Prospect Info: Fabian Lysell

[sarge88]

Good call. Very close in age too.

So I guess the next question is are there fans here ready to put down 9+ million AAV on Hertl for 8 years as well as give up Lysell +?

Considering where this team is at, I am not.

Yes.

Hertl in the fold gives them immediate legitimacy and roster flexibility.

He’s a legit #1 for the next 4 years, minimum. That gives them 4 years to come up with a #2, hopefully one that can transition into the #1 slot as Hertl ages and slots down to the #2.

 

[ODAAT]

Yes.

Hertl in the fold gives them immediate legitimacy and roster flexibility.

He’s a legit #1 for the next 4 years, minimum. That gives them 4 years to come up with a #2, hopefully one that can transition into the #1 slot as Hertl ages and slots down to the #2.

having watched Lysell now a number of times live and on TV many more, not doing a deal for Hertl involving Lysell. I totally understand to get talent, you need to give it up but I just see a Bruins cupboard on the right side if and when Jake is moved as being all but bare, this kid, while not a generational talent, plays like a gritty Mitch Marner and is the kind of kid who doesn`t come around a ton.

My priority at the deadline is a top 4 LHD

 

[MattFromFranklin]

having watched Lysell now a number of times live and on TV many more, not doing a deal for Hertl involving Lysell. I totally understand to get talent, you need to give it up but I just see a Bruins cupboard on the right side if and when Jake is moved as being all but bare, this kid, while not a generational talent, plays like a gritty Mitch Marner and is the kind of kid who doesn`t come around a ton.

My priority at the deadline is a top 4 LHD

I'm not for dealing Lysell, either. Sweeney's job is safe as long as he makes the playoffs so it's not like he has to make a big trade. He can sign Hertl in the offseason and keep Lysell.

 

[sarge88]

having watched Lysell now a number of times live and on TV many more, not doing a deal for Hertl involving Lysell. I totally understand to get talent, you need to give it up but I just see a Bruins cupboard on the right side if and when Jake is moved as being all but bare, this kid, while not a generational talent, plays like a gritty Mitch Marner and is the kind of kid who doesn`t come around a ton.

My priority at the deadline is a top 4 LHD

Fair enough.

It’s not like this team has just one need and I can see how a solid defenseman is a priority to a lot of us.

I just think that Hertl fills the most important need up front for the next 5-7 years.

Even though it’s eluded the B’s for a few years, scoring wingers are easier to get or develop than 1c.

 

[neelynugs]

rentals don't fetch 2 premium assets. to get hertl, it would be 1st round pick or top-end prospect (plus the secondary pieces). if bruins don't get hertl, best case scenario is a trade to the wild, who can't afford to sign him longer term.

from purely an entertainment standpoint, i hope they keep lysell. he's fun to watch.

 

[ODAAT]

Fair enough.

It’s not like this team has just one need and I can see how a solid defenseman is a priority to a lot of us.

I just think that Hertl fills the most important need up front for the next 5-7 years.

Even though it’s eluded the B’s for a few years, scoring wingers are easier to get or develop than 1c.

my thought process is this, the team as it stands now has too many holes to fill to be a Cup contender this year, grab that top 4 LHD would go a long way, might lift them a bit deeper into the playoffs than I think they`ll go right now

I think the B`s could beat the Caps in a 7 gamer, that`s it for the East, not sure I`d put money on them beating anyone else in the playoffs as things stand today, yep, even the Leafs. There`s not a chance I`d move that 1st round pick this summer to try to do so, everything I read is this draft is big time deep

 

[sarge88]

my thought process is this, the team as it stands now has too many holes to fill to be a Cup contender this year, grab that top 4 LHD would go a long way, might lift them a bit deeper into the playoffs than I think they`ll go right now

I think the B`s could beat the Caps in a 7 gamer, that`s it for the East, not sure I`d put money on them beating anyone else in the playoffs as things stand today, yep, even the Leafs. There`s not a chance I`d move that 1st round pick this summer to try to do so, everything I read is this draft is big time deep

Entirely logical.

I look at it this way though (although I’m not even 100% committed to this path) but I’m not sure that say the 2025 - 2029 versions of the team with Lysell and whoever they draft in June will be as good as this version with Hertl.

This is a very good team….not perfect, but top 15-20% in the league.

May and June are a long way off. Guys get hurt, teams struggle, teams emerge and nothing is guaranteed.

I’m just always of the mindset that if you can look at a team and see a path to improve to the point where you can honestly say you can contend, you do it.

Otherwise, I truly think the only other option is to be a seller….and for me that means even Marchand and Bergeron.

As much as I hate the possibility that Lysell is a bust and 5 years from now we’d maybe lament not moving him for Hertl or Chuchrun, I also hate the possibility of 5 years from now lamenting not moving those two great players for the quality returns they would garner.

 

[Beesfan]

Paying Hertl over $8.5m per year on an 8 year deal and giving up Lysell + is not worth doing.

I'd rather do DeBrusk for Couture ($1.25m retained).

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Yes.

Hertl in the fold gives them immediate legitimacy and roster flexibility.

He’s a legit #1 for the next 4 years, minimum. That gives them 4 years to come up with a #2, hopefully one that can transition into the #1 slot as Hertl ages and slots down to the #2.

Why not wait until FA to sign him for nothing more than the contract?

Even if they get him I just don't see them matching up well with Florida and especially TB.

 

[The National]

Why not wait until FA to sign him for nothing more than the contract?

Even if they get him I just don't see them matching up well with Florida and especially TB.

I don’t think he’s gonna reach FA.

 

[Mathews28]

I don’t think he’s gonna reach FA.

i feel you’re right here. I think he stays put.

 

[dangermike]

i feel you’re right here. I think he stays put.

i want him up asap with brad while 63 is still elite.

 

[BruinsBtn]

rentals don't fetch 2 premium assets. to get hertl, it would be 1st round pick or top-end prospect (plus the secondary pieces). if bruins don't get hertl, best case scenario is a trade to the wild, who can't afford to sign him longer term.

from purely an entertainment standpoint, i hope they keep lysell. he's fun to watch.

Don't forget that Hertl has a 3-team no-trade clause. It could be a Taylor Hall-like situation.

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

How Bruins prospect Fabian Lysell's skating separates him from the rest

The first time Barclay Parneta saw Pavel Bure play for the Vancouver Canucks on television, he was a scout for the Tri-City Americans in the WHL and all he remembers thinking was “wow” as he watched Bure skate.

After the Americans, Parneta went on to scout for the St. Louis Blues and Phoenix Coyotes before taking a job in Vancouver to become the general manager of the WHL’s Giants. In the two and a half decades between that first job in Tri-City and taking that last one in Vancouver, Parneta never saw another player who could skate like Bure.

Then two came along. The first was Connor McDavid. The second was Fabian Lysell, a teenaged kid from Sweden. When he first saw Lysell fly around the ice, he set his sights on getting him to his team.

Now he has him and when he watches him skate, he still gets that same feeling.

“It’s just so pretty and fun to watch him. No matter who you are, you’re going to recognize ‘wow, this guy is incredibly fast,'” Parneta said on a recent phone call. “If he’s not the best skater I’ve ever seen, he’s certainly one of them.”

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

How Bruins prospect Fabian Lysell's skating separates him from the rest

The first time Barclay Parneta saw Pavel Bure play for the Vancouver Canucks on television, he was a scout for the Tri-City Americans in the WHL and all he remembers thinking was “wow” as he watched Bure skate.

After the Americans, Parneta went on to scout for the St. Louis Blues and Phoenix Coyotes before taking a job in Vancouver to become the general manager of the WHL’s Giants. In the two and a half decades between that first job in Tri-City and taking that last one in Vancouver, Parneta never saw another player who could skate like Bure.

Then two came along. The first was Connor McDavid. The second was Fabian Lysell, a teenaged kid from Sweden. When he first saw Lysell fly around the ice, he set his sights on getting him to his team.

Now he has him and when he watches him skate, he still gets that same feeling.

“It’s just so pretty and fun to watch him. No matter who you are, you’re going to recognize ‘wow, this guy is incredibly fast,'” Parneta said on a recent phone call. “If he’s not the best skater I’ve ever seen, he’s certainly one of them.”

is that good?

 

[Groo]

Don't forget that Hertl has a 3-team no-trade clause. It could be a Taylor Hall-like situation.

Hall had all of almost 40 games with buffalo so it's not much of a surprise he'd put the Sabres between a rock and a hard place.
Hertl has 540 games played. All with SJ and there's no sign that he's openly disgruntled. While I see Hertls departure coming soon( if he truly wants to play for a contending team) I can't see him being a dick about it. Not real the same situation at all

 

[goldnblack]

I'd say he's on the RW of Bergy next year depending on a few little things.

 

[Dr Hook]

is that good?

It would be if he didn't have such a bad attitude

 

[Dr Hook]

A couple of other snippets from that article that I thought were good, especially the first part. You wonder if Senyshyn had gotten this from his jr team how things might be different:

How Bruins prospect Fabian Lysell's skating separates him from the rest

In Vancouver, the staff hasn’t tried to teach him anything about his skating, knowing he’s got that mastered. Instead, they’ve focussed on other areas of his game, areas McCambridge says he has seen real progress in.

“It has been a learning curve but he’s a real great young man,” McCambridge said. “What we’re trying to do is when and if that day comes where he gets his opportunity for his first pro game with the Boston Bruins, is making sure the correct habits are in place for Bruce (Cassidy) and for Don (Sweeney) when he plays that game.

Langenbrunner: “The guys that are with him day-to-day are the guys that are going to be doing video more with him, and doing skill work more, and when we get him to Boston that’s when we’ll do more hands-on stuff. The biggest part of our role, whether it’s me or Adam McQuaid, with Fabian is that adjustment period. You’re talking about a whole new culture. You’re nine time zones away. You’re basically in a different world. Add on the pressure of playing hockey in a tough league and there’s a lot going on for these kids, not to mention girlfriends and family and all of that stuff. I think he’s becoming more and more mature and more and more confident in himself as an individual and I think long term it’s going to be very good for him.”

Lysell’s happy he landed with the Bruins after they showed the most interest leading up to the draft (including meeting with him the day before they picked him while he was in Plymouth for the World Junior Summer Showcase), and thankful for the guidance he has received from people like Langenbrunner."

 

[PlayMakers]

Unfair comment of the day: Why isn't he scoring more?

I love the skillset and the highlights, loved him in camp, loved the hockey sense... but 1st line forwards usually put up 100+ points in 60 games in their draft +1 year in juniors. Lysell is leading his team in scoring but he's only on pace for around 80 points.

Is the W just a lower scoring league? Is it the lack of a supporting cast?

Fwiw, Barzal (who Lysell reminded me of a bit in pre-season) also led his team in scoring with 88 points in the WHL in his draft +1 year. So, there's that.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Unfair comment of the day: Why isn't he scoring more?

I love the skillset and the highlights, loved him in camp, loved the hockey sense... but 1st line forwards usually put up 100+ points in 60 games in their draft +1 year in juniors. Lysell is leading his team in scoring but he's only on pace for around 80 points.

Is the W just a lower scoring league? Is it the lack of a supporting cast?

Fwiw, Barzal (who Lysell reminded me of a bit in pre-season) also led his team in scoring with 88 points in the WHL in his draft +1 year. So, there's that.

this is definitely something i've been curious about as well, but what helps mitigate any concerns I might have is that every clip I see of him he is just so obviously electric that it's hard to imagine it not translating.

I think the biggest concern I have about him is just whether he can withstand the physical game. Playing in the WHL which is known for being the most physical of the CHL leagues was a really smart move by the Bruins brass b/c that should help him develop that awareness. But with his size and style, the difference between being Pastrnak & being Ondrej Kase is just one or 2 bad hits, so he's really going to have to play with his head up for life.

 

[Dr Hook]

Unfair comment of the day: Why isn't he scoring more?

I love the skillset and the highlights, loved him in camp, loved the hockey sense... but 1st line forwards usually put up 100+ points in 60 games in their draft +1 year in juniors. Lysell is leading his team in scoring but he's only on pace for around 80 points.

Is the W just a lower scoring league? Is it the lack of a supporting cast?

Fwiw, Barzal (who Lysell reminded me of a bit in pre-season) also led his team in scoring with 88 points in the WHL in his draft +1 year. So, there's that.

He did have a slower start to adjust to North America on and off the ice, so there is that, and then he's also had a couple of illnesses and the international break where he didn't get to play, so that was a good stretch where he was out and gets taken out of his rhythm and game sharpness.

 

[BruinsBtn]

Hall had all of almost 40 games with buffalo so it's not much of a surprise he'd put the Sabres between a rock and a hard place.
Hertl has 540 games played. All with SJ and there's no sign that he's openly disgruntled. While I see Hertls departure coming soon( if he truly wants to play for a contending team) I can't see him being a dick about it. Not real the same situation at all

I don't think that's being a dick at all. The players, management and agents all treat hockey like a business. It's in Hertl's interest to get traded to a team with the money to sign him long term. And it's Hertl's stated intention to play for a winning team.

There aren't many (any?) other teams who can offer that to him.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

this is definitely something i've been curious about as well, but what helps mitigate any concerns I might have is that every clip I see of him he is just so obviously electric that it's hard to imagine it not translating.

I think the biggest concern I have about him is just whether he can withstand the physical game. Playing in the WHL which is known for being the most physical of the CHL leagues was a really smart move by the Bruins brass b/c that should help him develop that awareness. But with his size and style, the difference between being Pastrnak & being Ondrej Kase is just one or 2 bad hits, so he's really going to have to play with his head up for life.

Kase skates like he is looking for his contacts.

 

[The National]

Kase skates like he is looking for his contacts.

LOL