Value of: Filip Forsberg

unicornpig

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I love Kempe, which probably puts me at odds with a lot of Kings fans for some reason, but why would the Preds trade a better player that's only 2 years older if he's all we're getting in return? :huh:
because hes leaving as a ufa LOL
 

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Link? He could just as easily re-sign. We have no idea what Poile is planning at this point.

And the Preds can easily get better value than Kempe from dealing him.
then get something else, what were you expecting kings fans to offer turcotte, byfield LOL
 

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then get something else, what were you expecting kings fans to offer turcotte, byfield LOL
Not at all. Who's asking for that level of prospect? Preds should be looking at, and based on Poile's comments last year when there were teams asking on Ekholm and Forsberg, a 1st and a high-level prospect. Moving a productive 1st line forward and getting back a 25-year old player with a career high of 37 points (5 years ago) and a 2nd would be a very poor deal for the Preds.
 

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Nashville will also have teams talking to Forsbergs agent and if he has a place he will resign in mind ( la to play with Arvidson comes to mind) it will lessen the offers and possible return for a rental Any team trading for him will want a shot at resigning him or will not give a great offer.
 

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Nashville will also have teams talking to Forsbergs agent and if he has a place he will resign in mind ( la to play with Arvidson comes to mind) it will lessen the offers and possible return for a rental Any team trading for him will want a shot at resigning him or will not give a great offer.
Forsberg has no trade protections and there are likely a lot of teams that would look to add him for a Cup run and nothing more, getting proper value for him should not be an issue assuming the Preds decide to trade him. They can, naturally, probably get a better deal if he works out an extension before-hand, but it's not going to kill the market for him if that doesn't happen. This isn't a disgruntled player with a list of 8 teams he can go to and only 2 of them can actually afford to take him type of scenario.
 
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Forsberg has no trade protections and there are likely a lot of teams that would look to add him for a Cup run and nothing more, getting proper value for him should not be an issue assuming the Preds decide to trade him. They can, naturally, probably get a better deal if he works out an extension before-hand, but it's not going to kill the market for him if that doesn't happen. This isn't a disgruntled player with a list of 8 teams he can go to and only 2 of them can actually afford to take him type of scenario.
It may or may not kill the market (debate this) it will however lower the offer your going to get for him if hes flat out saying hes going ufa to a certain team No team is going to pay top assets for a playoff run only. Sorry not happening.
 

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They will 1000% find a better offer than Kempe. You make it sound as if there's no in between from Kempe to Byfield so it's either all or nothing :huh:
I'd offer Kempe and Vilardi, plus a defensive prospect ala Grans, but they would need to be able to speak to his agent regarding an extension first.

Kopitar centering Forsberg and Arvidsson, the dominant possession line of Danault, Iafallo and Athanasiou, with a returning Byfield centering a kid line and and the ultra tenacious 4th line, the Kings would be a threat a year or two earlier than planned. Well worth moving a top prospect for, considering what's coming up just down the road.
 

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I'd offer Kempe and Vilardi, plus a defensive prospect ala Grans, but they would need to be able to speak to his agent regarding an extension first.

Kopitar centering Forsberg and Arvidsson, the dominant possession line of Danault, Iafallo and Athanasiou, with a returning Byfield centering a kid line and and the ultra tenacious 4th line, the Kings would be a threat a year or two earlier than planned. Well worth moving a top prospect for, considering what's coming up just down the road.
I'm not sure if this set-up would work that well. Forsberg likes to be puck dominant so I'm iffy on him meshing with Kopitar. For the Preds, Forsberg and Arvidsson started to look far too comfortable playing with each other (and Johansen) after the first year or so that line was successful--the effort, drive, and urgency just didn't seem to be there anymore and there was a lot of passive "going through the motions" on the offensive side of the puck. I have no doubt they like playing together, but I don't know it's the way to get the best out of either at this point. With recent history as well, one of them is likely to be on the IR at any given time as well.
 

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It may or may not kill the market (debate this) it will however lower the offer your going to get for him if hes flat out saying hes going ufa to a certain team No team is going to pay top assets for a playoff run only. Sorry not happening.

Every pred fan in this thread has said he will be expected to hit UFA status and offers should be based on that. You then present the same information back to us to minimize the offer. A 1st and nice prospect is a realistic offer. Nobody has given a list of blue chip prospects as an expected return. Teams trade a nice prospect and a 1st on the regular for rentals and Forsberg will be as good of a rental as you can find on probably 75% of deadlines.
 
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I'm not sure if this set-up would work that well. Forsberg likes to be puck dominant so I'm iffy on him meshing with Kopitar. For the Preds, Forsberg and Arvidsson started to look far too comfortable playing with each other (and Johansen) after the first year or so that line was successful--the effort, drive, and urgency just didn't seem to be there anymore and there was a lot of passive "going through the motions" on the offensive side of the puck. I have no doubt they like playing together, but I don't know it's the way to get the best out of either at this point. With recent history as well, one of them is likely to be on the IR at any given time as well.
Have you seen what Kopitar can do even with the corpse of Dustin Brown on his wing? It wouldn't be a problem. Complacency is based on stagnation and hitting plateaus, we are all too familiar with that here in LA. Quality players rebound - we saw how Carter, Toffoli and to a degree Pearson hit a wall and stayed there until a move shook that quality loose.
 
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Every pred fan in this thread has said he will be expected to hit UFA status and offers should be based on that. You then present the same information back to us to minimize the offer. A 1st and nice prospect is a realistic offer. Nobody has given a list of blue chip prospects as an expected return. Teams trade a nice prospect and a 1st on the regular for rentals and Forsberg will be as good of a rental as you can find on probably 75% of deadlines.
If you look back at my posts in this thread my offer was a first and a madden jad thomas (pick one) type offer. My only reason for posting was that the one poster i quote was saying they would get better offers then Kempe vilardi I don't think that
is that bad of a offer and with teams only going to get him for a playoff run are not going to give better offers.
 

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Have you seen what Kopitar can do even with the corpse of Dustin Brown on his wing? It wouldn't be a problem. Complacency is based on stagnation and hitting plateaus, we are all too familiar with that here in LA. Quality players rebound - we saw how Carter, Toffoli and to a degree Pearson hit a wall and stayed there until a move shook that quality loose.
I think it is more to do with Kopitar being very puck dominant and Forsberg's tendency to want to be the same. Then again, if the Preds could get him to stop being that way it would probably benefit his game a bit (though not sure the Kings would have any more luck).
 
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If you look back at my posts in this thread my offer was a first and a madden jad thomas (pick one) type offer. My only reason for posting was that the one poster i quote was saying they would get better offers then Kempe vilardi I don't think that
is that bad of a offer and with teams only going to get him for a playoff run are not going to give better offers.
No, we said they'd get better offers than Kempe and a 2nd (or just Kempe as the centerpiece), and they will. Kempe and Vilardi came up after all that.
 

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No, we said they'd get better offers than Kempe and a 2nd (or just Kempe as the centerpiece), and they will. Kempe and Vilardi came up after all that.
fair enough but i don't see better then kempe and 2nd for a rental that will play between 10 and 30ish games max. Lets not pretend Kempe is dog crap He is a middle six winger with upside. A touch streaky but a good young player/
 

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How many concussions has Forsberg had? Is that what he's out with now? Serious question, not trying to comeback with a lowball offer. Haven't followed his injuries. Sometimes players can bounce back like Williams, depending on the type of injury.
 

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fair enough but i don't see better then kempe and 2nd for a rental that will play between 10 and 30ish games max. Lets not pretend Kempe is dog crap He is a middle six winger with upside. A touch streaky but a good young player/
Kempe's a fine player, probably my favorite Kings player (then again, I was a huge Frolov fan, so I'm weird like that), but unless there's a huge amount of untapped potential and consistency he's suddenly going to find his upside is limited and he is not what I'm looking for as the primary return on a player like Forsberg. It feels weird that this should sound controversial.
 
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How many concussions has Forsberg had? Is that what he's out with now? Serious question, not trying to comeback with a lowball offer. Haven't followed his injuries. Sometimes players can bounce back like Williams, depending on the type of injury.
Based on how he got injured that would be our assumption. I think this would be his...second maybe? The other one I can remember was years and years ago though. He seems good at this point to miss 10+ games a season, but the injuries vary.
 

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Kings are no where close to buy a rental like him. Just make the playoffs first.

Where did I say rental. He is on our radar if available at the TDL but it will depend on costs + extension or not. Similar to the Stone deal. We need a top winger next year..Brown is done as a top line player.
 

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No, we said they'd get better offers than Kempe and a 2nd (or just Kempe as the centerpiece), and they will. Kempe and Vilardi came up after all that.
that offer is with the assumption their an extension involved
 

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I don't think Kempe and a 2nd is a bad offer, but I don't really think it would be the best offer we got. I would rather roll the dice on the younger player/prospect who still has more developing/upside.
 
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Are the Kings very likely to make the playoffs? If not, maybe they should really just be thinking about trying to sign him as a UFA in the summer, and leave the rental offers to other contending teams? :dunno:

I don't think we're really expecting offers on Forsberg from teams which might have higher 1st round picks like that. I mean, who knows where either team will be in March anyway. Maybe the Preds will have already extended Forsberg by then and maybe the Kings will still be sitting pretty in a playoff spot. But I wouldn't have thought the Kings would be bidders on a deadline-rental Forsberg, anyway.
 

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