FA/Trade Thread 14-15 Season V.23 | post trade deadline

[nuck]

I'm sorry if its been discussed already but would it be possible to trade Dion to the Bruins for Savard's contract and Subban, something along the lines of that??

Savard's contract is insured isnt it? Permanent ir so no effect on the Bs cap. Then its just DP for Subban. Ii dont like Subban that much and the Bruins need outbound cap space to swing a deal so it would he one of their expensive vets coming the other way. Chia has already said they want to make a deal, but not involving their 1st or one of their top prospects.

 

[BertCorbeau]

TSN has him on their refreshed trade bait board at #5, Dion #4. They must know something. http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-trade-bait-1.203546

Been looking for an updated trade board, thanks.

It makes sense - lots of scoring wingers have been dealt already .. This is what I was hoping for heading into tomorrow, it would be the ideal circumstance to get a good return on Lupul.

Similar with Phaneuf, will be interesting to see what happens with those other d-men on that list ... Salary retention is the key but I can understand why the Leafs want to be hesitant on it since it's a lot of years to retain salary.

TSN also could just be stirring up something to get people to watch though

 

[The Winter Soldier]

They know most of their viewers are Leaf fans

Or all the players that were on their trade board have been traded. That's what exactly happened.

 

[budzz]

Hmm apparently Oilers are sniffing around leaf Goalies? Don't send the Reimer he'll take their tank to a new level lol.

 

[mydnyte]

Stoner/Souray + roster player + 1st + top prospect (Theodore/Ritchie) and I think the Leafs would retain salary

Too long a term to have dead cap space.
Ducks are not the only player for Dion, and all the Leafs need to do, is have 2 teams in the same conf bidding on him.

How would you justify when a team that traded for Dion knocks you out because you insisted the Leafs retain salary and the other team didnt.

Every playoff game is tons of $$ for owners

 

[shaner8989]

Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050 now9 seconds ago
Concussion for Holzer.

Lol there goes a pick

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Been looking for an updated trade board, thanks.

It makes sense - lots of scoring wingers have been dealt already .. This is what I was hoping for heading into tomorrow, it would be the ideal circumstance to get a good return on Lupul.

Similar with Phaneuf, will be interesting to see what happens with those other d-men on that list ... Salary retention is the key but I can understand why the Leafs want to be hesitant on it since it's a lot of years to retain salary.

TSN also could just be stirring up something to get people to watch though

The Dion smoke is hard to ignore. Bet Dreger has this one pegged. Detroit are circling the wagons, and Leafs have a deal on the table. Just waiting for the Wings to sweeten the pot. That's my guess. If it happens you heard it from me.

Will Nonis pull the trigger or will the Wings sweeten the pot even more?

 

[Hero]

I wouldn't be surprised to here 80% of their potential fan base are Leaf fans.

Of course they'll put Leafs there .

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Secure enough...he does what his boss tells him, and right now, it isnt win

Ya, Nonis is securely neutered, not sure about secure though.

 

[Hero]

Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050 now9 seconds ago
Concussion for Holzer.

Easy to say now, but they really should of benched him.

 

[Oskar The Groucho]

Easy to say now, but they really should of benched him.

Yup terrible asset management... Jokinen for Futures ... TSN is running this Dion rumor for tomorrow and nothing more and less... Dont buy in people they need at least 100 people to watch tomorrow lol

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

You're totally disregarding the fact that the Ducks are not paying a market premium by signing Dion through unrestricted free agency. There is a clear difference between trying to add a player by paying a premium vs. trading assets for a premium. If the Leafs want to maximize assets, they will have to settle for retaining a marginal degree of salary.

Presently to make a deal work, salary is going to have to be retained in order to create a market. If not they ride him out to the off-season. Pretty simple concept..

Phaneuf makes 7, however he is more of a 5-6 million dollar defensman. Franson may make 5.5 next season, but in reality I wouldn't pay more than 3.5

Inflation and income increases affect player value each season

Finally someone gets it. Nobody cares that he received market price. Teams want to add him at fair value which is anywhere from 5-6 (6.5 if we stretch it) million. You go in trying not to retain and then when the other GM undoubtedly asks you to retain, you try to get something extra for retaining.

 

[mydnyte]

Easy to say now, but they really should of benched him.

We can still get a conditional pick ...wasnt expecting better than. 5-7th anyways on him

 

[Drew311]

Lol there goes a pick

Judging by the Leafs history that pick would have turned out to be the next Jamie Benn.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I would do a Dion for Xavier Ouellet plus a 1st rd pick + another possible prospect.

We would have to take back salary of a player. Weiss is a tough swallow. This could be a stumbling block.

 

[Teeder9]

Judging by the Leafs history that pick would have turned out to be the next Jamie Benn.

Judging by the Leafs history, we would have traded Holzer and a 4th for that 5th

 

[mydnyte]

Finally someone gets it. Nobody cares that he received market price. Teams want to add him at fair value which is anywhere from 5-6 (6.5 if we stretch it) million. You go in trying not to retain and then when the other GM undoubtedly asks you to retain, you try to get something extra for retaining.

That isnt fair value, and not how economics work.

Nobody is available that is half as good, and nobody half as good that is available makes that little
Who are teams going to trade for, Petry at 3million to be on the bottom pair, and fail at that too?

 

[ULF_55]

Yandle got a decent deal

Duclair is a good prospect, but I wouldn't consider him an amazing prospect. 1st/2nd round picks are late and John Moore has top 4 potential in the long-run.


It's a good trade for both teams as ARZ get future's and the Rangers become more of a playoff threat. I think it's important to know that while New York paid a price for Yandle if they did decide to move him come next year TDL, they could get a return on investment and recoup futures.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl-2014-15-complete-trade-list-1.210847

Looks like the consensus so far is the Coyotes won this trade more than 2 to 1.

 

[mydnyte]

I would do a Dion for Xavier Ouellet plus a 1st rd pick + another possible prospect.

We would have to take back salary of a player. Weiss is a tough swallow. This could be a stumbling block.

Wings have enough cap space to take on the full contract, without any $$ coming back

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Wings have enough cap space to take on the full contract, without any $$ coming back

Not according to my chart. They are -257K in space right now. Pushing 76M in actual cap with the Cole deal.

Now that I look at their cap chart, a Dion deal will take a lot of unloading that goes beyond Weiss. Not an easy deal to execute with the Cole deal.

 

[skacore]

Easy to say now, but they really should of benched him.

Yup terrible asset management... Jokinen for Futures ... TSN is running this Dion rumor for tomorrow and nothing more and less... Dont buy in people they need at least 100 people to watch tomorrow lol

How can they just bench him? If they had a confirmed trade then they would have. But just based on speculations? It's not like he was/is 100% gone. Should we also bench Phaneuf/Lupul/Kessel/Bozak/Bernier/Polak? There is much greater risk there in one of those guys getting injured.

 

[The Thin White Duke]

How can they just bench him? If they had a confirmed trade then they would have. But just based on speculations? It's not like he was/is 100% gone. Should we also bench Phaneuf/Lupul/Kessel/Bozak/Bernier/Polak? There is much greater risk there in one of those guys getting injured.

Exactly we couldn't afford to lose Holzer in this important game! He's crucial for our playoff push.

 

[skacore]

Exactly we couldn't afford to lose Holzer in this important game! He's crucial for our playoff push.

It's not that he's needed but what exactly are you supposed to do? Bench the entire team? If you have a trade lined up, fine, but clearly we didn't.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

If Detroit goes after Phaneuf. The likely players that will be traded to make room for him are Weiss and Dekeyser. 4.9 + 2.18 > 7M

 

[p.l.f.]

I guess all the GMs want a good night sleep