Fan confidence of the Leafs: Athletic article

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Propagandaists are the worst. Like Goebbells saying everything is fine as Berlin crumbled.
I guess some of them would, but the propagandists on this board are all about the doom and gloom. Even the poll in this thread - the propagandists don't agree with the result so they discredit the polls.
BTW Goebbels committed suicide taking his wife and six children along with him as Berlin crumbled.
 
I will enjoy watching every game. I want the Leafs to win a Cup- more games for me to watch and more excitement for me.

You on the other hand, just want to complain and moan about the team regardless of how well the team does. - you will always find something to complain about.
Yeah what would I have to complain about with all the success
 
I guess some of them would, but the propagandists on this board are all about the doom and gloom. Even the poll in this thread - the propagandists don't agree with the result so they discredit the polls.
BTW Goebbels committed suicide taking his wife and six children along with him as Berlin crumbled.
You’ve got it backwards. Do you think this thread would have been started if the poll had negative results?
 
Yeah what would I have to complain about with all the success
The coaching, some members of the team, why they don't fire the General Manager. Same things as now.

You’ve got it backwards. Do you think this thread would have been started if the poll had negative results?
Oh, yeah. No doubt. It would be referenced back to often as well. Similar to the easiest GM to deal with one.
 
The coaching, some members of the team, why they don't fire the General Manager. Same things as now.


Oh, yeah. No doubt. It would be referenced back to often as well. Similar to the easiest GM to deal with one.
😂yeah that one is legit at least.
 
I guess some of them would, but the propagandists on this board are all about the doom and gloom. Even the poll in this thread - the propagandists don't agree with the result so they discredit the polls.
BTW Goebbels committed suicide taking his wife and six children along with him as Berlin crumbled.
I'm surprised the pro-Dubas group are putting much stock into the results. The group that love to tell people Nylander leads the league in expected zone entries per 60 since 9:30pm on March 15th, seem to trust a poll that we have zero knowledge of who voted.
 
He was a 0.9-1.1 points per game his entire time with the Islanders and that's exactly what he has been for the Leafs so far. If you expected his production to go up at age 28 and become a constant 90+point player then of course you are going to think he's overrated.

He has produced exactly what I expected. 80-85 points the first couple years,, 75-80 the next couple and 70-75 for the last few.

The problem is that the NHL uses AAV with a flat cap.... His %ofCap has stayed the same into the next stage of his career, exiting his prime. And the %ofCap should be declining mirroring the production decline.
You say he is overpaid rather than overrated.

What do you think is appropriate pay for his value? $9M per season?

Using that figure (or whatever you like), there are two ways of looking at it:

1) he's rated to be worth $9M, but being paid $11M - therefore overpaid
2) he's rated to be worth $11M, but performing at $9M - therefore overrated.

Two slightly different ways of looking at the same discrepancy, and eirher is valid according to the point of view.

Personally, I agree with you. I thought at the time that his value was about $8-9M per, and I think he is overpaid.

However, management paid him $11M, so presumably they rated him at that amount. From that viewpoint, he was overrated.

Either way, I think they are misusing him to try to justify their decision.
 
I'm surprised the pro-Dubas group are putting much stock into the results. The group that love to tell people Nylander leads the league in expected zone entries per 60 since 9:30pm on March 15th, seem to trust a poll that we have zero knowledge of who voted.
I have no idea. I am not really sure who the pro dubas group are.
 
Sorry but I find ok with losing sad
I'm not ok with losing, but this post season in particular, I thought they played hard and deserved to win the series against an extremely tough opponent.

There's work to be done to get over the hump, but I don't think their performance warrants wholesale changes in the off season either.
 
Last year's sentiment: "We would have beat MTL if Tavares didn't get injured".

This year's sentiment: "Tavares is totally overrated".

Unbelievable.

:leafs

I'm not ok with losing, but this post season in particular, I thought they played hard and deserved to win the series against an extremely tough opponent.

There's work to be done to get over the hump, but I don't think their performance warrants wholesale changes in the off season either.
Wholesale changes to the management team or the players?


:leafs
 
The article pretty much sums up why MLSE is sticking with the management team. If the fans (outside of these boards, that is) aren't complaining and still have faith, then why rock the boat?

Of all the stats listed in the polls the Athletic conducted, the 83% of fans that say the team will win a round next year is the most striking. Maybe the 6 straight losses has left many with the feeling of "eventually I'll be right" (and they'll win a round?)

Clearly, they are competitive and they are so close every year (5 straight series have all gone the distance) but that's not the problem. The problem is that the same theme keeps recurring: The later into the series they get (usually when the series tightens up, scoring is down, etc.), the worse they get. Past 4 post-seasons they are a combined 1-7 in the last 2 games of those series. That is not a statistic anomaly or a small sample size, that's a trend.

In any case, I guess you can't get criticize all those fans for being hopeful, as long as it doesn't venture into delusional.
 
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Polling season ticket subscribers would probably offer the most accurate picture, but MLSE would never release those results if they ever conducted such a poll.
Any end of season questionnaire that I’ve done never references the team/management itself just the game day experience, stuff like that.
 
Polling season ticket subscribers would probably offer the most accurate picture, but MLSE would never release those results if they ever conducted such a poll.
It has never happened in over 50 years .. neither my dad or I have ever been asked any polls regarding team performance .. all input over da years has been strictly sponsor related and how MLSE can get more $$$ from sponsors .. well Harold used to sit in Hot Stove and talk to a few ex-players including my dad over dinner but it was largely BS as he had moved from Montgomery to his bunker and needed to pass time
 
MLSE would never ask fans for their opnions because fans aren't that smart in the aggregate. Their opinions on how to run a hockey team would range from stupid to criminal. Reading this forum just confirms it. There's an Athletic article where an unnamed NHL exec reads Reddit trade proposals and he dumped on every single one for being dumb. Every single trade proposal I've read here and on the Trades forum can be summed up as follows: Let's trade a good player for one who is not as good and will never be as good.

We literally have a thread in NHL Talk right now where people are unironically debating on whether or not Sergachev for Drouin is the most lopsided trade of all time. It's not even in the top 500.

I've seen multiple people make the following statements:

- Ondrej Kase was faking his concussion so the Leafs could get LTIR relief
- John Tavares should be traded as a cap dump.
- Max Domi > Mitch Marner
- Positive poll results here are the result of Bell/Rogers astroturfing
- James Mirtle is a secret MLSE plant - never mind that this guy basically made his career by crapping on the Leafs front office during the Burke/Nonis days while outlets like the Sun were posting headlines like Wendel Clarkson.
- Kyle Dubas is the worst GM in the league
 
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Mirtle pumps Athletic readers full of pro Shanaplan propaganda. I'm not surprised that an Athletic poll would produce these kinds of skewed results.

These fans are so down bad that they will overanalyze every metric and what if scenario as copium for 6 straight opening round Ls in the Shanaplan era.

Mirtle and Siegel are a unique hybrid of indie journalism and middle of the road company line when it comes to the Leafs during the Shanaplan era.
 

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