Prospect Info: Filip Mesar

[junyab]

He'll do great in the A, how great he'd do in the NHL is a debatable subject. If he's given the chance to play in the top 6 (after some seasoning in the A), he'll produce, if he's plugged into the bottom 6, I don't think he'll produce, and that probably means he wouldn't be able to work himself from the bottom 6 to the top 6.

At his high end, he could be a Sergei Samsonov, at the lower end, David Desharnais, absolute bottom he'll be a PPG player in the A.

That's great he's had a strong start. Hopefully he can win back some of the boo-birds in here.

 

[Natey]

Because Mesar is a playmaker. He needs to show he is a good passer and produce to step in the show. I don’t expect the same for Beck. Beck, he can get a good % on faceoff, reliable defensively, and i’m gonna be allright cause his profile looks like a bottom 6 player in the NHL. He needs his part of point, but not like Mesar

Weird.. considering they are playing on the same line. So Mesar is supposed to produce and Beck isn't... that seems not great for Mesar!

 

[Paddyjack]

Like most young players, we just need to be patient. He's pretty skilled and seems to have a good hockey IQ. Just needs time playing against pros.

Wait what?? Patience?? What is that word? I never saw it on this board...... ;p

 

[montreal]

Weird.. considering they are playing on the same line. So Mesar is supposed to produce and Beck isn't... that seems not great for Mesar!

If Mesar doesn't produce what does he bring to the team? Beck will be in the NHL not because of his skill but how he plays the game. But it's HF where fans think they can look at the stats of Danault and tell you what Beck will turn into. When fans kept saying over the summer that Beck would force his way onto the team I kept saying he doesn't look ready for the NHL to me. He will need to work on things in Laval just like Mesar will.

No one knows what these kids will turn into yet it doesn't stop people from trying to pretend they know what say any non Crosby, McDavid, types will become in 5 years. It's often a long process but that doesn't stop most from jumping the gun and running with it, good or bad. Things take time to unfold.

 

[Natey]

If Mesar doesn't produce what does he bring to the team? Beck will be in the NHL not because of his skill but how he plays the game. But it's HF where fans think they can look at the stats of Danault and tell you what Beck will turn into. When fans kept saying over the summer that Beck would force his way onto the team I kept saying he doesn't look ready for the NHL to me. He will need to work on things in Laval just like Mesar will.

No one knows what these kids will turn into yet it doesn't stop people from trying to pretend they know what say any non Crosby, McDavid, types will become in 5 years. It's often a long process but that doesn't stop most from jumping the gun and running with it, good or bad. Things take time to unfold.

All I'm saying is if that's the outlook, it's not very fair to Mesar to have to produce with a player who doesn't need to produce.

I was one of the most excited here for the Beck pick and I agree he needs more seasoning. No reason to rush him. Let him adapt and come up strong rather than come up, not quite ready, and get lost in the shuffle.

 

[WeThreeKings]

If Mesar doesn't produce what does he bring to the team? Beck will be in the NHL not because of his skill but how he plays the game. But it's HF where fans think they can look at the stats of Danault and tell you what Beck will turn into. When fans kept saying over the summer that Beck would force his way onto the team I kept saying he doesn't look ready for the NHL to me. He will need to work on things in Laval just like Mesar will.

No one knows what these kids will turn into yet it doesn't stop people from trying to pretend they know what say any non Crosby, McDavid, types will become in 5 years. It's often a long process but that doesn't stop most from jumping the gun and running with it, good or bad. Things take time to unfold.

People can call someone a bust or a bad pick and as soon as they are good, champion them as if they always believed.

No one cares about the players predicted to bust, they bust more than they succeed. Value is knowing who will succeed and that's a hard ass job.

 

[Bombshell11]

People can call someone a bust or a bad pick and as soon as they are good, champion them as if they always believed.

No one cares about the players predicted to bust, they bust more than they succeed. Value is knowing who will succeed and that's a hard ass job.

Amen

 

[montreal]

All I'm saying is if that's the outlook, it's not very fair to Mesar to have to produce with a player who doesn't need to produce.

I was one of the most excited here for the Beck pick and I agree he needs more seasoning. No reason to rush him. Let him adapt and come up strong rather than come up, not quite ready, and get lost in the shuffle.

life's not fair, and in the end this is just fans talking on a message board so it's meaningless, players like Mesar either learn to work harder or they don't and in a few years end up in the Euro leagues. Fans like to pretend they know at the draft how it's going to work out for said player, how they will handle things like failure, defeat, despite it being impossible to know these things, that won't stop them from telling us how they just knew he was always going to be this good or whatever.

Mesar is a playmaking winger that lacks size, strength, and has shown inconsistent efforts. That's a lot to overcome, the speed, skating, vision, playmaking are all NHL level so I don't even care about his points and never did as I hate stats more or less. He's either going to figure things out in time or he won't, what anyone says about him or his game on a message board is nothing but a waste of time.

 

[CHwest]

All I'm saying is if that's the outlook, it's not very fair to Mesar to have to produce with a player who doesn't need to produce.

I was one of the most excited here for the Beck pick and I agree he needs more seasoning. No reason to rush him. Let him adapt and come up strong rather than come up, not quite ready, and get lost in the shuffle.

Mesar has to produce because he brings little else.

 

[Bombshell11]

Mesar has to produce because he brings little else.

So untrue... but what ever at this point its no use to argue with people who simply dont bother.

 

[Tyson]

So untrue... but what ever at this point its no use to argue with people who simply dont bother.

Mesar has to produce because he brings little else.

Have you ever seen him play? Legit question

 

[Erika]

Mesar has to produce because he brings little else.

What if he develops a solid two way game in the next two years while still producing offensively ? We don't know with these kids.

 

[Bombshell11]

What if he develops a solid two way game in the next two years while still producing offensively ? We don't know with these kids.

That's a 1st line center right there.

 

[Paddy17]

life's not fair, and in the end this is just fans talking on a message board so it's meaningless, players like Mesar either learn to work harder or they don't and in a few years end up in the Euro leagues. Fans like to pretend they know at the draft how it's going to work out for said player, how they will handle things like failure, defeat, despite it being impossible to know these things, that won't stop them from telling us how they just knew he was always going to be this good or whatever.

Mesar is a playmaking winger that lacks size, strength, and has shown inconsistent efforts. That's a lot to overcome, the speed, skating, vision, playmaking are all NHL level so I don't even care about his points and never did as I hate stats more or less. He's either going to figure things out in time or he won't, what anyone says about him or his game on a message board is nothing but a waste of time.

It's alright for fans to have an opinion and even to dislike a pick. The problem is when they choose to die on that hill as soon as they voice their opinion, and proceed for the next 3 years to do anything to validate their initial opinion.

 

[Ozmodiar]

If Mesar doesn't produce what does he bring to the team? Beck will be in the NHL not because of his skill but how he plays the game.

Not because of his skill??

Have you seen Beck skate, shoot and check?

 

[Egresch]

Obviously, Mešár is little bit behind after two wasted years in OHL, but I still think he can have similar career as Matias Maccelli from Utah.

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[CHwest]

So untrue... but what ever at this point its no use to argue with people who simply dont bother.

Alright, if he is not producing goals either through scoring them or assisting on them what value does he have? Forecheck, checking, dogged defense.... what?

 

[Habs Halifax]

What if he develops a solid two way game in the next two years while still producing offensively ? We don't know with these kids.

I don't think he is the type to hold value if he is not putting up points. You're kind of right about unknown development and how hard Mesar will work at the flaws. But the track he is on is pointing towards generating points and not a 200' winger.

His biggest area of improvement is maturity and physical strength. NHL can smother you with the time/space and puck management area. Especially when a hit is coming or puck battles along the walls

Alright, if he is not producing goals either through scoring them or assisting on them what value does he have? Forecheck, checking, dogged defense.... what?

I'm with you on this one. Tough to play the negative card but so many like him struggle to reach their offensive potential.

I would not consider him a middle 6F solution in the 200' game. So if he is not a 50+ points forward, I doubt he provides stable D or provides physicality. Look at how the Bruins win... Top core who can score and most others are physical with good skating behind them. That to me is not Mesar.

 

[CHwest]

I don't think he is the type to hold value if he is not putting up points. You're kind of right about unknown development and how hard Mesar will work at the flaws. But the track he is on is pointing towards generating points and not a 200' winger.

His biggest area of improvement is maturity and physical strength. NHL can smother you with the time/space and puck management area. Especially when a hit is coming or puck battles along the walls



I'm with you on this one. Tough to play the negative card but so many like him struggle to reach their offensive potential.

I would not consider him a middle 6F solution in the 200' game. So if he is not a 50+ points forward, I doubt he provides stable D or provides physicality. Look at how the Bruins win... Top core who can score and most others are physical with good skating behind them. That to me is not Mesar.

He may develop a game that will lend itself to a 200' game and be effective on a 3rd or fourth line but that would be a stretch for him I think. Can he force his way onto the Habs top 6, with Ded's coming over it will be crowded there the next few years. Mesar, Hage, Beck, Newhook and maybe someone else, one spot that I can see. Be interesting to see what he can make of himself.

 

[Habs Halifax]

He may develop a game that will lend itself to a 200' game and be effective on a 3rd or fourth line but that would be a stretch for him I think. Can he force his way onto the Habs top 6, with Ded's coming over it will be crowded there the next few years. Mesar, Hage, Beck, Newhook and maybe someone else, one spot that I can see. Be interesting to see what he can make of himself.

He's got good speed and skill. I'll give him that. He needs to get physically stronger and learn the puck management in tight spaces. If he does, you never know but we will see.

 

[Rapala]

Alright, if he is not producing goals either through scoring them or assisting on them what value does he have? Forecheck, checking, dogged defense.... what?

Do you remember what our 3rd line of Tatar Danault and Gallagher looked like even though they were playing 1st line minutes.?
That is exactly what Mesar Beck and Davidson should be striving for.
That line had the best GF/GA 5v5 in the league and could play against anyone.
I for one would take that on my team tomorrow if i could have it.
My post a page or so back mentioned production is not even close to being what is most important at this point reliability and consistency in a role is.
Those three guys in particular all did well in the post season and got their fair share of points but also brought different elements to the table.
It's easy to see why Vincent put that line together in the first place and understand what he's hoping to get out of them.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Beck will be in the NHL not because of his skill but how he plays the game.

I'm having a bit of trouble with this. Isn't skating and shooting a skill. From what I saw in the first two games, Beck and Tuch were Laval's best skaters. And I would give Beck the edge because he has an element of quickness that is superior to Tuch's. Beck already has an NHL level shot, plus the ability to use it off the rush, a 'skill' that he used against Springfield and almost scored while penalty killing. His offensive vision and play making has already been acknowledged by Laval's coaching staff by placing him on the first power play unit. I'm trying to understand what skills he is lacking and which can't be developed with more playing time in Laval.

I think that this 20 year old has taken a quantum leap in his development and it shows dramatically in his play and the responsibilities that the coaching staff has entrusted him with.

This kid is no mere bottom six player. And if because of depth issues in Montreal, he is forced to play that role, this team is in great shape going forward.

 

[junyab]

Alright, if he is not producing goals either through scoring them or assisting on them what value does he have? Forecheck, checking, dogged defense.... what?

If he's not scoring or putting points on the board but still creating scoring chances, and forcing the opposing team to play defense more than offense, then that is valuable, no?

 

[CHwest]

If he's not scoring or putting points on the board but still creating scoring chances, and forcing the opposing team to play defense more than offense, then that is valuable, no?

Scoring chances need to be scored on occasionally or they are not really scoring chances. The league regularly has skilled players zooming around with all sorts of promise but never delivering. They don't last long because it soon becomes apparent that it leads nowhere.

 

[LaP]

For the people who are impatiently waiting to bust Beck and celebrate the failure of KH with a bottle of 100 years old wine it's important to not forget Philip Danault did 26 points in 72 games in his first AHL season. Hockey IQ can cover for many flaws in a player.