Player Discussion Fabian Zetterlund traded to Ottawa

[Cosmix]

Or Tyler Arnason

Bad memory.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Gaudette struggles to stick handle through the neutral zone under no pressure lol

All Guadette has is his shot.

If he wants a 1 year at a million bucks sure, keep him. If he wants more . . . godspeed good luck.

Zetterlund is a player. Might not be the legit top 6 forward we were hoping for but he should prove to be a solid middle 6er.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

All Guadette has is his shot.

If he wants a 1 year at a million bucks sure, keep him. If he wants more . . . godspeed good luck.

Zetterlund is a player. Might not be the legit top 6 forward we were hoping for but he should prove to be a solid middle 6er.

Agree except for the keep him ... We can easily move on from him and upgrade at the 4c spot. I would move on from him for the playoffs.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Agree except for the keep him ... We can easily move on from him and upgrade at the 4c spot. I would move on from him for the playoffs.

Yea for a more "4th line" type player with grit and 2 way play. Kinda like Cousins.

 

[Micklebot]

Agree except for the keep him ... We can easily move on from him and upgrade at the 4c spot. I would move on from him for the playoffs.

He'd be good for the AHL and was good for the first 20 games or so... We should have sent him back down after that.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Agree except for the keep him ... We can easily move on from him and upgrade at the 4c spot. I would move on from him for the playoffs.

Yeah honestly depends on what the free agent pool and the sens contract situation looks like.

I dont hate having a guy like gaudette as the 13th forward. Hes a nice optoon to have to add a bit of scoring when there are injuries. But I'm old school. I want jam on the fourth line. Especially for the playoffs.

 

[Ice-Tray]

If we’re being honest Gawds early contributions were just as important as Perron and Amadio picking it up later.

I’m not saying sign him again necessarily, but it’s often what have you done for me lately, but the guy has 17 goals and is a big reason why we have a spot locked based on early wins.

I would keep Gawd and replace highmore on the 4th line.

Like many I would like to see cousins, Gawd, and MacEwen if he’s healthy enough for the run. Gawd can score, and mostly on his own, so having that threat on the 4th line is golden if the other two guys can do 4th line things well enough for the line to get more playing time (to give the other lines a break)

 

[Tuna99]

He'd be good for the AHL and was good for the first 20 games or so... We should have sent him back down after that.

Same for Zetterlund.

 

[Micklebot]

Same for Zetterlund.

Lol, glad you aren't in charge of who gets demoted. Terrible evaluation.

 

[NyQuil]

Like many I would like to see cousins, Gawd, and MacEwen if he’s healthy enough for the run. Gawd can score, and mostly on his own, so having that threat on the 4th line is golden if the other two guys can do 4th line things well enough for the line to get more playing time (to give the other lines a break)

I don't think it's a coincidence that Gaudette scored more earlier in the season and his offence dried up as the games became more critical. In the playoffs, which is even more high-tempo and tighter checking, I think his performance will dry up even further.

I"d prefer more of an energy line as the 4th line, with energy, physicality and forechecking.

Gaudette is less useful than Highmore in that respect.

I'd leave him in the press box and bring him in if one of our skill guys goes down in the top 9.

Unfortunately, with Ostapchuk gone, we're short on face-off taking centres.

 

[Tuna99]

Lol, glad you aren't in charge of who gets demoted. Terrible evaluation.

You’re talking about demoting a guy will play a full season for us, has been great and saved our season early when we needed goals. Gaudette has 2 points in his last 16 game on the 4th line no PP time, Zetterlund has 3 points playing with Timmy.

Just discounting Gaudytes play this seasons is stupid, he’s done way more for the team then Zetterlund has. Stick by these guys, why everyone so fast to throw these guys out because they play on the 4th line

 

[NyQuil]

Just discounting Gaudytes play this seasons is stupid, he’s done way more for the team then Zetterlund has. Stick by these guys, why everyone so fast to throw these guys out because they play on the 4th line

Gaudette can win faceoffs (51%) and score goals (not lately), and that's all he can do.

 

[Micklebot]

You’re talking about demoting a guy will play a full season for us, has been great and saved our season early when we needed goals. Gaudette has 2 points in his last 16 game on the 4th line no PP time, Zetterlund has 3 points playing with Timmy.

Just discounting Gaudytes play this seasons is stupid, he’s done way more for the team then Zetterlund has. Stick by these guys, why everyone so fast to throw these guys out because they play on the 4th line

I'm talking about a guy that is deservedly getting the least TOI of any player on the roster for a while now.
I'm talking about a player that the coach refuses to put out there late in the game when the score is tight.
I'm talking about a player that despite being 9th in PP TOI over last 59 games and has zero PP points during that time.
I'm talking about a guy that doesn't kill penalties, isn't good defensively, and provides exactly nothing when he isn't producing.

I'm not discounting his play this season, I'm recognizing that he had a hot start with an unsustainable sh% and was contributing, but isn't anymore and hasn't been for a long time now.

Amazing that you're arguing I'm quick to throw out Gaudette when it's been over half a season that he's been an anchor now, open your eyes and watch the games instead of looking at his stat line and pretending this is just a normal ebb and flow of a season.

Gaudette is not a good player, hasn't been for a while now. The team held out hope that maybe he could bounce back and return to his hot start, and he burned them for showing a bit of faith. time to move on, Zetterlund accomplishes more in any given shift than Gaudette does in an entire game these days.

 

[Micklebot]

If we’re being honest Gawds early contributions were just as important as Perron and Amadio picking it up later.

I’m not saying sign him again necessarily, but it’s often what have you done for me lately, but the guy has 17 goals and is a big reason why we have a spot locked based on early wins.

I would keep Gawd and replace highmore on the 4th line.

Like many I would like to see cousins, Gawd, and MacEwen if he’s healthy enough for the run. Gawd can score, and mostly on his own, so having that threat on the 4th line is golden if the other two guys can do 4th line things well enough for the line to get more playing time (to give the other lines a break)

Sure, his contributions in the past are valued.

But it's not his contributions from 5-6 month ago that matter right now, it's his current contributions, and right now he's an anchor. He doesn't provide energy on the forecheck, he doesn't provide any notable offense outside a fluke goal on a bad goalie, he doesn't kill penalties, he's producing nothing on the PP where the only value he brings is his shot, he's just not playing at the level we need.

Keep him as a 13th forward, fine, but if the goal is to win the next game, we need to put the guys that are actually playing well in the lineup, not the guys that once upon a time were shooting at 25%

 

[Senator Stanley]

Sure, his contributions in the past are valued.

But it's not his contributions from 5-6 month ago that matter right now, it's his current contributions, and right now he's an anchor. He doesn't provide energy on the forecheck, he doesn't provide any notable offense outside a fluke goal on a bad goalie, he doesn't kill penalties, he's producing nothing on the PP where the only value he brings is his shot, he's just not playing at the level we need.

Keep him as a 13th forward, fine, but if the goal is to win the next game, we need to put the guys that are actually playing well in the lineup, not the guys that once upon a time were shooting at 25%

The problem is they don't have an obvious alternative at 4C, assuming it has to be someone Green feels he can trust. Ostapchuk was the obvious alternative, but he's gone. Jenik would be the logical next-man up for that kind of role, but NHL coaches (Green included) tend to stick with the veteran who they know is bad over the young guy who they fear will be bad.

If and when we're healthy, we'll have eleven NHL forwards and one spot left over for a fringe guy. Ideally, I think the best thing to do during the season with that kind of spot is allow guys to cycle in and out. Give Crookshank his run. Jenik. Reinhardt. Highmore. Because when those bubble guys are given an opportunity, they tend to bring everything they've got for as long as they can sustain it. Then they usually fade, because it's hard to play with that "my career is on the line" energy every night, at which point it's time to try someone else.

The problem for Green is that, when everyone is healthy, that one spot they have to play with is 4C, and they don't have (and haven't really tested) any internal alternatives to Gaudette.

 

[NyQuil]

Ideally, I think the best thing to do during the season with that kind of spot is allow guys to cycle in and out. Give Crookshank his run. Jenik. Reinhardt. Highmore. Because when those bubble guys are given an opportunity, they tend to bring everything they've got for as long as they can sustain it. Then they usually fade, because it's hard to play with that "my career is on the line" energy every night, at which point it's time to try someone else.

The problem for Green is that, when everyone is healthy, that one spot they have to play with is 4C, and they don't have (and haven't really tested) any internal alternatives to Gaudette.

We've qualified for the post-season. Are there cap reasons why we can't cycle a few guys in during the remaining games?

If we do end up going anywhere in the post-season, injuries typically stack up anyway. It'd be nice to see some of the depth.

 

[Senator Stanley]

We've qualified for the post-season. Are there cap reasons why we can't cycle a few guys in during the remaining games?

If we do end up going anywhere in the post-season, injuries typically stack up anyway. It'd be nice to see some of the depth.

I don't really understand our cap sitaution, other than I think we're pretty tight? Puckpedia says our current cap space is roughly $300K, while our projected cap space is negative $300K.

So I think we have one roster spot to play with, which is currently occupied by Crookshank.

 

[Micklebot]

We've qualified for the post-season. Are there cap reasons why we can't cycle a few guys in during the remaining games?

If we do end up going anywhere in the post-season, injuries typically stack up anyway. It'd be nice to see some of the depth.

When Cousins gets activated, I believe we'll have to send someone down to stay cap compliant, unless we LTIR tkachuk or Hamonic...

 

[NyQuil]

Greig with Cousins and MacEwan (if he was healthy) would be a fun line to watch.

I know this was suggested before.

I'd hate breaking up Greig-Pinto-Amadio but at the same time, that's two solid centres on one line.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Super weird comparison of Gaudette and Zetterlund here.
One is a for sure 2/3rd line player and the other wouldn’t be in the lineup if we had the rookie 4th center we traded for Zetterlund in the lineup.

I appreciate what Gaudette did earlier this year, and I hope he gets a contract for it somewhere next year - but he is just not what I want from our 4th C

 

[Ice-Tray]

I don't think it's a coincidence that Gaudette scored more earlier in the season and his offence dried up as the games became more critical. In the playoffs, which is even more high-tempo and tighter checking, I think his performance will dry up even further.

I"d prefer more of an energy line as the 4th line, with energy, physicality and forechecking.

Gaudette is less useful than Highmore in that respect.

I'd leave him in the press box and bring him in if one of our skill guys goes down in the top 9.

Unfortunately, with Ostapchuk gone, we're short on face-off taking centres.

I really don’t want Gaudette in the top 9, but I don’t really want to argue for him being in the lineup at all to be honest. I do like what he was able to do on the fourth line, but maybe Jenik would be a better fit for the intensity of playoffs.

 

[SensontheRush]

Super weird comparison of Gaudette and Zetterlund here.
One is a for sure 2/3rd line player and the other wouldn’t be in the lineup if we had the rookie 4th center we traded for Zetterlund in the lineup.

I appreciate what Gaudette did earlier this year, and I hope he gets a contract for it somewhere next year - but he is just not what I want from our 4th C

Gaudette clearly blew Ostapchuk out of the water. Which, makes sense, as Ostapchuk is still breaking in; however, Ostapchuk is at least 2 years away IMO, though he'll be given plenty of ice-time on the rebuilding Sharks.

Gaudette is actually a really good 4th line option IMO, but he's had to carry the husk of Highmore.

I'm pretty confident a Cousins-Gaudette and I guess Zetterlund line is going to look pretty good these playoffs.

 

[Big Muddy]

Moat of the time, a team is not going to get a real ringer on the 4th line, although that would be nice. I’d like a good 4C as well, but I think there will be the limitations on who is available to fill that role plus cap restrictions. It is what it is.

 

[Tuna99]

I'm talking about a guy that is deservedly getting the least TOI of any player on the roster for a while now.
I'm talking about a player that the coach refuses to put out there late in the game when the score is tight.
I'm talking about a player that despite being 9th in PP TOI over last 59 games and has zero PP points during that time.
I'm talking about a guy that doesn't kill penalties, isn't good defensively, and provides exactly nothing when he isn't producing.

I'm not discounting his play this season, I'm recognizing that he had a hot start with an unsustainable sh% and was contributing, but isn't anymore and hasn't been for a long time now.

Amazing that you're arguing I'm quick to throw out Gaudette when it's been over half a season that he's been an anchor now, open your eyes and watch the games instead of looking at his stat line and pretending this is just a normal ebb and flow of a season.

Gaudette is not a good player, hasn't been for a while now. The team held out hope that maybe he could bounce back and return to his hot start, and he burned them for showing a bit of faith. time to move on, Zetterlund accomplishes more in any given shift than Gaudette does in an entire game these days.

I think actually what you’re doing is playing a game called “I know who the worst player on the team is” because that’s easy to identity and what’s hard is seeing how Gaudette has played well all season and has done everything the team has asked him and was huge for us in the first 29 games and we needed him.

It’s the same thing fans do when Hamonic plays, maybe they don’t see the game that well but they know who is the worst player on the team so they just go with that as analysis which it isn’t it’s just lots of stats to prove you know who the worst player in the team is. It’s a lame game

 

[Mr Hat]

I think actually what you’re doing is playing a game called “I know who the worst player on the team is” because that’s easy to identity and what’s hard is seeing how Gaudette has played well all season and has done everything the team has asked him and was huge for us in the first 29 games and we needed him.

It’s the same thing fans do when Hamonic plays, maybe they don’t see the game that well but they know who is the worst player on the team so they just go with that as analysis which it isn’t it’s just lots of stats to prove you know who the worst player in the team is. It’s a lame game

So are you saying that Gaudette and Hamonic are not the worst players on the team with your analysis?

Gaudette has been an anchor for the longest time and has been exposed in plain view.

It’s fair to discuss who is worse between Highmore, Gaudette, and Hamonic but I think everyone agrees these are the top three under performing players on the team by a wide margin. Unless you object and have examples of this besides “I see the game better than the coach and fan consensus”