Prospect Info: Filip Mesar

[junyab]

I'm definitely not asking the habs to bat 1000, only saying that Mesar was a bad pick at the Time and hindsight's got nothing to do with it. He simply didn't have an argument to go ahead of a number of players.

That we picked Hutson is, of course, awesome. But the team should ask themselves why they passed on Hutson for clearly lesser players.

Your comments are as clearly hindsight as you can get. lol

 

[junyab]

Mesar wasn't a bad pick THEN, he may look like a bad pick NOW, but he wasn't in his draft year. Mesar was one of the best skaters in the draft and had elite puckhandling skills. His upside was a Sergei Samsonov type player.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Mesar wasn't a bad pick THEN, he may look like a bad pick NOW, but he wasn't in his draft year. Mesar was one of the best skaters in the draft and had elite puckhandling skills. His upside was a Sergei Samsonov type player.

He was ranked from mid first round to high 2nd round. He went right around where he was anticipated to go.

 

[habsterr]

Mesar wasn't a bad pick THEN, he may look like a bad pick NOW, but he wasn't in his draft year. Mesar was one of the best skaters in the draft and had elite puckhandling skills. His upside was a Sergei Samsonov type player.

Nah it sucked then too, fans wanted Kulich.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Nah it sucked then too, fans wanted Kulich.

Fans wanted a litany of shitty Q prospects across the years. That's not an argument that Mesar was a bad pick.

 

[junyab]

Nah it sucked then too, fans wanted Kulich.

Well that's a glaringly untrue blanket statement.

Now if you said there were many perma-whining HF members who preferred Kulich with the pick, I'd agree.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Crazy how we went from striking out on almost every 1st and 2nd rounder from 2008 to 2017 to some people being upset we didn't hit on all 4 picks from the first two rounds in 2022.

On top of that Mesar just turned 21 and only has 25 pro games in North America under his belt, still early to be writing him off.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Crazy how we went from striking out on almost every 1st and 2nd rounder from 2008 to 2017 to some people being upset we didn't hit on all 4 picks from the first two rounds in 2022.

On top of that Mesar just turned 21 and only has 25 pro games in North America under his belt, still early to be writing him off.

I look forward to the day we win the cup and I get to see that niche group complain we didn't do it in fewer games.

 

[GrandBison]

Mesar wasn't a bad pick THEN, he may look like a bad pick NOW, but he wasn't in his draft year. Mesar was one of the best skaters in the draft and had elite puckhandling skills. His upside was a Sergei Samsonov type player.

Samsonov the rookie or the UFA signed by the Habs?

 

[windycity]

Literally the only player in laval that has the talent to jump into a top 6 role next year

Now that Dach is out the habs will do well to give him a shot.

Top 6 in Trois Rivières, correct?

 

[NotProkofievian]

Your comments are as clearly hindsight as you can get. lol

I had Mesar as a 2nd rounder, and Hutson ahead of him on draft day.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

May I know why we shouldn't have drafted Kulich ? Ya, I remember that a lot of us here wanted Kulich back then. My mind was on Hutson. At that time, I was upset that we didn't take Hutson in the first and early 2nd round.

Ah yes, you did not catch the sarcasm I see

 

[junyab]

I had Mesar as a 2nd rounder, and Hutson ahead of him on draft day.

Your comment is obviously hindsight, despite how you had them ranked. Ever team passed on Hutson at least once. In a do-over Hutson would be a top 5 pick. Both Mesar and Hutson were picked in and around where the majority of scouts had them.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Your comment is obviously hindsight, despite how you had them ranked. Ever team passed on Hutson at least once. In a do-over Hutson would be a top 5 pick. Both Mesar and Hutson were picked in and around where the majority of scouts had them.

I dont think you know what hindsight means. I thought Mesar was overdrafted at the time and I was right. I thought Hutson was underdrafted at the time and I was right. The question that I'm asking is why did our scouts think Mesar was a better player than Hutson? Thats not hindsight, it's learning.

 

[junyab]

I dont think you know what hindsight means. I thought Mesar was overdrafted at the time and I was right. I thought Hutson was underdrafted at the time and I was right. The question that I'm asking is why did our scouts think Mesar was a better player than Hutson? Thats not hindsight, it's learning.

No, you're using hindsight to argue that Montreal should've known which prospect was better. I'm telling you there were 30+ teams that had them ranked as Montreal ded. So to argue that Montreal should've known because you knew is worth more than Montreal should not have known because 30+ teams didn't know is a ridiculous argument.

 

[NotProkofievian]

No, you're using hindsight to argue that Montreal should've known which prospect was better. I'm telling you there were 30+ teams that had them ranked as Montreal ded. So to argue that Montreal should've known because you knew is worth more than Montreal should not have known because 30+ teams didn't know is a ridiculous argument.

You dont know that.

 

[HankyZetts]

I dont think you know what hindsight means. I thought Mesar was overdrafted at the time and I was right. I thought Hutson was underdrafted at the time and I was right. The question that I'm asking is why did our scouts think Mesar was a better player than Hutson? Thats not hindsight, it's learning.

Mesar looked great in international play, it's not hard to see why teams/scouts liked him a lot. To this day he would still have a ton of potential if he wasn't such a douche, apparently lol

 

[Miller Time]

I dont think you know what hindsight means. I thought Mesar was overdrafted at the time and I was right. I thought Hutson was underdrafted at the time and I was right. The question that I'm asking is why did our scouts think Mesar was a better player than Hutson? Thats not hindsight, it's learning.

You're assuming the team drafted based on talent evaluation rather than assessed draft value... IIRC there is evidence that the Habs rated Hutson as having first round talent, yet didn't even pick him with their highest 2nd Rd pick.

Teams don't draft solely based on their assessment of BPA, especially outside the top picks in the first round. They regularly have players with lower concensus draft ratings evaluated "better" but still choose to delay picking them because of their expectation of being able to grab them later.

Neither Beck nor Mesar would've likely fallen more than a few spots from where the Habs picked, and they bet accurately that Hutson would still be available later in the 2nd... I wouldn't be surprised in the least if hey thought Hutson had better upside than both.

 

[Andrei79]

I'm definitely not asking the habs to bat 1000, only saying that Mesar was a bad pick at the Time and hindsight's got nothing to do with it. He simply didn't have an argument to go ahead of a number of players.

That we picked Hutson is, of course, awesome. But the team should ask themselves why they passed on Hutson for clearly lesser players.

I would also add that it's a terrible gamble to make. The draft video has someone stating every cup winner has a player like him, so they clearly valued the extent of his talent. Then why bank on him being available that late for someone like Mesar.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Mesar looked great in international play, it's not hard to see why teams/scouts liked him a lot. To this day he would still have a ton of potential if he wasn't such a douche, apparently lol

Early on I really liked Mesar. But as I watched him more, it was apparent to me that he was all sizzle and no steak. It wasnt clear to me what he was going to do at The NHL level. He wasnt going to be the shooter, he wasnt going to be the playmaker, he wasnt going to be the grinder. He doesnt have any bread winning quality where you say "well, at least he can do that." Unless laps around the zone per 60 is a stat you track.

 

[Bombshell11]

Early on I really liked Mesar. But as I watched him more, it was apparent to me that he was all sizzle and no steak. It wasnt clear to me what he was going to do at The NHL level. He wasnt going to be the shooter, he wasnt going to be the playmaker, he wasnt going to be the grinder. He doesnt have any bread winning quality where you say "well, at least he can do that." Unless laps around the zone per 60 is a stat you track.

hes got the tools but maybe not the mindset

 

[JadedRandom]

Nah it sucked then too, fans wanted Kulich.

Personally, I wanted Hutson. Pretty happy how that turned out, not gonna lie.

Anyways, aside from that, in the range that Mesar was available, I wanted Bystedt or Isaac Howard. And both of those guys look like better potential pros than Mesar at this point but the jury is still out for them.

Long story short, Mesar wouldn't have been my pick on the draft floor in 2022 but he was still a pretty good prospect then, and our scouting staff took a gamble on a guy with "++" skating and some skill despite obvious size/strength problems.

And the book's ending hasn't been written on Mesar's NHL career yet. With development being as unlinear as it is, it wouldn't surprise me if Mesar made something of himself in the NHL down the line.

So yeah, I think we should give Mesar at least another two years in the AHL to figure out the pro game before throwing the towel on him. He hasn't been good overall so far, but he still exhibits flashes of something more.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I would also add that it's a terrible gamble to make. The draft video has someone stating every cup winner has a player like him, so they clearly valued the extent of his talent. Then why bank on him being available that late for someone like Mesar.

Because they liked Mesar's potential and felt they could get Hutson later. And they did.

You guys are literally bashing them for accurately predicting they could get him where they did. They got their guy and got two other guys they really liked along the way.

We've seen them project players accurately many other times through the draft videos. If anything, I'd say that we can properly give the scouting team their flowers for being well informed about what their competitors are thinking at the draft table.