Faber

[bland]

It's a factor tho no? Not a justification. LA needed a guy like Fiala. He provides offense and creativity. He is another weapon that teams have to be aware of opening up more opportunities for other lines.
You can argue he isn't the right type of offensive player due to his gaffs and that he is a puck carrier/distributor. The team wanted to take the next step and gamebreaker was a need. Were there others available.....I'm not sure.

Faber was always a solid RHD but I don't recall anyone claiming he was going to be a Calder/Norris candidate prior to that trade. His numbers and playing time would not be the same. Doesn't mean he wouldn't be valuable but I doubt he would have the national spotlight on him. I'm just saying I get the reasoning behind it but I get that you don't like the choice Blake made here.

The arguments I'm seeing also seem to be tied into philosophical views on the rebuild. It seems many feel Danault, RV, and Fiala, shouldn't have happen in exchange for playing the drafted youth. Faber wanted to stay in college, Byfield had a rough start and needed to be placed with Kopi to break out. Turcotte has been a mess. Thomas needed shoulder transplants, etc.

Blake did bank on Kopi and Doughty and tried the last two seasons to be competitive. Is what it is. I get some would rather have done a burn it all down rebuild and maybe that would have been better.

LA most certainly did NOT need a guy like Fiala. They may have needed offense, but they didn't the kind that came with that baggage, they didn't need it at that cost, and they absolutely didn't need it for 7 years.

There is a reason why Fiala was the one deemed replaceable by Minnesota. They could have looked elsewhere to cut costs but wisely chose to dump the guy who may look like a million bucks, but couldn't play with their best players and needed to be flanked by rookies who would defer to his style.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I do think it's kind of cosmically funny that every trade Blake is making is ending in basically worst case scenario for the Kings and best case for the other teams

Like if you didn't need more evidence that our actual drafting is kind of nails and our deployment, development, and evaluation is absolute ass, just look around.

No wonder so many kids have been begging out of this f***ing shit show, they keep getting dicked around here and their incomes/careers glass-ceiling'ed.

Welcome to the new dark ages.

LA most certainly did NOT need a guy like Fiala. They may have needed offense, but they didn't the kind that came with that baggage, they didn't need it at that cost, and they absolutely didn't need it for 7 years.

There is a reason why Fiala was the one deemed replaceable by Minnesota. They could have looked elsewhere to cut costs but wisely chose to dump the guy who may look like a million bucks, but couldn't play with their best players and needed to be flanked by rookies who would defer to his style.

Fiala is a casual observer's idea of 'excellent player', like Andreas Athanasiou.

Prime example of why OFFENSE AT ALL COSTS really isn't it. See also Erik Karlsson putting up 100 points on a lottery team

And I like Fiala. I think his improv and random skills bring a unique element to a team. But it also comes with also unpredictable for your linemates and throwing absolute grenades into the system. To his credit it's not an effort issue. But there's a reason you don't put him against the toughest comp and why his 'best play' came on a third line next to Freddy Gaudreau, he's a one-man line and sure he CAN play offense with other players, see pretty plays with Moore and Danault, he gives up so much vs. opponents that can capitalize that it's pain.

 

[johnjm22]

I always say you have evaluate a GM on process, not results. That's why I've defended the Turcotte draft pick for example.

But sometimes a result is so bad it can't be ignored.

We'll likely be tormented by the Faber trade for the next decade and a half.

The trade value was correct at the time (1st + prospect for established scoring winger), but the criticism was always that the Kings should have been in rebuilding mode not win now mode.

 

[BigKing]

Do we get to give Blake and the scouting staff credit for drafting Faber or is it null and void since he was traded?

@BigKing had it right:

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They most certainly get credit for moving up in the draft to take Faber.

As for my comment you quoted, I'm not wrong that it is rebuild 101. You hope you are moving on from Jack Johnson because it allows you to add Carter and you have Voynov ready to go.

You just hope you are trading the weakest of your players that is in that position of strength. Right now, Faber would be the 1st OA pick if you included him in a draft of current Kings RHD players and prospects.

 

[Sol]

I do think it's kind of cosmically funny that every trade Blake is making is ending in basically worst case scenario for the Kings and best case for the other teams

Like if you didn't need more evidence that our actual drafting is kind of nails and our deployment, development, and evaluation is absolute ass, just look around.

No wonder so many kids have been begging out of this f***ing shit show, they keep getting dicked around here and their incomes/careers glass-ceiling'ed.

Welcome to the new dark ages.



Fiala is a casual observer's idea of 'excellent player', like Andreas Athanasiou.

Prime example of why OFFENSE AT ALL COSTS really isn't it. See also Erik Karlsson putting up 100 points on a lottery team

And I like Fiala. I think his improv and random skills bring a unique element to a team. But it also comes with also unpredictable for your linemates and throwing absolute grenades into the system. To his credit it's not an effort issue. But there's a reason you don't put him against the toughest comp and why his 'best play' came on a third line next to Freddy Gaudreau, he's a one-man line and sure he CAN play offense with other players, see pretty plays with Moore and Danault, he gives up so much vs. opponents that can capitalize that it's pain.

My oh my, the Fiala slander doesn't stop. Karlsson has a bad rap because he's a dman playing everything except defense..

Didn't we have this issue recently where people were expecting Kaliyev to be a grinder where his skillset is just being a pure sniper. Athanasiou was a cherry picking god that did not do anything except that. Fiala can be unpredictable and that is good/bad. But hes undoubtedly a great asset to this team because it gives the Kings dynamism that they've never had. And you know what? I like offense at all costs because no one on this team does that which is why this organization has usually struggled to score.


Again, if a WINGER creating turnovers in the offensive zone is the reasons why the Kings are getting scored on then the problem is most definitely not the winger. Kings defense and goaltending sucks. Fiala deserves all the support he can get because he is undoubtedly the most creative and talented player on this team.

 

[LAKings88]

I do think it's kind of cosmically funny that every trade Blake is making is ending in basically worst case scenario for the Kings and best case for the other teams

Like if you didn't need more evidence that our actual drafting is kind of nails and our deployment, development, and evaluation is absolute ass, just look around.

No wonder so many kids have been begging out of this f***ing shit show, they keep getting dicked around here and their incomes/careers glass-ceiling'ed.

Welcome to the new dark ages.



Fiala is a casual observer's idea of 'excellent player', like Andreas Athanasiou.

Prime example of why OFFENSE AT ALL COSTS really isn't it. See also Erik Karlsson putting up 100 points on a lottery team

And I like Fiala. I think his improv and random skills bring a unique element to a team. But it also comes with also unpredictable for your linemates and throwing absolute grenades into the system. To his credit it's not an effort issue. But there's a reason you don't put him against the toughest comp and why his 'best play' came on a third line next to Freddy Gaudreau, he's a one-man line and sure he CAN play offense with other players, see pretty plays with Moore and Danault, he gives up so much vs. opponents that can capitalize that it's pain.

Nice dig in there RJ casual observing for over 30 years I guess. ;-)

 

[BigKing]

My oh my, the Fiala slander doesn't stop. Karlsson has a bad rap because he's a dman playing everything except defense..

Didn't we have this issue recently where people were expecting Kaliyev to be a grinder where his skillset is just being a pure sniper. Athanasiou was a cherry picking god that did not do anything except that. Fiala can be unpredictable and that is good/bad. But hes undoubtedly a great asset to this team because it gives the Kings dynamism that they've never had. And you know what? I like offense at all costs because no one on this team does that which is why this organization has usually struggled to score.


Again, if a WINGER creating turnovers in the offensive zone is the reasons why the Kings are getting scored on then the problem is most definitely not the winger. Kings defense and goaltending sucks. Fiala deserves all the support he can get because he is undoubtedly the most creative and talented player on this team.

At the end of the day, Fiala is a player you add to an already strong team that doesn't need him to be the guy to outscore his own mistakes. Turnovers entering the zone or via a low-percentage play in the offensive zone are a huge mistake and always have been. Everyone is moving forward and then the puck is going towards your net and you've already lost the race before it started.

Getting him before having everything else in place is a lower percentage play since he is not the centerpiece of a contender. If you don't have the players already in place and wind up ultimately never having them, then it doesn't matter. Trading for PLD crushes Fiala's potential contribution to a winner since there is now an eight year, eight million dollar meatball blocking the Kings from adding the actual pieces that are needed to be a legit contender.

Fiala is fun to watch though.

 

[Sol]

At the end of the day, Fiala is a player you add to an already strong team that doesn't need him to be the guy to outscore his own mistakes. Turnovers entering the zone or via a low-percentage play in the offensive zone are a huge mistake and always have been. Everyone is moving forward and then the puck is going towards your net and you've already lost the race before it started.

Getting him before having everything else in place is a lower percentage play since he is not the centerpiece of a contender. If you don't have the players already in place and wind up ultimately never having them, then it doesn't matter. Trading for PLD crushes Fiala's potential contribution to a winner since there is now an eight year, eight million dollar meatball blocking the Kings from adding the actual pieces that are needed to be a legit contender.

Fiala is fun to watch though.

look if a winger creating turnovers in the offensive zone get you scored on then you have bigger problems than Fiala. Players like him are the ones that should be taking chances and if the team can’t help counteract some of the ramifications that come from that then there are bigger problems than him. PLD was a bad trade the day it happened, they gave up Vilardi, I think you thought low of Vilardi too iirc, they needed better goaltending and they got PLD instead. Fiala trade value wise was a good trade, you can argue if it was the right move at the time though. I don’t understand why people who hate the timing of the trade reduce it him being bad value. You rarely get wingers of that caliber.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

My oh my, the Fiala slander doesn't stop. Karlsson has a bad rap because he's a dman playing everything except defense..

Didn't we have this issue recently where people were expecting Kaliyev to be a grinder where his skillset is just being a pure sniper. Athanasiou was a cherry picking god that did not do anything except that. Fiala can be unpredictable and that is good/bad. But hes undoubtedly a great asset to this team because it gives the Kings dynamism that they've never had. And you know what? I like offense at all costs because no one on this team does that which is why this organization has usually struggled to score.


Again, if a WINGER creating turnovers in the offensive zone is the reasons why the Kings are getting scored on then the problem is most definitely not the winger. Kings defense and goaltending sucks. Fiala deserves all the support he can get because he is undoubtedly the most creative and talented player on this team.

You roasted Durzi for an entire season for a turnover he made behind his own net in Game 1 vs. VGK.

Fiala has one of those every few games in the dzone and let's not forget his at-the-blueline turnovers.

You're minimizing. I'm all for a guy going all out attack and I'm not slandering him on effort, im critiquing his brain capacity for processing important game moments.

Nice dig in there RJ casual observing for over 30 years I guess. ;-)

All I'm saying is some people are easily wow'ed by 'exciting plays' that dont' have substance

IE dangling a guy at the blueline then softly turning it over for a breakaway then blaming someone else for it because Fiala is a good offensive player and gosh darn we need one of those

He's a "sportscenter player" who anyone who doesn't watch the Kings will go wow I wish our team had a player like that then promptly watch him lob a soft backhand grenade into his own slot

 

[Herby]

look if a winger creating turnovers in the offensive zone get you scored on then you have bigger problems than Fiala. Players like him are the ones that should be taking chances and if the team can’t help counteract some of the ramifications that come from that then there are bigger problems than him. PLD was a bad trade the day it happened, they gave up Vilardi, I think you thought low of Vilardi too iirc, they needed better goaltending and they got PLD instead. Fiala trade value wise was a good trade, you can argue if it was the right move at the time though. I don’t understand why people who hate the timing of the trade reduce it him being bad value. You rarely get wingers of that caliber.

Because they gave up a player who has been a top 10-15 defenseman in the NHL as a rookie and is making 925k this year and next.

Right now if Minnesota were offered by Winnipeg ,Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari and a 2nd for Faber they would laugh and hang up the phone.

 

[Nasti]

I just want to add the obligatory “Faber wasn’t going to sign with the Kings” comment. Carry on.

 

[Herby]

I just want to add the obligatory “Faber wasn’t going to sign with the Kings” comment. Carry on.

Don't forget

"Marc Bergevin is pulling all the strings behind the scenes"

 

[chris kontos]

Remember kids- the goal isnt to win the stanley cup its to achieve mediocrity and keep our jobs long term.
When the're done, we'll be lucky to be mediocre.

 

[BigKing]

look if a winger creating turnovers in the offensive zone get you scored on then you have bigger problems than Fiala. Players like him are the ones that should be taking chances and if the team can’t help counteract some of the ramifications that come from that then there are bigger problems than him. PLD was a bad trade the day it happened, they gave up Vilardi, I think you thought low of Vilardi too iirc, they needed better goaltending and they got PLD instead. Fiala trade value wise was a good trade, you can argue if it was the right move at the time though. I don’t understand why people who hate the timing of the trade reduce it him being bad value. You rarely get wingers of that caliber.

How do most odd-man rushes against happen?

As for Vilardi, I've always been super high on his skill. The only thing I'm down on him about is his availability and he's already missed 20 games (again) this year. When discussing the PLD trade, one of PLDs attributes is availability and you should be able to put him down for 60 points. I simply theorized that Blake was afraid to give the oft-injured Vilardi another contract because he was scared to do so, leading to the move for a guy that is usually available and plays a more important position.

None of us liked the baggage that goes with PLD at the time of the trade but, shit, it was supposed to be 60+ points and frustration v. the worst forward on the team and frustration.

 

[LAKings88]

LA most certainly did NOT need a guy like Fiala. They may have needed offense, but they didn't the kind that came with that baggage, they didn't need it at that cost, and they absolutely didn't need it for 7 years.

There is a reason why Fiala was the one deemed replaceable by Minnesota. They could have looked elsewhere to cut costs but wisely chose to dump the guy who may look like a million bucks, but couldn't play with their best players and needed to be flanked by rookies who would defer to his style.

How many years were we all talking about a scoring LW? Fiala has had issues with coaches. He makes stupid drop passes but he also does a lot of incredible plays.

He does seem like a hard fit which may be his biggest issue in LA. He and Kopi were never gonna mesh. I'll concede that to you for sure.

I wouldn't say he is lazy or doesn't try. I do believe he has worked on some of the deficiencies and I have seen him do it in game. A hard backcheck etc. During this stretch of teamwide shit play, I think he has tried to take too much on and gotten out of system. He gets a lot of penalties out of maybe too much passion honestly.

He is a warty player but I still think the pros out way the cons there. One of the very few players that can generate offense out of nothing on this team. He has more Palffy in him than Gaborik.

 

[jgs]

He is playing really "well". Please use correct grammar when attempting to insult us.

Not trying to insult you. I am a Kings fan but Faber is playing great and is panning out compared to the prospects we have that still are 50/50 if they pan out.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Not trying to insult you. I am a Kings fan but Faber is playing great and is panning out compared to the prospects we have that still are 50/50 if they pan out.

Doughty
Roy
Clarke
Spence
Where does he play?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Doughty
Roy
Clarke
Spence
Where does he play?

Trade Doughty or Roy, stay young, excellent and cheap. You could even have Durzi as a 7th dman or flip him for a higher pick or an actual need.

Please don't do the 'well what was he supposed to do' because these were all easily forseen issues that we have been talking about and giving proposed solutions to for literally YEARS

 

[Sol]

You roasted Durzi for an entire season for a turnover he made behind his own net in Game 1 vs. VGK.

Fiala has one of those every few games in the dzone and let's not forget his at-the-blueline turnovers.

You're minimizing. I'm all for a guy going all out attack and I'm not slandering him on effort, im critiquing his brain capacity for processing important game moments.



All I'm saying is some people are easily wow'ed by 'exciting plays' that dont' have substance

IE dangling a guy at the blueline then softly turning it over for a breakaway then blaming someone else for it because Fiala is a good offensive player and gosh darn we need one of those

He's a "sportscenter player" who anyone who doesn't watch the Kings will go wow I wish our team had a player like that then promptly watch him lob a soft backhand grenade into his own slot

What are these comparisons? I dont remember what you are talking about Durzi but I will take your word for that you're not misremembering it. All I am saying is that with players like Fiala that are extremely hard to come by that it's almost as if you want him to fail just because they traded for Faber. It's almost hilarious that I think you're one of those guys that was upset that they were trying mold Kaliyev into another grinder. When have the Kings had a player with Fiala's caliber? Be real in your critiques. You take the bad with all the good he has to offer, and shit if he's as bad as you think he is then the Kings should put him winger/center because theres not one player on this team that can hold a candle to his skillsets. Expecting every player to be a defensively responsible brain dead winger is exactly how the Kings got into these issues. Funny you have a problem with that.

 

[kingsholygrail]

You roasted Durzi for an entire season for a turnover he made behind his own net in Game 1 vs. VGK.

Fiala has one of those every few games in the dzone and let's not forget his at-the-blueline turnovers.

You're minimizing. I'm all for a guy going all out attack and I'm not slandering him on effort, im critiquing his brain capacity for processing important game moments.



All I'm saying is some people are easily wow'ed by 'exciting plays' that dont' have substance

IE dangling a guy at the blueline then softly turning it over for a breakaway then blaming someone else for it because Fiala is a good offensive player and gosh darn we need one of those

He's a "sportscenter player" who anyone who doesn't watch the Kings will go wow I wish our team had a player like that then promptly watch him lob a soft backhand grenade into his own slot

I like that people defend Durzi like he was a forward which is just a shot at his complete inability to play defense. Randy Jones 2.0.

 

[kilowatt]

I like that people defend Durzi like he was a forward which is just a shot at his complete inability to play defense. Randy Jones 2.0.

He's not a great defender, so it didn't help that Todd was playing him on the penalty kill and late in the third to protect a lead. Square peg, round hole. Durzi's got as many power play minutes this year through half a season as he did all of last year, while pacing for fewer than half the minutes he played on the penalty kill.

 

[kingsholygrail]

He's not a great defender, so it didn't help that Todd was playing him on the penalty kill and late in the third to protect a lead. Square peg, round hole. Durzi's got as many power play minutes this year through half a season this year as he did all of last year, while pacing for fewer than half the minutes he played on the penalty kill.

Obviously not a good fit for the Kings.

 

[Coffee]

I consider myself to be part of the 'anyone' group and I've never once had an issue with the Fiala trade, but whatever you say.

No not “whatever you say”, if you have a point to make , make it.

Never give in like that , Axl

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Doughty
Roy
Clarke
Spence
Where does he play?

i think the point is Faber is a star #1D

so you'd most likely ask, where would Spence play?

Also, M Roy is a UFA that could fetch a return and is aging; a good GM would probably trade Roy and free some capspace rather than trading away your best prospects

but yeah, if you're thinking in terms of "Blake mentality", indeed... where would Faber play??? Probably in Nashville via waivers

 

[Herby]

Doughty
Roy
Clarke
Spence
Where does he play?

He’s better than all of them. The fact that we are debating about whether a Top 15-20 d-man this season, making $925k would be in the lineup for a team clinging to a wildcard spot, tells you just how messed up the Kings developmental philosophy under Blake really is.