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There is a small rumor that something regarding Jalonen & NHL might be announced after this tournament. Remains to be seen how true it is. If that happens, my wish as a Finnish guy is that Jalonen would coach both in NHL & Finnish Olympic team next year, but perhaps he would leave EHT & WHC 2022 to someone else.

Actually I just remembered that Finland is the host country of 2022. Need Jalonen to coach that too :). Finland might actually get a better roster that time.
Seems like columbus would be perfect for him!
 
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Seems like columbus would be perfect for him!

It would probably be that team and as you might know that Kekäläinen said some interesting things about Jalonen few weeks ago. Best coach in Europe or something along those lines. Can't remember it exactly. Like setting up the seed for the announcement, but we'll see.

On the other hand Kekäläinen likes to act tough on Finns when it comes to him being the Columbus' GM.
 
It would probably be that team and as you might know that Kekäläinen said some interesting things about Jalonen few weeks ago. Best coach in Europe or something along those lines. Can't remember it exactly. Like setting up the seed for the announcement, but we'll see.

On the other hand Kekäläinen likes to act tough on Finns when it comes to him being the Columbus' GM.
Feeding Laine to Torts seemed harsh to me.lol
 
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Fun fact.. 3 of our D (half of them) play in Finland...

Sulak, Klok and Skelnicka.

I know Klok is headed to KHL.. not sure about other 2.

Smejkal as well.

I might be missing a few more. Also developing Tomas Hamara for us.. thank you! Dostal and Skarek as well.

Klok played in my home town team in Finland for 2 years, and was great for us! +25/min game in Finnish champions.

Sklenička plays with finnish team in KHL, so he's already there.

And also Sulak is goon:
 
Klok played in my home town team in Finland for 2 years, and was great for us! +25/min game in Finnish champions.

Sklenička plays with finnish team in KHL, so he's already there.

And also Sulak is goon:

You develp more Czechs than the Extraliga. zero sarcasm.

Quick questin.. is Klok dumb? He does dumb things but is clearly a gifted athlete.
 
Well new start for Laine next season in Columbus. I don't see that Columbus would trade him before seeing him with a new coach next season. Jukka Jalonen was Laine's coach in U20 2016 gold team btw.
nother crushing Finnish defeat.lol

I may be off by a year so feel free to correct me.

BUT at the time both our nations hadn't won a medal in a decade... it was essentially a big 4.

Then Finns went on a 'miracle' run after being down to us going into the third. That was Faksa and company and looked like we were moving on.

First time I'd ever heard the 'sisu' reference.

Of course retrospect is amazing... turns out that Finn team was goddam elite and chaulk full of future NHL stars. It wasn't an upset, it was a miracle we had a lead after 2 periods.lol
 
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nother crushing Finnish defeat.lol

I may be off by a year so feel free to correct me.

BUT at the time both our nations hadn't won a medal in a decade... it was essentially a big 4.

Then Finns went on a 'miracle' run after being down to us going into the third. That was Faksa and company and looked like we were moving on.

First time I'd ever heard the 'sisu' reference.

Of course retrospect is amazing... turns out that Finn team was goddam elite and chaulk full of future NHL stars. It wasn't an upset, it was a miracle we had a lead after 2 periods.lol
Finland won gold in 2014 as well with Teräväinen, Ristolainen, Saros etc
 
nother crushing Finnish defeat.lol

I may be off by a year so feel free to correct me.

BUT at the time both our nations hadn't won a medal in a decade... it was essentially a big 4.

Then Finns went on a 'miracle' run after being down to us going into the third. That was Faksa and company and looked like we were moving on.

First time I'd ever heard the 'sisu' reference.

Of course retrospect is amazing... turns out that Finn team was goddam elite and chaulk full of future NHL stars. It wasn't an upset, it was a miracle we had a lead after 2 periods.lol

If you refer to the 2016 u20 tournament, I'll be honest and say that I don't remember the FIN-CZE game. Finland's u20 success really started during the 2014 final win over Sweden.

The 2016 team was insanely stacked yes and I also didn't know, that even Hintz would become a beast like that back then.

We know about the 2016's famous roster but the 2014 team also had some good ones. It had Teuvo Teräväinen, Ristolainen, Juuse Saros, Husso (St. Louis back up goalie), Esa Lindell, Artturi Lehkonen, Mikko Lehtonen, Julius Honka and most interestingly from the current 2021 WHC team that team also had Ville Pokka and Saku Mäenalanen.

So both 2014 and 2016 teams were quite insane.
 
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If you refer to the 2016 u20 tournament, I'll be honest and say that I don't remember the FIN-CZE game. Finland's u20 success really started during the 2014 final win over Sweden.

The 2016 team was insanely stacked yes and I also didn't know, that even Hintz would become a beast like that back then.

We know about the 2016's famous roster but the 2014 team also had some good ones. It had Teuvo Teräväinen, Ristolainen, Juuse Saros, Husso (St. Louis back up goalie), Esa Lindell, Artturi Lehkonen, Mikko Lehtonen, Julius Honka and most interestingly from the current 2021 WHC team that team also had Ville Pokka and Saku Mäenalanen.

So both 2014 and 2016 teams were quite insane.
It may have been 2014.. I was on vacation skiing in my Czech jersey. We had a nice lead... third period came it was over.lol
 
Well, I'm complaining because this kind of refereeing hinders the skillful and speedy side of hockey in the WHC which is a pity. Tbh, I think the referees were about equally bad to both sides in this particular game. But anyway, I just don't like how they allow all kinds of interference on attacking and creating chances.

fair enough, i'm inclined to agree
 
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[QUOTE = "Mestaruus, příspěvek: 178492935, člen: 119313"] Pokud se zmíníte o turnaji do 20 let 2016, budu upřímný a řeknu, že si hru FIN-CZE nepamatuji. Úspěch Finska do 20 let skutečně začal během finálního vítězství nad Švédskem v roce 2014.

Tým z roku 2016 byl šíleně naskládaný ano a také jsem nevěděl, že i Hintz by se tehdy stal takovým zvířetem.

Známe slavnou soupisku roku 2016, ale tým z roku 2014 měl také několik dobrých. Měli to Teuvo Teräväinen, Ristolainen, Juuse Saros, Husso (záložní brankář St. Louis), Esa Lindell, Artturi Lehkonen, Mikko Lehtonen, Julius Honka a nejzajímavější ze současného týmu WHC 2021, který měl také tým Ville Pokka a Saku Mäenalanen.

Oba týmy z let 2014 a 2016 byly celkem šílené. [/ QUOTE]

Tell me, how is possible that Finland significantly better coaches then Sweden? I mean at the national team.
What is the finnish federation doing differently than the swedish one? I don't understand and I have no idea why. It's frustrating.
 
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What kinda dumb things he do? He seems smart.
4 straight games with blatant stupid penalties...

Crosscheck to the face in front of a ref
Crosschek to the back in front of a ref
today he passed it to a Finn for a 2 on 0 and then pulled that guy down

We live and die by Klok.
 
Awesome win! Could have gone either way, but to be honest I'm more scared of Germany in the semis than i was of Czechia. Germany has a young and smart finnish coach who understands the finns and with this finnish roster that game is a tough one. Finland has a track record of undermining the weaker teams and overpreforming against the others.
There is a small rumor that something regarding Jalonen & NHL might be announced after this tournament. Remains to be seen how true it is. If that happens, my wish as a Finnish guy is that Jalonen would coach both in NHL & Finnish Olympic team next year, but perhaps he would leave EHT & WHC 2022 to someone else.

Actually I just remembered that Finland is the host country of 2022. Need Jalonen to coach that too :). Finland might actually get a better roster that time.
But I think this is false, I would never in a million years want Jalonen to coach a best on best finnish team. Sure, he gets the most of a lackluster squad but come on, Finland has gone a long way since, a decade and the young offensive skill is very impressive. Another coach would do MUCH better
 
If you refer to the 2016 u20 tournament, I'll be honest and say that I don't remember the FIN-CZE game. Finland's u20 success really started during the 2014 final win over Sweden.
He's referring to the 2014 U20 QF game. (Radek Faksa was born in 1994, so he couldn't have been a part of the 2016 U20 games.) Czechia led 3-1 about halfway through, but Finland rallied to take a 3-4 lead in early third and potted an empty netter for a 3-5 win.

It was not quite a decade since Finland's last medal, though, as the previous one was a bronze from 2006. That team was already a part of the "lost generation" of 1985-1991, but it had Tuukka Rask, who practically dragged Finland to that medal all by himself.

What is pretty crazy, though, is that Czechia's last medal on the U20 level is a bronze from 2005 - their dry spell has lasted since then. And they also have only one QF win on their belt since then, from 2018.

We know about the 2016's famous roster but the 2014 team also had some good ones. It had Teuvo Teräväinen, Ristolainen, Juuse Saros, Husso (St. Louis back up goalie), Esa Lindell, Artturi Lehkonen, Mikko Lehtonen, Julius Honka and most interestingly from the current 2021 WHC team that team also had Ville Pokka and Saku Mäenalanen.
While the 2016 team is remembered for its insanely stacked offense, that 2014 gold-winning squad's back end was perhaps the best we've ever iced on U20 level. Saros and Husso as goalies, with Ristolainen, Lindell, Lehtonen, Pokka and Honka playing key minutes in defense. Even Juuso Vainio turned out to be a decent euro level stay-at-home D. Only player out of that seven whose adult career hasn't quite panned out is Mikko Vainonen.

Yet it is remembered as something of a surprise winner, mostly because the offense was quite sorry-looking outside of the first line of Mäenalanen-Teräväinen-Haapala. In retrospect, Artturi Lehkonen, Juuso Ikonen and Ville Leskinen have also turned out okay.
 
It was not quite a decade since Finland's last medal
Thank you.. I knew I was close.

So 2006 to 2014 was 8 years in between a medal. At the time.. both our programs were being questioned. Yours came out miles ahead.lol
 
For sure. after that goal it was Euro 2006. However, credit to Jalonen... Pesan didn't adjust and did have a PP stretch over 2nd and 3rd period. I don't like the defensive hockey but we won 2 world juniors that way and I enjoyed those golds. The key is to score and if we did, I think the Finns would've been flying again.

This went exactly how Finland wanted... Pesan even gifted them by messing up all chemistry and sitting our 3rd best scorer.

I'm mad for sure and I'm a big Pesan supporter.. but, before the game, I mentioned how stupid the lineup was and it was.

I think the main problem of this team was the lack of certain inner flow. That is, a mix of confidence, enthusiasm, excitement of the game. They were all working hard, but it was not coming natural, it was too apparent the players need to kind of force themselves to that hard work. I would even say many of the players were not enjoying the game during the whole tournament, although they of course were trying to the very end to break it somehow. This doesn't need to mean there were conflicts in the team or something, they just did not get that flow. Maybe it could be because of the COVID bubble, who knows. But the impression I had of this team was "we must be trying hard because our fans expect a success from us and we don't want to disappoint them, but we can't find the right excitement in our game." It has been a strange tournament for all teams but I definitely expected this squad to perform better.
 
Tell me, how is possible that Finland significantly better coaches then Sweden? I mean at the national team.
What is the finnish federation doing differently than the swedish one? I don't understand and I have no idea why. It's frustrating.

I don't know if that's generally the case. Jalonen is something else, but Grönborg was a pretty good coach as well. To me the mistake Sweden made was to hire some former NHL star with zero experience as head coach, that would never happen in Finland. In Finland the national team coach job is very sought after and pretty much requires that you have actually won something as head coach. I'm sure Sweden has plenty of coaches with better merits than Garpenlöv, but perhaps they were not available.
 
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But I think this is false, I would never in a million years want Jalonen to coach a best on best finnish team. Sure, he gets the most of a lackluster squad but come on, Finland has gone a long way since, a decade and the young offensive skill is very impressive. Another coach would do MUCH better

First time I have heard that opinion. You can have all the skill in the world and still it won't matter if the team doesn't play together, just look at Toronto versus Montreal. Finland can have the luxury of tanking their next Olympic team with star players, but a coach who is only there to serve the star players will make sure they exit like Toronto or Sweden in this tournament. It couldn't be more obvious to me that if Finland wants to keep winning the recipe is the Jalonen way of playing as a team and five man unit.
 
Congrats to Suomi! :thumbu:

You've got a very well coached and disciplined team that managed to minimize our chances! Czechs looked disoriented and harmless.

Overall it was a really boring game to watch though. Didn't feel like a QF to me at all.

Thanks! It was a pretty good Czech team as well, at least better than what I used to remember after the times of Jagr and Ruzicka.

It seemed like Finland's disciplined defense managed to keep the grade A scoring chances quite low, so it was a bit boring in that sense. The other problem is that refs let everything go through in this tournament except for straight hits to the head or the obvious tripping, which clogs the game up. It felt like 25% of this game was a fight in the corners.
 
First time I have heard that opinion. You can have all the skill in the world and still it won't matter if the team doesn't play together, just look at Toronto versus Montreal. Finland can have the luxury of tanking their next Olympic team with star players, but a coach who is only there to serve the star players will make sure they exit like Toronto or Sweden in this tournament. It couldn't be more obvious to me that if Finland wants to keep winning the recipe is the Jalonen way of playing as a team and five man unit.
And he showed how great he is also with coaching very talented players, when he won the WJC gold for Finland on 2016.

Amazing how much some people still seem to underrate him. He is definitely one of the best coaches in the world, and I’m absolutely sure he will do well in the NHL as well, if he gets his opportunity there. Maybe not right away in his first season, but in 2 or 3 seasons his team should already be a very difficult opponent to any team in the league.
 
And he showed how great he is also with coaching very talented players, when he won the WJC gold for Finland on 2016.

Amazing how much some people still seem to underrate him. He is definitely one of the best coaches in the world, and I’m absolutely sure he will do well in the NHL as well, if he gets his opportunity there. Maybe not right away in his first season, but in 2 or 3 seasons his team should already be a very difficult opponent to any team in the league.

Yeah, and the Jalonen coached 2016 WJC squad played a very confident and strong offensive game. I don't remember that much trapping from that team when they went into a goal scoring contest against Canada for example. In fact, it was the defense and goaltending that was questioned initially from that team but they did pull through. Still the most entertaining hockey I've ever seen team Finland play.

Anyway, I'm sure Jalonen has developed even further as a coach since then and probably has more tactics and tricks up his sleeve.. but I definitely wouldn't generalize that a Jalonen team definitely has to play like this team or the 2019 team.
 

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