Prospect Info: Filip Mesar

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Lol you know absolutely nothing about Slafkovsky but you sit in front of your pc and call him a "pre-madonna" GTFO :facepalm: atleast you post dumb comments like this from your 2nd account

So im not interested to talk about Slaf here, it was just a comparison i was making between him and Mesar, Mesar is a humble guy that keeps his head down and Slaf displays signs of confidence and i meant he might be a little bit too confident at the moment and going forward that could become a double-edged sword here in montreal.
Just like Patioready here in mtl, he was great when he was scoring 35+ goals but everyone hated him when he was only scoring 15 goals.

And besides if you dont trust my opinion how about you go form your own opinion, educate yourself just go read at the scouting reports or watch footages. There's alot of work you can do in front of your pc, i choose to do the work, how about you do so as well.
 
We'll see how Mesar pans out but there's reasons why he was picked in the mid-20's and it's not just "politics".

That said, he's a good prospect and has a lot of translatable skills that may make him an NHLer. However, I think he has more bust potential if we're comparing him to Slafkovsky specifically. Could Mesar end up being the better more productive player? Maybe, but while I think Slaf is almost a lock to be an NHLer, I don't feel the same with Mesar.

I'm rooting for both of course, but before anyone e-rages about me being a Slaf fanboy, I wanted Cooley or Wright.
 
Just to amuse you heres a scouting report from the same website, the first one that popped in google:

Slaf #4
Projection and Comparison
Slafkovsky has an intriguing combination of size and ability. He could become the most dominant player in this draft. However, the risk here is also pretty high as he is also under-developed as a prospect and has a few things to really work on. Expect him to spend another year or two in Europe or the AHL before he is ready for full-time NHL duty. He has the type of power forward game that nearly every team is looking for though and his potential is sky high. Slafkovsky’s game is reminiscent of Jesse Puljujarvi at times. However, this is a stylistic comparison only and not one based on his skill and ability.

Mesar #15
Projection and Comparison
Mesar has the potential to be a top-six centre at the next level, but there are still some areas he will need to work on. He is likely a couple of years away from being ready for the NHL. Expect him to spend another year in Slovakia, possibly coming to the AHL for the 2023-24 season. He should be a key player for Slovakia at the August World Junior Tournament as well as at the 2023 Tournament next winter. Mesar needs to add some muscle to his frame. He also needs to work on lengthening his stride, which could improve his top-end speed. His compete-level and defensive game are good for his age, so he has a good chance to be an NHL player, even if he falls a little short on his offensive potential. His game is reminiscent of Saku Koivu. This is a stylistic comparison and not one based on skill and potential.


You can easely find posts i made that Mesar reminded me of Koivu. Slaf is good too but he's not where most people think he is because most people only look at the draft position and not the actual content of their game.

I hope you actually read this and do your due diligence

Jesus you are consistent.....and that is not a good thing.

You quote a site that has Slaf at #4 and Mesar at #15 and use that of an example of Mesar being the better prospect????? This isn't the first site you looked at either (you are grossly dishonest), this was the only site you could find that had them only separated by 11 picks. It should be no surprise that the same site has Mesar as a center when his is a right winger. You were unable to find anything anywhere to support your ludicrous claim so instead you find evidence that is slightly less damning towards your narrative and arbitrarily adopt it as an endorsement?

Intentionally spewing nonsense like you are doing is exactly what is wrong with the world today.

This will be my final interaction with you.
 
I mean Heineman, really? There’s kids like this everywhere. Most of them never make it, it’s just a really weird take. Where we are in team building I think the deal made sense, but the chances of these two having an impact greater than Toffoli is not high.
I always thought the purpose of the Toffoli trade was to create an opening at the top of the lineup for a struggling Caufield.
 
Jesus you are consistent.....and that is not a good thing.

You quote a site that has Slaf at #4 and Mesar at #15 and use that of an example of Mesar being the better prospect????? This isn't the first site you looked at either (you are grossly dishonest), this was the only site you could find that had them only separated by 11 picks. It should be no surprise that the same site has Mesar as a center when his is a right winger. You were unable to find anything anywhere to support your ludicrous claim so instead you find evidence that is slightly less damning towards your narrative and arbitrarily adopt it as an endorsement?

Intentionally spewing nonsense like you are doing is exactly what is wrong with the world today.

This will be my final interaction with you.

What kind of non sense is this... you're all over the place man and you're acting as if i care you're talking to me or not.

You're making false accusations based on nothing, what interest do i have to lie? Look up any scouting report you want, the information is out there almost no site claims Slaf to be a top generational talent (i know thats not what you claimed but you make it sound like those 2 players were far apart) they're all talking about a player who has alot of hockey development ahead, Slaf has an an nhl wrist shot and is bigger. Mesar has more attributes that can translate into the NHL, the only thing bringing Mesar down is his physicality and shot thats all but in terms of hockey Mesar has more useful tools and his hockey IQ is far superior AND he's got the character that the Molsons LOVE to see in a captain AND is pound for pound stronger. I mean did you not see those legs?

So my claim is not ridiculous at all that Mesar is the better hockey player because that is a fact and its true. If Mesar was 6.4 220 lb and played the same exact way he would have been the one to be drafted no1 without a doubt.

The teams will always prioritize height and physical attributes in a draft unless a player is head in shoulders above everyone else. So the difference between #4 and #15 in this context is their body frame.

So deal with it and don't hold a grudge againts me when you'll see the light in a few months. Its ok to be wrong and theres a chance ill be wrong too and its ok, we're only here to discuss our opinions.
 
I always thought the purpose of the Toffoli trade was to create an opening at the top of the lineup for a struggling Caufield.

There may be something to this, but as I see it, even with Toffoli, Toffoli and Caufield were our only legitimate top 6 wingers. So there was no need to trade Tofu to create an opening for Caufield. The top six was already barren.

At any rate, glad we got two good potential top 6 forwards for a slow, aging, over 30 player. Hope the prospects pan out!
 
It was to get a first and a good prospect for a player who will not be serviceable when we are competitive again and also free up cap space.

And the chance to trade a player with term without any salary retention. They took back an expiring contract to make the money work in Tyler Pitlick. So when you add the non-salary retention, the good prospect, and a 1st round pick, you see why they pulled the trade when they did.
 
It was to get a first and a good prospect for a player who will not be serviceable when we are competitive again and also free up cap space.
I was more responding to the point he was making that the players we got weren't going to replace Toffoli and I was pointing out that we were replacing him from other players in our prospect pool.
 
And the chance to trade a player with term without any salary retention. They took back an expiring contract to make the money work in Tyler Pitlick. So when you add the non-salary retention, the good prospect, and a 1st round pick, you see why they pulled the trade when they did.
It was a beautiful trade that will bare fruit.
 
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I was more responding to the point he was making that the players we got weren't going to replace Toffoli and I was pointing out that we were replacing him from other players in our prospect pool.
I was merely pointing out that this trade wasn’t some sort of robbery the poster I was quoting seemed to indicate. I agree with the direction management took. I actually like the deal based on our roster makeup and timeline to compete, but I wouldn’t call this a steal. There’s a chance and it’s probably a pretty good chance that we get nothing of note for the NHL roster out of this deal.
 
What kind of non sense is this... you're all over the place man and you're acting as if i care you're talking to me or not.

You're making false accusations based on nothing, what interest do i have to lie? Look up any scouting report you want, the information is out there almost no site claims Slaf to be a top generational talent (i know thats not what you claimed but you make it sound like those 2 players were far apart) they're all talking about a player who has alot of hockey development ahead, Slaf has an an nhl wrist shot and is bigger. Mesar has more attributes that can translate into the NHL, the only thing bringing Mesar down is his physicality and shot thats all but in terms of hockey Mesar has more useful tools and his hockey IQ is far superior AND he's got the character that the Molsons LOVE to see in a captain AND is pound for pound stronger. I mean did you not see those legs?

So my claim is not ridiculous at all that Mesar is the better hockey player because that is a fact and its true. If Mesar was 6.4 220 lb and played the same exact way he would have been the one to be drafted no1 without a doubt.

The teams will always prioritize height and physical attributes in a draft unless a player is head in shoulders above everyone else. So the difference between #4 and #15 in this context is their body frame.

So deal with it and don't hold a grudge againts me when you'll see the light in a few months. Its ok to be wrong and theres a chance ill be wrong too and its ok, we're only here to discuss our opinions.
I think you are mixing up the word "fact" with "opinion". You are entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.

Saying player A is better than player B and calling it a "fact" is pretty bold considering that comparing players is not an exact science and more often than not it is difficult to say who is a better player overall.

If we go by numbers, Slaf already has experience from 4 senior international tournaments, he was MVP at one of them and the top scorer on his team at two of those tournaments.

Mesar is yet to play at a senior international tournament.

Slafkovsky played last season in the top Finnish league. Mesar played in a much weaker Slovak league. Their stats were not that different. If Mesar was a better player, then he should have scored a lot more in the Slovak league.

Slaf was voted the best Slovak hockey player of the year and he became the youngest player ever to win that award. Mesar wasn't even in the running.

The scouting reports that you quoted don't say that Mesar is better than Slaf either. If they did, then Slaf wouldn't have been ranked higher. Saying that Mesar would have been picked 1st if he was taller is just a speculation, but regardless of that, he is not taller and height does matter in hockey, whether you like it or not. Those reports also seem a little outdated to me. As if they were written before the Olympics and the World Championships. But even then they say this:

About Slaf: "He has the type of power forward game that nearly every team is looking for though and his potential is sky high."

About Mesar: "he has a good chance to be an NHL player, even if he falls a little short on his offensive potential."

Now that doesn't sound like an endorsement of your point of view at all. And remember, these are the reports that you decided to quote to support your claims.

I like both of them, of course, I am a Slovak and I want both of them to succeed, but at the moment Slaf is by any objective metric the better player and it's not even close. It may change in the future (although I doubt it), but that remains to be seen.
 
Next Pastrnak would be great
I think he'll end up being more of an Andrew Shaw type of player, at the NHL level at least, a bit different then him but it's almost how he has to adapt to succeed. And, I'll be happy if that's the kund of player he becomes.
 
Habs fandom tends to set up nonsensical rivalries and Mesar vs Slafkovsky is the latest example. It's ridiculous.

1) They're friends.
2) They play different positions.
3) Mesar might become the better player, but it's unlikely.

Agreed, I was only in the discussion because BB went off the rails like usual. I love the Mesar pick but for a poster to come in here shouting Mesar is objectively better than Slafkovski with no evidence was just begging for a slap.

I think he'll end up being more of an Andrew Shaw type of player, at the NHL level at least, a bit different then him but it's almost how he has to adapt to succeed. And, I'll be happy if that's the kund of player he becomes.
I see more of a winger version of Plekanec
 
Agreed, I was only in the discussion because BB went off the rails like usual. I love the Mesar pick but for a poster to come in here shouting Mesar is objectively better than Slafkovski with no evidence was just begging for a slap.


I see more of a winger version of Plekanec

Mesar is not going to make it as a winger in the NHL, he played both positions but last time i checked the org wanted him to be a center and thats where they'll be evaluating him on. The fact you dont know this proves my point that you're uneducated on this player.

Slaf is a high risk at 1OA, he's got alot to develop to become the dominant NHLer i'm assuming you think he'll be.

If you never done it you can watch this youtube video of scouching,


Mesar's plateau is Koivu/St-Louis and he's alot closer to that than Slaf is to becoming a Lecavalier

And i my self like both picks and i love the fact they're friends, i'm just so excited about the Mesar pick that i just want to share my excitement.

I hope Slaf becomes a 120 pts player, i just dont trust the habs org. However i do trust that Mesar has it to become the next captain and leader of the team
 
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Are we trading Suzuki anytime soon and I missed the news?

Suzuki is going to be our next Captain!

How is Mesar becoming the captain?

idk about that but im obviously talking about the captaincy after this one
 
idk about that but im obviously talking about the captaincy after this one
I mean, Suzuki's been in almost all the media videos released by the Habs since the season end, and he was on the stage for the announcement of the Slafkovsky pick!

I don't know how many more hints you need...


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