Player Discussion Filip Chytil: Part II

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Tank for Calamari

 

[Tob]

It's a tricky situation. I'm not in favor of spending big for a rental. If we get someone with term, that can work, but what happens if Fil comes back next season? We might be better off just getting a couple cheap upgrades and hoping we get hot.

Given how they have handled the situation thus far, I'm confident they will do the right thing for him.


I suppose it's possible, but I can't imagine Chytil faking an injury set back and being okay with missing the rest of the season.

ya i unno, it's just so dramatic.... no one witnesses anything then bam, down for an hour in pain then the media all receive the same info.

 

[SA16]

How about we let Chytil, his family, and his doctors decide what he wants to do about his career going forward rather than making decisions for him?

 

[B17 Apricots]

Bummer

 

[bl02]

And that's all going to cost draft picks and prospects. Do we really want to do that again?

Exactly! NOPE!
I am not trading a first rounder (and we basically are bereft of 2nd rounders) or anyone like Berard, Sykora, Garand, Othmann to sacrifice in helping this core.
If Drury can go out and make a Vatrano like trade for a 4th rounder fine.
With Fil LTIR'd they do have cap space so hopefully they don't have to attach assets to make the money work.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[Kodiak]

Throughout his recovery, I’ve been trying to stay positive and not read too much into speculative reports, but this really sucks. This tears a huge hole in the lineup and keeps one of our most exciting players off the ice.

Also, Fil seems like a good guy and doesn’t deserve any of this. I’m still hoping for a full recovery whether it involves hockey or not.

 

[Levitate]

How about we let Chytil, his family, and his doctors decide what he wants to do about his career going forward rather than making decisions for him?

regardless of what happens with his future career I think it's pretty plain right now that the Rangers need to go forward this season like he's not coming back. They need to fill that hole they have with center somehow. If Chytil actually ends up good enough to return for the playoffs, great, but the team can't rely on him to be healthy at this point

 

[Whoot Whoot]

Does this happen to all teams or did we get an unfair share ?

 

[Harbour Dog]

That really sucks for Chytil. Hopefully he is able to get himself healthy enough that it doesn't interfere with his everyday life.

At this point, we have to move forward assuming he's not coming back, and deal with it if/when he does. Any window we might have could slam shut in a year or two.

 

[SA16]

regardless of what happens with his future career I think it's pretty plain right now that the Rangers need to go forward this season like he's not coming back. They need to fill that hole they have with center somehow. If Chytil actually ends up good enough to return for the playoffs, great, but the team can't rely on him to be healthy at this point

I think there is no need to do anything well in advance of the deadline. Despite the doom and gloom around here they are not at risk to miss the playoffs. They have the third odds of any team in the East. At the moment we don't know any details of this "setback." Neither do the reporters. It could be a day, a week, a month, longer. Who knows? There's still around 6 weeks until the deadline so might as well wait until they have more information on the status of Chytil, Edstrom and others. If it's a minor setback they can't exactly go out and add someone because of the cap. If it's major they will need to do so. They'll know more 6 weeks from now thant hey do today.

 

[mxyxptlk]

Going off on a tangent here -- let's suppose FC doesn't return, what happens with respect to his contract?

 

[savebyrichter94]

I feel so bad for this young man it’s just wild that he’s been training hard enough to get to this point of rejoining the team and then this happens just skating around and feeling the puck

 

[GAGLine]

Going off on a tangent here -- let's suppose FC doesn't return, what happens with respect to his contract?

He will be on LTIR for as long as he is out, so in that event, it's something we'll have to account for until his contract ends.

 

[mxyxptlk]

I feel so bad for this young man it’s just wild that he’s been training hard enough to get to this point of rejoining the team and then this happens just skating around and feeling the puck

Makes you wonder if all the skating and hard training may have unknowingly aggravated the situation somewhat.

 

[savebyrichter94]

Makes you wonder if all the skating and hard training may have unknowingly aggravated the situation somewhat.

Yea I guess that’s the fear that maybe it was a result of ramping up etc, even more odd since they said he’s been symptom free since sometime in November I believe and has been training this whole time, either way I just hope for the best for him

 

[McRanger92]

And that's all going to cost draft picks and prospects. Do we really want to do that again?

Rangers aren’t going into the playoffs with Brodzinski at 3C when they are in first in an extremely weak metro division. Regardless of how down we are on them at the current moment.

 

[will1066]

He’s going to play again this year.

Eat your L, HFDocs.

The L has been retroactively amended to a W.

But seriously, he went home and trained, doing neck and jaw strengthening work, then people there declared him fit and ready to come back, then he comes back, and on the second day of his return, something occurred related to his concussion, causing him to injure his leg severely enough that he wasn't able to put weight on it.

Even if the leg thing is not going to be serious, the fact that it happened without contact is serious enough. If he ever were to come back, we'd see a player who is more timid about contact than Zibanejad.

 

[Levitate]

I think there is no need to do anything well in advance of the deadline. Despite the doom and gloom around here they are not at risk to miss the playoffs. They have the third odds of any team in the East. At the moment we don't know any details of this "setback." Neither do the reporters. It could be a day, a week, a month, longer. Who knows? There's still around 6 weeks until the deadline so might as well wait until they have more information on the status of Chytil, Edstrom and others. If it's a minor setback they can't exactly go out and add someone because of the cap. If it's major they will need to do so. They'll know more 6 weeks from now thant hey do today.

I'm not sure there's any way to tell if it's a "minor" setback when you're dealing with concussions and something non-contact happening, that's part of the issue. Maybe he's fine next week, maybe he never recovers, who knows? But that uncertainty means the Rangers can't just rely on him getting better. I agree there's no need to jump out right this second to fix the hole in the lineup but at this point I'd be pretty shocked if they don't just keep him on LTIR until the playoffs and use the replacement cap space to bring someone in at or before the deadline.

Makes you wonder if all the skating and hard training may have unknowingly aggravated the situation somewhat.

I mean...you can only go by how things are feeling so if he's been training and working out for the past two months without issue then there's not much else you can do if you're trying to return to playing hockey. Obviously something did aggravate the situation or we wouldn't be talking about how he collapsed on the ice, but if he hadn't been training before now then he wouldn't have even been at the spot to try returning to practice.

The L has been retroactively amended to a W.

But seriously, he went home and trained, doing neck and jaw strengthening work, then people there declared him fit and ready to come back, then he comes back, and on the second day of his return, something occurred related to his concussion, causing him to injure his leg severely enough that he wasn't able to put weight on it.

Even if the leg thing is not going to be serious, the fact that it happened without contact is serious enough. If he ever were to come back, we'd see a player who is more timid about contact than Zibanejad.

I don't think we have any indication whether he actually hurt his leg or not. him "not putting pressure on his leg" might have been him not being stable enough to skate off on his own and needed help and people were speculating about what happened

 

[SA16]

I'm not sure there's any way to tell if it's a "minor" setback when you're dealing with concussions and something non-contact happening, that's part of the issue. Maybe he's fine next week, maybe he never recovers, who knows? But that uncertainty means the Rangers can't just rely on him getting better. I agree there's no need to jump out right this second to fix the hole in the lineup but at this point I'd be pretty shocked if they don't just keep him on LTIR until the playoffs and use the replacement cap space to bring someone in at or before the deadline.



I mean...you can only go by how things are feeling so if he's been training and working out for the past two months without issue then there's not much else you can do if you're trying to return to playing hockey. Obviously something did aggravate the situation or we wouldn't be talking about how he collapsed on the ice, but if he hadn't been training before now then he wouldn't have even been at the spot to try returning to practice.

Well, yea we don't know now. But it'll be fairly obvious it's minor if he's back on the ice in the next week or two. and is able to continue without issue. If he hasn't been able to work out or do anything for a month obviously it's a large set back and they need to make a significant alternate plan. They need an alternate plan regardless but his status has a large affect on how much available space they can spend. I don't think they'll LTIR him until the playoffs though. If he hasn't come back by the end of the season I doubt they just put him back in for the playoffs after not playing for 6 months with no idea what his performance will be like. Well, more specifically, I don't think the plan would be to LTIR him until the playoffs. If he happens to naturally be ready sometime in the playoffs that's one thing but I think if he's on LTIR the whole regular season there's no way he'll be activated for game 1 of the playoffs in a Kucherov type scenario. I think it would just mean he's not ready to come back at that point.

 

[gump116]

He will be on LTIR for as long as he is out, so in that event, it's something we'll have to account for until his contract ends.

Yeah hopefully won’t have to cross that bridge, but in that case he likely ends up getting traded to Arizona to get him off our books and help them hit the cap floor

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

This really sucks

 

[Levitate]

Well, yea we don't know now. But it'll be fairly obvious it's minor if he's back on the ice in the next week or two. and is able to continue without issue. If he hasn't been able to work out or do anything for a month obviously it's a large set back and they need to make a significant alternate plan. They need an alternate plan regardless but his status has a large affect on how much available space they can spend. I don't think they'll LTIR him until the playoffs though. If he hasn't come back by the end of the season I doubt they just put him back in for the playoffs after not playing for 6 months with no idea what his performance will be like. Well, more specifically, I don't think the plan would be to LTIR him until the playoffs. If he happens to naturally be ready sometime in the playoffs that's one thing but I think if he's on LTIR the whole regular season there's no way he'll be activated for game 1 of the playoffs in a Kucherov type scenario. I think it would just mean he's not ready to come back at that point.

I mean more like they have to make the decision about whether to replace him before the deadline, and once that decision is made then he's out until the playoffs even if after that he is back to 100% full health and is ready to rejoin the team.

The scary thing is obviously that after months of no symptoms he apparently went down on the ice with no contact involved and however that happened it is related to or re-aggravated the injury. If he can't get past the "just skating around with the puck during practice" stage then I have a hard time trying to convince myself that it's minor

It might be silly that Vince has been repeatedly saying stuff about this being not just a hockey issue but a quality of life situation for Chytil since the injury happened but I get the feeling the people he's been talking to for his info have and the way they've been relaying it have been why he's reported on it like that. Not just that he's making shit up

 

[SA16]

I mean more like they have to make the decision about whether to replace him before the deadline, and once that decision is made then he's out until the playoffs even if after that he is back to 100% full health and is ready to rejoin the team.

The scary thing is obviously that after months of no symptoms he apparently went down on the ice with no contact involved and however that happened it is related to or re-aggravated the injury. If he can't get past the "just skating around with the puck during practice" stage then I have a hard time trying to convince myself that it's minor

It might be silly that Vince has been repeatedly saying stuff about this being not just a hockey issue but a quality of life situation for Chytil since the injury happened but I get the feeling the people he's been talking to for his info have and the way they've been relaying it have been why he's reported on it like that. Not just that he's making shit up

Just to note we don't know if he actually went down with no-contact or what happened because not a single reporter who was at practice was apparently watching the practice.

The "Quality of Life" argument is a stupid one. Why are all these people so obsessed with making his decision for him? It's up to Chytil if he thinks playing is worth the risk and nobody else. If he's willing to rake the risk then he should do what he can do to come back. If he doesn't think it's worth the risk then he shouldn't. These guys are just non-stop now with coming off like they are looking out for the good of everyone.

 

[hardnosed]

Got a feeling that the concussion itself was probably very severe. If I recall, innocent collision, he played a few shifts, then was gone to locker room. Then no symptoms since November but still takes 2 months to get to this point. Have to think that symptoms were very, very bad right after the concussion.