Proposal: Fire DJ Smith

[Burrowsaurus]

I still want Julien . It’s time

Yeah he’s likely my pick as well

 

[Silencio]

What is your source for "needs approval by the league"?

"Should he wish to re-enter the league in some capacity in the future, I will require a meeting with him in advance in order to determine the appropriate conditions under which such new employment might take place."

Panthers' Joel Quenneville resigns amid Blackhawks sexual assault scandal after meeting with Gary Bettman

A Chicago Blackhawks investigation found Quenneville ignored a player's sexual assault claims against a coach in 2010

www.cbssports.com

 

[Golden_Jet]

Our biggest weakness was that the ducks were much better than us.

Trading away one of if not the best two way forward in the game two seasons prior and letting the best shut down d man in the game go to free agency attributed to this

Ya I’m still not over that trade.

 

[Micklebot]

I am surprised too.

I figured a lot of things needed to go right. But things went off the rails health wise. From Norris to the D injuries to the G injuries.

With a healthy season next year, I'm expecting big things

Yeah, I was in the we have a shot at playoffs if everything goes right camp, but even then it was as a darkhorse

 

[Cosmix]

"Should he wish to re-enter the league in some capacity in the future, I will require a meeting with him in advance in order to determine the appropriate conditions under which such new employment might take place."

Panthers' Joel Quenneville resigns amid Blackhawks sexual assault scandal after meeting with Gary Bettman

A Chicago Blackhawks investigation found Quenneville ignored a player's sexual assault claims against a coach in 2010

www.cbssports.com

Who are you quoting?

Found it in the article you provided:

Panthers' Joel Quenneville resigns amid Blackhawks sexual assault scandal after meeting with Gary Bettman

A Chicago Blackhawks investigation found Quenneville ignored a player's sexual assault claims against a coach in 2010

www.cbssports.com

 

[Golden_Jet]

Who are you quoting?

Found a source:

Panthers' Joel Quenneville resigns amid Blackhawks sexual assault scandal after meeting with Gary Bettman

A Chicago Blackhawks investigation found Quenneville ignored a player's sexual assault claims against a coach in 2010

www.cbssports.com

Looks like you when you scroll up a few posts
Or open the link for another answer

 

[Silencio]

Who are you quoting?

Found a source:

Panthers' Joel Quenneville resigns amid Blackhawks sexual assault scandal after meeting with Gary Bettman

A Chicago Blackhawks investigation found Quenneville ignored a player's sexual assault claims against a coach in 2010

www.cbssports.com

I literally posted that exact link in my response.

 

[Cosmix]

I literally posted that exact link in my response.

Yes you did.

I wonder if the reported Quenneville activities to redeem himself will work out for him? I do not expect him to become the GM of the Senators though.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Yes you did.

I wonder if the reported Quenneville activities to redeem himself will work out for him? I do not expect him to become the GM of the Senators though.

No, but maybe the coach.

 

[Cosmix]

A little OT...but you really have to wonder why there aren't any good developmental pipelines for coaches anymore. Don't seem to see much in the way of new blood entering the league. Most of the new coaches end up being former players with little to no coaching experience.

I wonder how that is going to play out int he next decade.

That is an interesting point.

Do you have any stats on historical head coaching hires and their previous coaching experience, etc. ? It would be interesting to see.

 

[Cosmix]

DJ signed an extension, does he have next year left or next year + another.?

According to Wikipedia:

"On May 23, 2019, the Ottawa Senators announced that Smith agreed to a three-year contract to be the team's head coach. On July 28, 2021, the Senators signed Smith to a two-year contract extension, running through the 2023–24 season, with a club option for 2024–25."

So one more season followed by an option.

Dorion's contract:

On 7 September 2021 Ottawa Senators announced:

"The Ottawa Senators announced today that the team has extended general manager Pierre Dorion's contract through the duration of the 2024-25 campaign. The club also holds an option on the 2025-26 season."

So 2 more seasons followed by an option.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

That is an interesting point.

Do you have any stats on historical head coaching hires and their previous coaching experience, etc. ? It would be interesting to see.

I don't have any stats, but I'm sure there's a website or statsgeek out there who has tabulated that somewhere out there.

 

[jg729]

The story of the whole season is this team has shitty defensive structure - gives up too many quality chances.

DJ needs to go.

 

[Sens Vader]

Only a few more games to go before this coach is done

We’re at the home stretch

 

[SensHulk]

Silver lining to missing the playoffs…I hope…we need a new coach. Doesn’t mean DJ did a bad job, just that it time to move on

 

[LuckyPierre]

Trotting out your fifth string goalie for a must win game, when Mads is rested and coming off a win. That sends a great message to your guys. Really inspires confidence.

And sending out your bottom lines against top talent directly after getting scored on - yikes. For me, DJ made tonight’s game almost unwatchable. With deployment like that, it’s almost as if he had already packed it in on the season.

 

[aragorn]

Only a few more games to go before this coach is done

We’re at the home stretch

Stutzle has given up four giveaways in the last two games three fo which ended up ended up in our net, not sure how that;s DJ's fault.

Trotting out your fifth string goalie for a must win game, when Mads is rested and coming off a win. That sends a great message to your guys. Really inspires confidence.

And sending out your bottom lines against top talent directly after getting scored on - yikes. For me, DJ made tonight’s game almost unwatchable. With deployment like that, it’s almost as if he had already packed it in on the season.

They didn't lose because of goaltending or coaching, they lost because they keep giving the puck away especially in scoring areas, Stutzle did it twice again tonight.

 

[PlayersLtd]

Stutzle has given up four giveaways in the last two games three fo which ended up ended up in our net, not sure how that;s DJ's fault.

They didn't lose because of goaltending or coaching, they lost because they keep giving the puck away especially in scoring areas, Stutzle did it twice again tonight.

I don't often gripe but we absolutely lost because of goaltending tonight. Sure it was among other things but you can hardly say that Ferguson gave us a chance to win. Not holding his post on the Hamilton goal is the difference between an NHL goalie and not.

Starting him in the first place was an absolute head scratcher. Mads played well v TB. You run with that hand 10/10. It made no sense other than trying to catch lightning in a bottle ala Andrew Hammond but there was no need for a desperation move like that.

 

[aragorn]

I don't often gripe but we absolutely lost because of goaltending tonight. Sure it was among other things but you can hardly say that Ferguson gave us a chance to win. Not holding his post on the Hamilton goal is the difference between an NHL goalie and not.

Starting him in the first place was an absolute head scratcher. Mads played well v TB. You run with that hand 10/10. It made no sense other than trying to catch lightning in a bottle ala Andrew Hammond but there was no need for a desperation move like that.

Ferguson played great in his first game & won the game single handedly, he deserved another start too. Sogaard played well against Tampa, but he has also given up a lot of 5 goal games in the last while. I think it was a toss up & Ottawa had their chances to win tonight, they just have to be much better at managing the puck & stop giving it away.

 

[Korpse]

Starting him in the first place was an absolute head scratcher. Mads played well v TB.

I think they are trying to protect Mads, They’ve asked a lot of him already. I don’t think they want him starting 6 of 7 games like he did early this month. I would expect him to get 2 of every 3 games. They probably already have the start’s figured out for the rest of the season.

 

[Samsquanch]

Here we are playing meaningful games still in late March. Without Norris all year or any stability in the net. And yet people can still only see the bad, and expectations are still wildly out of line with the reality of this team.

If there wasn't an ownership change coming I would be positive that DJ is back next season based on what he did this year, and would be totally okay with giving him one more year to get the job done. But I think the whiners will inevitably get their way, because the loudest people with those thick heads of theirs usually get their own way when there's enough of them squawking together, and they have someone naive and eager please listening to them...

The good far outweighs the bad though imo. Never in a million years would I have traded a getting a wildcard spot the last two seasons with a Tortorella or Sutter or Boucher type coach at the helm in exchange for potentially stunting the development of any member of our core. Or messing with the new culture and identity they have in the dressing room.

What if that hard ass coach made our players instead start to question if they really want to be in Ottawa. Imagine benching Brady or Stutzle for an entire 3rd period while they were still on their ELCs during and important game, and how that would have affected them in negotiations. What if they knew they were sacrificing 10-20pts a year just because of how that coach wants them to play, and the Tom Pyatts of the world were consistently playing 17mins a night?

DJ is a modern day coach who understands and can communicate with this new generation of players. He built a culture of hard work and developed this young core into a formidable group of NHL stars that are all proud to be an Ottawa Senator (and love and respect him dearly as a coach). You don't take a chance on messing that up.

Guys like Barzal on NYI, a team that has some success and is consistently sneaking into the playoffs - he's still borderline unhappy playing a strict defensive brand of hockey there. He's a guy that's biting the bullet heavily because he knows that technically they can win that way (while having a lack of raw talent in the lineup). It's a way to win, but it's not the only way....

Point being its not fun for the players or the fans alike. And hiring an old school strict defensive-minded coach is just not the clear and obvious answer that so many seem to believe it is.....Be careful what you wish for is what I'm saying.

 

[LevelingSolo]

Bruce Cassidy would have a been a great fit, missed the boat there

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Silver lining to missing the playoffs…I hope…we need a new coach. Doesn’t mean DJ did a bad job, just that it time to move on

Keep in mind, the Mission Statement for the Senators for the 22/23 season was to “play meaningful games in March”, and by most measures they have achieved that (low bar) objective…. Is that enough for PD to fire DJS at the end of the season?
I don’t think so, keeping in mind that he also wants to keep the “fire the coach” card in his back pocket for anytime he can play it strategically, either to grab a better coach that comes available between the end of the season and the beginning of the next, or at anytime during next season if he’s looking over his shoulder at the new ownership/POHO and feels his job is on the line….. and can buy himself some more time by throwing DJS under the bus.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Here we are playing meaningful games still in late March. Without Norris all year or any stability in the net. And yet people can still only see the bad, and expectations are still wildly out of line with the reality of this team.

If there wasn't an ownership change coming I would be positive that DJ is back next season based on what he did this year, and would be totally okay with giving him one more year to get the job done. But I think the whiners will inevitably get their way, because the loudest people with those thick heads of theirs usually get their own way when there's enough of them squawking together, and they have someone naive and eager please listening to them...

The good far outweighs the bad though imo. Never in a million years would I have traded a getting a wildcard spot the last two seasons with a Tortorella or Sutter or Boucher type coach at the helm in exchange for potentially stunting the development of any member of our core. Or messing with the new culture and identity they have in the dressing room.

What if that hard ass coach made our players instead start to question if they really want to be in Ottawa. Imagine benching Brady or Stutzle for an entire 3rd period while they were still on their ELCs during and important game, and how that would have affected them in negotiations. What if they knew they were sacrificing 10-20pts a year just because of how that coach wants them to play, and the Tom Pyatts of the world were consistently playing 17mins a night?

DJ is a modern day coach who understands and can communicate with this new generation of players. He built a culture of hard work and developed this young core into a formidable group of NHL stars that are all proud to be an Ottawa Senator (and love and respect him dearly as a coach). You don't take a chance on messing that up.

Guys like Barzal on NYI, a team that has some success and is consistently sneaking into the playoffs - he's still borderline unhappy playing a strict defensive brand of hockey there. He's a guy that's biting the bullet heavily because he knows that technically they can win that way (while having a lack of raw talent in the lineup). It's a way to win, but it's not the only way....

Point being its not fun for the players or the fans alike. And hiring an old school strict defensive-minded coach is just not the clear and obvious answer that so many seem to believe it is.....Be careful what you wish for is what I'm saying.

one of the better posts in this entire thread.

agree with pretty much everything

it would be a mistake to fire DJS, after he has met the stated goal the Organization set out for everyone to see, hear and read… meaningful games March.

new ownership would be wise to let things stay on track, as they are, until they, or their POHO gets a real feel for the organization, the team chemistry, for them/him selves.

PD and DJS will have to work themselves out of their respective jobs, to be fired before the next season

there is no logic for an outsider (ownership/POHO) to come into the organization and start swinging the axe before getting a lay of the land for themselves…… this would upset the tiny minority of the fan base that are out for both PD and DJSs blood asap.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I cannot wait to see him gone.

Just can't wait.