Proposal: Fire DJ Smith

[JD1]

Boston fired Cassidy, and thus Krecji came back and DeBrusk then rescinded his trade request. Otherwise they don’t return.

Rumour had it that Pastrnak wasn't going to sign with Cassidy there due to how he treated Krecji

 

[Micklebot]

So, one of the things I distinctly remember coming up frequently when DJ discussed the teams defensive game, whether it be heading into a game or reviewing a game, was a focus on limiting odd man rushes.

Not saying we don't have work to do in that regard but I do recall seeing a tweet that suggested we did pretty good in terms of odd man rush +/-.

On the flip side, a constant issue imo has-been the DZ turnovers. These seem in part to be system driven since we do have the forwards fly the zone to spread out their D, so our D in turn will have less pass options and support in the DZ. That said, it should open up spacesince now instead of ten guys in the DZ, you have 8. I also think there's an element of personnel too, Hamonic specifically was an outlier in terms of DZ giveaways per 60, about 50% higher than the next closest Dman all strengths and 36% 5v5, he was 88% higher than his dpartner Sanderson all strengths and 72% higher 5v5

Pushing Hamonic out of the top 4 should result in significantly fewer D zone giveaways, which should help the goalies out a fair bit.

 

[DJB]

 

[Cosmix]

I wonder what specifically Dorion asked DJ to do? For example, did he ask DJ to tighten up the forwards defensive play in their own zone?

 

[Cosmix]

I remember seeing the clip. Looked like G was doing most of the talking. Lol. Damn he was a good pickup. Bet he ends up in management after he finishes playing.

Probably coaching.

 

[DJB]

I wonder what specifically Dorion asked DJ to do? For example, did he ask DJ to tighten up the forwards defensive play in their own zone?

Probably just make sure we are a team

 

[aragorn]

Doubt Kleven will be handed a spot on the roster….. if he wins the job in training camp, then so be it.

Keep in mind that he will be on a two way contract, and that gives the Sens the flexibility to move him up and down from the AHL.

Keeping Brannstrom after his last half of the season performance makes sense….. developing Kleven in the AHL does too.

Agreed, you may be right, I'm under the impression that Brannstrom has increased his value & they could look to move someone to get themselves into this coming draft a rd or two sooner. However, that is strickly a guess, it's quite possible that they go with Brannstrom & Hamonic as the 3rd pair & have JBD as the 7th D, I think that is how most have it. Kleven has looked pretty good to end the season & is likely going to be up & down due to injuries, but he also looks as good as anyone on that 3rd pairing & IMO brings a little more.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

 

[Golden_Jet]

Coaches have guys they like,
News at 11.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Since DJ took over, Chabot has the second highest toi per game in the entire league (over the 4 years - 25:49).

If we were riding horses because we were trying to be a playoff team, I'd get it. If he looked like he was getting better with more deployment, I'd get it. But he genuinely looks like he's getting worse and we have been far out of the playoff picture.

At some point, you should drop his TOI by 2 minutes to see if it helps.

 

[bicboi64]

Maclean, Cameron and Boucher each had a guy like Karlsson that you can throw out for 26+minutes because his overall play doesn't decline, he can score his way out of D trouble. Chabot isn't good enough to do that. 23-24 should be Chabot's average, not because he's shit, but because he's on the mid-lower end of #1 defenders. Its one thing if you have a Makar, Fox, Heiskanen, etc.. but we don't.

 

[Micklebot]

Since DJ took over, Chabot has the second highest toi per game in the entire league (over the 4 years - 25:49).

If we were riding horses because we were trying to be a playoff team, I'd get it. If he looked like he was getting better with more deployment, I'd get it. But he genuinely looks like he's getting worse and we have been far out of the playoff picture.

At some point, you should drop his TOI by 2 minutes to see if it helps.

Don't think it's referring to Chabot/Karlsson.

I think it's referring to GNS line, Ceci, Zaitsev, ect.

 

[Micklebot]

PROS:
- Players love DJ
- Sanderson, Tkachuk, and Stützle are developing fantastically
- PK is solid
- PP was great (before Chabot got hurt)
- Good underlying numbers

CONS:
- Missed playoffs again
- DZ giveaways...
- Struggling to score 5v5
- GA 5v5 (might be goaltending)
- Seriously, how many too many men penalties can we take...
- Chabot, Batherson both seem to have taken steps back

Mitigating factors:
- injuries
- most of the season had a hole on the backend
- bottom six was suspect (beyond just the injuries)

Was interesting to hear York on coming in hot rip on fans complaining about systems and structure. Says systems are largely the same across the NHL, and if you asked all the people complaining what they meant by structure, you'd get a different answer from everyone.

 

[thinkwild]

I always wondered if its possible that the best coach in the league is on the worst team in the league and the worst coach in the league is on the best team in the league. And if that were the case, how would i as a fan ever be able to tell.

 

[Cosmix]

I always wondered if its possible that the best coach in the league is on the worst team in the league and the worst coach in the league is on the best team in the league. And if that were the case, how would i as a fan ever be able to tell.

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[Cosmix]

PROS:
- Players love DJ
- Sanderson, Tkachuk, and Stützle are developing fantastically
- PK is solid
- PP was great (before Chabot got hurt)
- Good underlying numbers

CONS:
- Missed playoffs again
- DZ giveaways...
- Struggling to score 5v5
- GA 5v5 (might be goaltending)
- Seriously, how many too many men penalties can we take...
- Chabot, Batherson both seem to have taken steps back

Mitigating factors:
- injuries
- most of the season had a hole on the backend
- bottom six was suspect (beyond just the injuries)

Was interesting to hear York on coming in hot rip on fans complaining about systems and structure. Says systems are largely the same across the NHL, and if you asked all the people complaining what they meant by structure, you'd get a different answer from everyone.

Interesting.

Was it York or someone else who said the issue was "roster construction"?

 

[Micklebot]

Interesting.

Was it York or someone else who said the issue was "roster construction"?

The pro con list was my own, if that's what you're asking about, though I'm sure they mentioned some of the same stuff.

Not sure if they mentioned anything about roster construction on the show, though they have complained about the 4th line on occasion,

 

[aragorn]

PROS:
- Players love DJ
- Sanderson, Tkachuk, and Stützle are developing fantastically
- PK is solid
- PP was great (before Chabot got hurt)
- Good underlying numbers

CONS:
- Missed playoffs again
- DZ giveaways...
- Struggling to score 5v5
- GA 5v5 (might be goaltending)
- Seriously, how many too many men penalties can we take...
- Chabot, Batherson both seem to have taken steps back

Mitigating factors:
- injuries
- most of the season had a hole on the backend
- bottom six was suspect (beyond just the injuries)

Was interesting to hear York on coming in hot rip on fans complaining about systems and structure. Says systems are largely the same across the NHL, and if you asked all the people complaining what they meant by structure, you'd get a different answer from everyone.

Good list. On Chabot taking a step back was that due to injuries, he seemed to have a tough yr? And with Batherson we know he was still recovering from the high ankle sprain most of the yr & still had 62 pts, that's not bad for a down yr. I expect both these guys to be so much better next yr when we are less dependant solely on Chabot & Batherson hopefully returns to all star mode. And then add Norris to the top six for next season & maybe Formenton returns to the bottom six.

The last paragraph I have mentioned several times that the NHL is a copycat league & most teams seem to play exactly the same way & the difference seems to be with mature teams having more good vet players that take less risks & make fewer mistakes. How many games did the Sens lose this season because of a mistake in the last few minutes? If they can clean this up it will go a long way to making the playoffs next yr, but they need to get an NHL goalie who can stay healthy.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

…and learn how to play “bad” teams the way we play too 10 teams. We left so many points on the table.

 

[Cosmix]

The team also needs to tighten up the D zone play by the forwards; just coming back to the high slot area is not enough.

 

[Cosmix]

Maclean, Cameron and Boucher each had a guy like Karlsson that you can throw out for 26+minutes because his overall play doesn't decline, he can score his way out of D trouble. Chabot isn't good enough to do that. 23-24 should be Chabot's average, not because he's shit, but because he's on the mid-lower end of #1 defenders. Its one thing if you have a Makar, Fox, Heiskanen, etc.. but we don't.

Chabot's TOI is a reflection of the lack of quality defensemen. With the addition of Chychrun, the maturation of Sanderson, the continued solid play of Zub, and the ongoing improvement in Brannstrom's play, we should see a reduction of Chabot's TOI and an improvement in his play.

 

[Silencio]

I always wondered if its possible that the best coach in the league is on the worst team in the league and the worst coach in the league is on the best team in the league. And if that were the case, how would i as a fan ever be able to tell.

Jim Montgomery's head coaching record before this year was nothing special (yes I know he was fired from the Stars for non hockey related reasons).

 

[aragorn]

I think Ottawa starts next yr with the best roster they have had in the last 6 to 8 yrs, maybe the last decade or longer especially if DBC is re-signed. This yr they had 5 guys over 60 pts with Norris (35g/55Pts) their highest goal scorer the yr before missing most of the yr. Five guys over 60 pts hasn't happened for over a decade, if ever. And if Formenton returns he improves the bottom six along with Pinto improving the 3rd line by quite a bit. The two most recent yrs that they made the playoffs EK led the team in scoring with 71 & 66 pts with only 2 & 3 players over 60 pts on those teams. The yr they went to the finals they had 3 players over 60 pts, although by quite a bit, that's 16 yrs ago.

On defence they will start next season with a top four that had 3 defencemen over 30 pts this past season if we include Chychryun's Arz & Ott pt totals. Ottawa has not had 3 D with over 30 pts in the past decade, the only time they had two was the 2016-17 season with EK & Phaneuf had 30 pts on the nose. The yr they went to the finals, 16 yrs ago, they had 4 D over 30 pts Preissing (38 pts), Corvo (37 pts), Redden (36 pts) & Meszaros (35 pts). Chabot having a down season had 41 pts this yr & Sanderson is just getting started with 32 pts. This team starting next season should be the highest scoring team in over a decade & has the potential to be the highest scoring team ever, if they can stay healthy. Lots to look forward to for next season IMO.

 

[JD1]

I think Ottawa starts next yr with the best roster they have had in the last 6 to 8 yrs, maybe the last decade or longer especially if DBC is re-signed. This yr they had 5 guys over 60 pts with Norris (35g/55Pts) their highest goal scorer the yr before missing most of the yr. Five guys over 60 pts hasn't happened for over a decade, if ever. And if Formenton returns he improves the bottom six along with Pinto improving the 3rd line by quite a bit. The two most recent yrs that they made the playoffs EK led the team in scoring with 71 & 66 pts with only 2 & 3 players over 60 pts on those teams. The yr they went to the finals they had 3 players over 60 pts, although by quite a bit, that's 16 yrs ago.

On defence they will start next season with a top four that had 3 defencemen over 30 pts this past season if we include Chychryun's Arz & Ott pt totals. Ottawa has not had 3 D with over 30 pts in the past decade, the only time they had two was the 2016-17 season with EK & Phaneuf had 30 pts on the nose. The yr they went to the finals, 16 yrs ago, they had 4 D over 30 pts Preissing (38 pts), Corvo (37 pts), Redden (36 pts) & Meszaros (35 pts). Chabot having a down season had 41 pts this yr & Sanderson is just getting started with 32 pts. This team starting next season should be the highest scoring team in over a decade & has the potential to be the highest scoring team ever, if they can stay healthy. Lots to look forward to for next season IMO.

I agree on the roster. Best roster since mid 2000s. Should be anyway.

The east will be interesting next year.

Toronto may move Matthews if they lose again. Boston has severe cap problems. Tb is on the decline

 

[Bileur]

PROS:
- Players love DJ
- Sanderson, Tkachuk, and Stützle are developing fantastically
- PK is solid
- PP was great (before Chabot got hurt)
- Good underlying numbers

CONS:
- Missed playoffs again
- DZ giveaways...
- Struggling to score 5v5
- GA 5v5 (might be goaltending)
- Seriously, how many too many men penalties can we take...
- Chabot, Batherson both seem to have taken steps back

Mitigating factors:
- injuries
- most of the season had a hole on the backend
- bottom six was suspect (beyond just the injuries)

Was interesting to hear York on coming in hot rip on fans complaining about systems and structure. Says systems are largely the same across the NHL, and if you asked all the people complaining what they meant by structure, you'd get a different answer from everyone.

Tied for most in the league with Tourigny