colorado
2020 - Sanderson
2021 - Potential 4th liner
2022 - RFA

That could potentially hurt

Seriously, this rebuild wouldn't be super promising without the Karlsson trade. Thank god for Norris and that 1st round pick that ended up in Stutzle.

 

[bashbros32]

That’s not really accurate but whatever. The big problem is my opinion is how often a player gets the puck but doesn’t do anything productive with it. In the last 2 games a Sen would get the puck in the D zone but there was either no one within 10 feet of him available for a pass or the pass was missed or not even attempted. This was a strength for most of the first 6 games.


The advanced stats don’t really back that up nor does my eye test. He’s been good, making most of the saves he should. I have no complaints about his play.

Sorry to put Gil’s words in your mouth, my bad.

I mean, last season he put up a .917, and the team finished 26th.

It isn't a stretch to say that he could do .920 with a good (competent) D Corps...

We currently have:

a very solid #2, borderline #1.
a #4 who is playing as a #2.
a Rookie who is playing like a #3.
a #6 who is playing as a #4 AND a mentor.
a #5 pp qb who for some reason doesn't qb pp's.
a #7 who is playing as a #6.
and an AHL #6 who, since Zub went down, is playing as a #2.

 

[bashbros32]

Same argument I have made for years. Playing behind the kind of defensive system/group we had the last years would at least result in a 0.10+ SV% on a good defensive team

Fosrberg has been elite since joining Ottawa. He was a top-10 goalie last year



2018 - Tkachuk
2019 - Colorado
2020 - Sanderson
2021 - Potential 4th liner
2022 - RFA

That could potentially hurt

Seriously, this rebuild wouldn't be super promising without the Karlsson trade. Thank god for Norris and that 1st round pick that ended up in Stutzle.

To be fair though, if we didn't make the Karlsson trade, we likely finish 32nd in 2021 and 2022...

end up with at worst:
Luke Hughes or Kent Johnson in 2021
Shane Wright or Cutter Gauthier in 2022

but even if it was Kent Johnson and Shane Wright instead of Stutzle and Norris, Giroux likely doesn't sign, and we likely don't make the DeBrincat trade. So we would be looking at:

Tkachuk - Pinto - Batherson
Formenton - Johnson - Brown
Motte - Wright - Joseph
Kelly - Kastelic - Watson

Who knows how many other things go down differently... Do we let Duclair walk if we don't have his replacement ready to go in Stutzle at the draft in 2020?

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Another last minute goal, this is ridiculous.

 

[Sens Vader]

Done coverage is unbelievably bad

Debrincat Stützle Giroux looks great lol

 

[DylanSensFan]

I voted no, but in reality I think yes. We need a new look behind the bench.

 

[DylanSensFan]

Delete.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

We had one of the easiest schedules in the league too

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I think he's in the hot seat now for sure. Lose 2 of the next 3 and Dorion will call it imo.

 

[bicboi64]

Was pleasantly surprised with DJ's ice time deployment. Sanderson and Brannstrom had more ice time. Just cut a bit more, give the young lads a time to shine and off some pressure off Chabot while he gets his shit together.

 

[Sens Vader]

gotta get rid of him, he just cant coach defense

Or at least replace Cap with someone