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I can picture it now. After all the advice from top doctors and team officials, Fil reads all 67 pages of his HFNYR thread to make the final decision on his playing career
Player Discussion Filip Chytil: Part II
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no one is making the decision for him, I don't even know why your'e all up in arms about that. It's basically short hand for "not sure it looks like he can come back and play professional hockey"
We've also seen players with severe concussion history struggle with daily life stuff and have mental health problems.
But yes it is up to him if he wants to keep trying. It'll be up to a team as to whether they want to sign him and commit to dealing with the potential future fallout as well.
Shadowtron
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Might as well get depressed and recap the last 30 years of drafting first round forwards, shall we?
1994: Dan Cloutier (G) #26, with Elias, Drury, Alfredsson, Hejduk & Odin left on the board
1995: No 1st Round Pick
1996: Jeff Brown (D) #22, with Brier selected at #24
1997: Stefan Cherneski #19, Highly touted junior player forced to retire due to a shattered knee injury before playing an NHL game
1998: Manny Malhotra #7, Compared to Adam Graves, bombs with Rangers over 4 seasons, traded and has respectable career. Tanguay selected at #12, Gagne #22
1999: Pavel Brendl #4, completely bombs but is traded for Lindros.
Jamie Lundmark #9. This wasn’t a great draft. . Lundmark bombed and had a pedestrian career, at best.
2000: No 1st Round Pick
2001: Dan Blackburn (G), who retires due to workout injury after two seasons.
2002: No 1st Round Pick
2003: Hugh Jessiman #12, busts out, plays in 2 NHL games 7 years after he is drafted. Dustin Brown selected next at #13. Parise, Getzlaf, Kesler, Richards & Perry amongst other stars subsequently drafted in the same round.
2004: Al Montoya (G) #6,
Lauri Korpikoski #19. Korpy plays one year with Rangers and is traded. Plays over 600 NHL games. Wasn’t a strong draft/1st round. Radulov, Zajac and Drew Stafford went amongst them.
2005: Marc Staal (D) #12, Good pick
2006: Bobby Sanguinetti (D) #21 Claude Giroux goes next to the Flyers at #22. Nick Foligno to Ott at #28.
2007: Alexei Cherepanov #17, Tragically passes away at age 19. Max Pacioretty selected at #22. Backlund #24, Perron, #26
2008: Micheal Del Zotto (D) #20, Eberle #22, Ennis #26, John Carlson #27.
2009: Chris Kreider #19. Excellent pick
2010: Dylan McIlrath (D) #10, Tarasenko drafted #16, Kevin Hayes #24, Kuznetsov #26, Brock Nelson #30.
2011: JT Miller #15, Has strong seasons with Rangers, is traded and blows up to a 90 point player.
2012: Brady Skjei (D) #28
2013: No 1st Round Pick
2014: No 1st Round Pick
2015: No 1st Round Pick
2016: No 1st Round Pick
2017: Lias Andersson #7, Falls on his ass on opening night, requests trade 11 times.
Filip Chytil #21, Great pick but career threatened by concussion history
2018: Vitali Kravstov #9, No comment. K’andre Miller #22, Nils Lundkvist #28
2019: Kappo Kakko #2, Lights it up on the world stage, loses all confidence offensively in the NHL. TBD
2020: Alexis Lafrenière #1, Not touching this, TBD
2021: Brennan Othmann #16, TBD
2022: No 1st Round Pick
2023: Gabe Perreault #23 TBD
Absolutely horrendous.
who knows, even if the symptoms weren't bad but were persistent that's enough to keep him from playing hockey. On the other hand you had guys like Savard who couldn't leave a dark room for...months or some crap like that.
PuckLuck3043
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Yes but you were talking about as much as 3 different needs. That can't be addressed without giving up picks and/or prospects. As much as I want this team to succeed this year I do not believe they have the core nor the coach to lead them to the promised land and I don't want to see any top picks or top prospects traded.
Me speculating.... Not a doctor...
But I wonder if the plane trip has any effect. Altitude + inner ear issues + post concussion syndrome + physical exertion could be a recipe for disaster.
But I wonder if the plane trip has any effect. Altitude + inner ear issues + post concussion syndrome + physical exertion could be a recipe for disaster.
nsvoyageurs
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In a word; "Yikes". For the most part, brutal. The 2003 draft haunted this franchise for years. I know drafting 18 year old hockey players isn't exactly a science, but they need to look at how thy evaluate potential draftees; look into what they look for; see how the game has changed. They need to do better due diligence on these kids, including character/work ethic. This doesn't just include the Glen Sather crew, but the Neil Smith crew too. Not hiring your relatives, buddies/relatives of buddies, etc. who had very little if any qualifications for those jobs would have helped too.Might as well get depressed and recap the last 30 years of drafting first round forwards, shall we?
1994: Dan Cloutier (G) #26, with Elias, Drury, Alfredsson, Hejduk & Odin left on the board
1995: No 1st Round Pick
1996: Jeff Brown (D) #22, with Brier selected at #24
1997: Stefan Cherneski #19, Highly touted junior player forced to retire due to a shattered knee injury before playing an NHL game
1998: Manny Malhotra #7, Compared to Adam Graves, bombs with Rangers over 4 seasons, traded and has respectable career. Tanguay selected at #12, Gagne #22
1999: Pavel Brendl #4, completely bombs but is traded for Lindros.
Jamie Lundmark #9. This wasn’t a great draft. . Lundmark bombed and had a pedestrian career, at best.
2000: No 1st Round Pick
2001: Dan Blackburn (G), who retires due to workout injury after two seasons.
2002: No 1st Round Pick
2003: Hugh Jessiman #12, busts out, plays in 2 NHL games 7 years after he is drafted. Dustin Brown selected next at #13. Parise, Getzlaf, Kesler, Richards & Perry amongst other stars subsequently drafted in the same round.
2004: Al Montoya (G) #6,
Lauri Korpikoski #19. Korpy plays one year with Rangers and is traded. Plays over 600 NHL games. Wasn’t a strong draft/1st round. Radulov, Zajac and Drew Stafford went amongst them.
2005: Marc Staal (D) #12, Good pick
2006: Bobby Sanguinetti (D) #21 Claude Giroux goes next to the Flyers at #22. Nick Foligno to Ott at #28.
2007: Alexei Cherepanov #17, Tragically passes away at age 19. Max Pacioretty selected at #22. Backlund #24, Perron, #26
2008: Micheal Del Zotto (D) #20, Eberle #22, Ennis #26, John Carlson #27.
2009: Chris Kreider #19. Excellent pick
2010: Dylan McIlrath (D) #10, Tarasenko drafted #16, Kevin Hayes #24, Kuznetsov #26, Brock Nelson #30.
2011: JT Miller #15, Has strong seasons with Rangers, is traded and blows up to a 90 point player.
2012: Brady Skjei (D) #28
2013: No 1st Round Pick
2014: No 1st Round Pick
2015: No 1st Round Pick
2016: No 1st Round Pick
2017: Lias Andersson #7, Falls on his ass on opening night, requests trade 11 times.
Filip Chytil #21, Great pick but career threatened by concussion history
2018: Vitali Kravstov #9, No comment. K’andre Miller #22, Nils Lundkvist #28
2019: Kappo Kakko #2, Lights it up on the world stage, loses all confidence offensively in the NHL. TBD
2020: Alexis Lafrenière #1, Not touching this, TBD
2021: Brennan Othmann #16, TBD
2022: No 1st Round Pick
2023: Gabe Perreault #23 TBD
You look at the years they traded their 1st round pick; who could they have had had they kept their pick? They were trying to win, but in the long term, was it worth it? Obviously hindsight s 20/20. It stings that with the early picks in the late 1990s-early 2000s, their picks didn't amount to much. Cherepanov passing away was tragic both in terms of real life and what he could've become as an NHL player, and the NYR could do nothing about that. A young life lost way too soon.
Getting back on topic; I hope Filip Chytil does what's best for him and his life going forward. A pro/NHL hockey career is short and he still, hopefully, has a long life to live after hockey, whether it's now or down the road. He most likely doesn't want his season/career to end in this way, but he needs to ask himself is it worth it? Playing hockey shouldn't be his top priority right now. Just get better and live a long and hopefully healthy life.
I wish him he best going forward.
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While nothing is certain, if Cherepanov hadn't died and panned out decently maybe the Rangers win that cup in 2014...
Though who knows how it would have affected how the team was constructed, but if you add in another good top six forward to that team maybe that gets them over the top that year or the next
Anyways...the big reason I'm down about this news is that it's basically the worst possible news we could get about Chytil recovering and coming back short of just hearing that he still had symptoms. It's bad, there's no sugar coating it.
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Picks outside the lottery are the most overrated asset in the league. And I’m fine with trading prospects for non rentals
If there's a good 3C out there under contract and on the younger side that could be had for the right cost I don't mind spending some pics and prospects to get them
rentals on the other hand always kinda suck in terms of cost when you're getting them for a depth position
rentals on the other hand always kinda suck in terms of cost when you're getting them for a depth position
PuckLuck3043
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Not really. I would love to have more 2nd and 3rd round picks. Rangers have plenty of guys in the pipeline who weren't 1st rounders who could make an impact in future years. Cuylle has already shown he belongs plus Edstrom, Berard, Garand, Sykora, BMB, can be important players down the road.
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Man, you really have to start worrying about his career at this point. Out for 3 months and first day with the team and what sounds like a pretty severe setback.
One would think the Rangers have to plan for the deadline as if Chytil is out for the foreseeable future.
One would think the Rangers have to plan for the deadline as if Chytil is out for the foreseeable future.
Rangers have a pretty good record of drafting outside the first round...
Their first round drafting has been absolute garbage though.
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The Rangers have historically done better while drafting in the latter half of the 1st round than in the top 10.
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LOFIN
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Recouping 2nd and 3rd rounders with Lindgren and Kakko sounds pretty Rongos to me
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LOFIN
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Their value is pretty low right now, but they both can be better and have been better for us in the past. And you are not going to get any better replacements for cheaper, and without paying good assets. So what is the plan? If you are trying to recoup assets for two legit NHL players (Lindgren I think a legitimate 2nd pairing guy, Kakko at least a middle-6 guy) at the same time you are supposedly contending, then what the f*** are you doing?
If you want to trade Lindgren+ or Kakko+ for an improvement, that's one thing. Using them to just recoup assets which you may use in the future? Not going to happen at this stage.
GENESISPuck94
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This is awful man.
At this point, I hope he retires from playing hockey, and just gets healthy and stays healthy and lives a healthy life.
At some point, hockey just can't be worth it.
At this point, I hope he retires from playing hockey, and just gets healthy and stays healthy and lives a healthy life.
At some point, hockey just can't be worth it.
GENESISPuck94
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Another thing: the NHL does nothing to prevent these head injuries. They hand out slaps on the wrist. 5 games for a blatant head shot.
They need to suspend a player indefinitely and make an example.
They should suspend the offending player for as long as the injured player is out. If they're out the season, that's how long the offender is out.
Suspension without pay too.
They need to suspend a player indefinitely and make an example.
They should suspend the offending player for as long as the injured player is out. If they're out the season, that's how long the offender is out.
Suspension without pay too.
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Bad news, according to Colin Stephenson;
https://x.com/ColinSNewsday/status/1750969873839067325?s=20
https://x.com/ColinSNewsday/status/1750969873839067325?s=20
He blew BOTH knees out in one play.
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WojtekWolski86
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I know the beat reporters are saying concussion but is it clear that it's another concussion incident or setback and return of concussion symptoms?
irishlaxburger2
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Calling up Jake was a god awful decision
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