Player Discussion Filip Chytil: Part III

[IDvsEGO]

The team is allowed to release the information

You are 100% correct.
But that word allow is the most important word.
You as a fan should have zero expectation of information aside from what the team and player allow you to have.
demands or expectations of information is just wrong.

 

[SA16]

You are 100% correct.
But that word allow is the most important word.
You as a fan should have zero expectation of information aside from what the team and player allow you to have.
demands or expectations of information is just wrong.

Sure, but I was responding to a comment about the "right to health privacy" which is something players give away when they agree to join the league.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Sure, but I was responding to a comment about the "right to health privacy" which is something players give away when they agree to join the league.

again they give it up to one specific group. Not to the general public.

 

[Atax]

again they give it up to one specific group. Not to the general public.

I posted the CBA for him and I guess he didn't read it. It basically says the team can say that they're injured, can/cant travel with the team, and I think if they had surgery? It explicitly states they can only release more info with the permission of the player. He's just wrong. I could be misreading it.

Sure, but I was responding to a comment about the "right to health privacy" which is something players give away when they agree to join the league.

I posted the CBA which doesnt match up with what your stating. Again, I might be misreading it. I'm no legal scholar.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Sure, but I was responding to a comment about the "right to health privacy" which is something players give away when they agree to join the league.

Not they don’t lol.

 

[SA16]

I posted the CBA for him and I guess he didn't read it. It basically says the team can say that they're injured, can/cant travel with the team, and I think if they had surgery? It explicitly states they can only release more info with the permission of the player. He's just wrong. I could be misreading it.


I posted the CBA which doesnt match up with what your stating. Again, I might be misreading it. I'm no legal scholar.

Your post said exactly what I am saying. The last paragraph is specifically about "public relations purposes" and basically states the club can say whatever they want for injuries that occur on company time.

"The nature of a players injury...the prognosis and anticipated length of recovery...treatment and surgical procedures..."

It then states for issues that are not hockey/organization related (i.e. someone coming down with a serious illness) all they have to say is the player has a health issue and will not play for some period of time but they do not need to give more details.

Not they don’t lol.

Sure they do, lol, I'd say read the CBA but I'm sure you won't. Not to worry Atax already posted it.

 

[bhamill]

100%. Especially with a guy that had multiple concessions. But it begs the question, how in the world do you let that guy return to the game? They just cleared him of having a concussion. But, after a quick 5 minute evaluation, he returns to the game? You have to handle this guy different than anyone else. How do they not understand that?

I like to think I wouldn’t have, but maybe Fil was insisting he was fine at first. Sometimes with adrenalin you dont feel the pain right away.

 

[Atax]

Your post said exactly what I am saying. T

Yeah I see what you're saying. I think my brain got a big confused by the previous entry. (Only certain info with consent of player). Maybe that meant something outside of the intended uses. Work in healthcare so its been hardwired to think a certain way with it. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[SA16]

Yeah I see what you're saying. I think my brain got a big confused by the previous entry. (Only certain info with consent of player). Maybe that meant something outside of the intended uses. Work in healthcare so its been hardwired to think a certain way with it. Thanks for pointing it out.

It is pretty much just anything that occurred on the ice or in a team facility can be reported publicly with as much detail as desired.

Something outside of that (such as Mike Reilly's recent heart condition) can not be reported with any detail without consent of the player.

 

[94leetch]

Great news.What the heck happened to him then?

 

[DevilDog99]

Got his bell rung. Have to be safe with his history. It’s not rocket science fellas….. he had to make an appt with a specialist like anyone else.

Seems like common sense…..

GREAT NEWS!!!

 

[94leetch]

Got his bell rung. Have to be safe with his history. It’s not rocket science fellas….. he had to make an appt with a specialist like anyone else.

Seems like common sense…..

GREAT NEWS!!!

Umm, isn't that what they used to call concussions LOL?

 

[will1066]

The team landed in Calgary minutes ago. Do we know if Chytil got there before them? Or is he going to meet them later?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I trust only @GoAwayPanarin for HFDocs advice.

The HFDocs take their 10000000000000th L.


Don’t blame them this time though, that one looked bad. This wasn’t an instance of someone blocking a shot with their foot and everyone speculating on a season ending shoulder injury only for the player to not miss a shift.

 

[tlk]

The team landed in Calgary minutes ago. Do we know if Chytil got there before them? Or is he going to meet them later?

Should've got there before them

 

[Takeahnase]

Needs to go straight to the ice from the tunnel and score a hat trick as we need a new Willis Reed memory.

 

[will1066]

Should've got there before them

I think at the end of the day the important thing is that they're together now.

 

[Levitate]

Not giving a timeline and not giving a diagnosis is not fun from a fan perspective. You spend the entire season completely in the dark. I know this probably sounds entitled but I like knowing why my players aren't playing and for how long. Last year the Chytil saga was unbearable.

sounds like a you problem?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

sounds like a you problem?

I'm sure I'm not the only one. Considering fans are paying customers and this is shitty customer service I see no problem in the complaint.

If you want to play the game of nothing outside of the actual game is any of your business why do we need to know players' contract details?

 

[bhamill]

Fans can WANT anything they like. But we are NOT entitled to player's medical details. Sure gamblers REALLY want to know, so what?
Can't speak for anyone else, but I don't give a shit about the details. I respect the players' privacy on medical matters. Even if the team is ALLOWED to publicize, without the player consent, (which I don't read as being the case) I'd prefer they defer to the player.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Fans can WANT anything they like. But we are NOT entitled to player's medical details. Sure gamblers REALLY want to know, so what?
Can't speak for anyone else, but I don't give a shit about the details. I respect the players' privacy on medical matters. Even if the team is ALLOWED to publicize, without the player consent, (which I don't read as being the case) I'd prefer they defer to the player.

Why do we know anything about public figures? If you don't want private info publicized I suggest you go be an office worker. But not a successful one that might become CEO because then we'll learn about your infidelities and whatnot.

 

[frozenrubber]

Not giving a timeline and not giving a diagnosis is not fun from a fan perspective. You spend the entire season completely in the dark. I know this probably sounds entitled but I like knowing why my players aren't playing and for how long. Last year the Chytil saga was unbearable.

See above emphasis, they aren't your players, full stop.

Were you going to cook some chicken soup for Filip? If an injury to a player was 'unbearable' to you, that's something you should probably work on.

For all the actual stamping of feet you do in your real life, I really hope you don't live above anyone.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

See above emphasis, they aren't your players, full stop.

Were you going to cook some chicken soup for Filip? If an injury to a player was 'unbearable' to you, that's something you should probably work on.

For all the actual stamping of feet you do in your real life, I really hope you don't live above anyone.

Considering the team wouldn't exist without fans, dismissing fans as a non-entity is ridiculous.

 

[bhamill]

Why do we know anything about public figures? If you don't want private info publicized I suggest you go be an office worker. But not a successful one that might become CEO because then we'll learn about your infidelities and whatnot.

Not all information is protected the same way... This doesn't change at all my feelings on the situation. As I expect my post did not change yours. Hahahaha. Just giving my take, not saying anyone has to agree.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Not all information is protected the same way... This doesn't change at all my feelings on the situation. As I expect my post did not change yours. Hahahaha. Just giving my take, not saying anyone has to agree.

Well considering in other sports we learn this info then it's probably not protected by law.