FA/Trade Thread 14-15 Season V.23 | post trade deadline

[mydnyte]

I'm talking about actual value based on the salaries of other players, not the value of a free agent fringe #4 defensemen on a scare market

That's what I think

Think about it, you want to retain 1.5, and it will cost a minimum of 5.5 to get a player who isnt half the dman phaneuf is.

Either we retain nothing, or keep him. ...otherwise it would be a bad hockey move unless the return is too spectacular to turn it down

 

[budzz]

Think about it, you want to retain 1.5, and it will cost a minimum of 5.5 to get a player who isnt half the dman phaneuf is.

Either we retain nothing, or keep him. ...otherwise it would be a bad hockey move unless the return is too spectacular to turn it down

This.

 

[Oskar The Groucho]

Guys TSN And Sportsnet are just garnering you up to watch there Trade Deadline.. Nothing to see here .. Jokinen maybe... Other then that. Nonis is done

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

So who's played their last game as a Leaf?

Who's traded and gone come tomorrows deadline?

 

[Willy Styles]

Hopefully, one of either Kessel or Phaneuf. As that would cement the tank, and initiate a rebuild.

 

[TheCLAM]

Think about it, you want to retain 1.5, and it will cost a minimum of 5.5 to get a player who isnt half the dman phaneuf is.

Either we retain nothing, or keep him. ...otherwise it would be a bad hockey move unless the return is too spectacular to turn it down

You're totally disregarding the fact that the Ducks are not paying a market premium by signing Dion through unrestricted free agency. There is a clear difference between trying to add a player by paying a premium vs. trading assets for a premium. If the Leafs want to maximize assets, they will have to settle for retaining a marginal degree of salary.

Presently to make a deal work, salary is going to have to be retained in order to create a market. If not they ride him out to the off-season. Pretty simple concept..

Phaneuf makes 7, however he is more of a 5-6 million dollar defensman. Franson may make 5.5 next season, but in reality I wouldn't pay more than 3.5

Inflation and income increases affect player value each season

 

[Willy Styles]

Also, Lupul has to go and I would also trade bernier, as trading bernier would be a huge stepdown in goaltending and would essentially make us worse for the next 2-3 years.

 

[showtime8]

The Leafs need to dump a part of the core on this team asap.

 

[pspot]

Jokinen for sure
Really hoping for Bozak. That will kill any spirit kessel has left. Secure the tank and set up an off season deal

 

[Vexed]

You're totally disregarding the fact that the Ducks are not paying a market premium by signing Dion through unrestricted free agency. There is a clear difference between trying to add a player by paying a premium vs. trading assets for a premium. If the Leafs want to maximize assets, they will have to settle for retaining a marginal degree of salary.

Presently to make a deal work, salary is going to have to be retained in order to create a market. If not they ride him out to the off-season. Pretty simple concept

The problem with retention on Phaneuf is the term. 7yrs is a long time. I'm not worried as much about the money as I am the limit on contracts that can be retained like this.

If I could be somewhat confident that waiting until the summer would, mean not retaining then I would do so and retain now on someone like Lupul

 

[TMLFAN4LIFE]

Also, Lupul has to go and I would also trade bernier, as trading bernier would be a huge stepdown in goaltending and would essentially make us worse for the next 2-3 years.

Is trading Bernier really a huge step down? Granted the team just sucks in general this year but Bernier is nothing special in my opinion.

 

[torontoteamfan]

why trade lupul? let him put up points on a scrub leaf team next year ( hopefully no injury haha) and deal high him at the deadline

 

[Vexed]

Also, Lupul has to go and I would also trade bernier, as trading bernier would be a huge stepdown in goaltending and would essentially make us worse for the next 2-3 years.

If the goal was to be bad for 3 more years, why trade anyone not UFA?

We'll be drafting and developing but with Nylander, Reilly and this years pick plus Naz and Connor Brown as well as the top 3 lottery starting next year I don't think we'll need to be bottom feeders for too much longer.

Not saying we should be fast tracking but we aren't starting with nothing

 

[showtime8]

I think the Leafs managment have to have a quick trigger finger to get the most out of a couple players tomorrow.

They still have 19 games left and if that's the effort that they're going to get, you start to create a terrible mood in the dressing room for young players that get called up and new players that join the organization.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

If I am a scout, Lupul would be a huge reach. He does not look good right now.

 

[mydnyte]

You're totally disregarding the fact that the Ducks are not paying a market premium by signing Dion through unrestricted free agency. There is a clear difference between trying to add a player by paying a premium vs. trading assets for a premium. If the Leafs want to maximize assets, they will have to settle for retaining a marginal degree of salary.

Presently to make a deal work, salary is going to have to be retained in order to create a market. If not they ride him out to the off-season. Pretty simple concept..

Phaneuf makes 7, however he is more of a 5-6 million dollar defensman. Franson may make 5.5 next season, but in reality I wouldn't pay more than 3.5

Inflation and income increases affect player value each season

ThE Leafs are not in the league to make other teams better, and to do it to suit the other teams needs and at their price.
If the Ducks want Dion, they need to make a deal that the Leafs are willing to accept, not the other way around. If the Ducks get eliminated from the playoffs their GM's job will be on the line, not Nonis.
...Ducks cant fit him in anyways, unless they give us Fleishman, and Souray, and then add a major pick/prospect to actually give us a reason to make the deal.

The wings, sharks, and panthers can all fit him in without effort, they would be my deadline targets, else, off season deal for Dion.

 

[WillNyeTheHockeyGuy]

If I am a scout, Lupul would be a huge reach. He does not look good right now.

It'd be a coup if we got a 2nd for him with no salary retention.

 

[JMcLeaf]

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Concussion for Holzer.

 

[BertCorbeau]

If I am a scout, Lupul would be a huge reach. He does not look good right now.

He admittedly said a couple weeks ago he's only around 70% .. Wouldn't be a smart pick up for another team, but the trade deadline makes smart GM's go a little whacky so maybe the Leafs will get lucky and he'll be dealt.

Leafs are lucky he isn't injured right now and is healthy enough to play/be traded.

Hope he's moved tomorrow to kickstart the rebuild and start the purge of core players

 

[mydnyte]

If I am a scout, Lupul would be a huge reach. He does not look good right now.

Morale is shot... I am sure all scouts see that

 

[The Winter Soldier]

He admittedly said a couple weeks ago he's only around 70% .. Wouldn't be a smart pick up for another team, but the trade deadline makes smart GM's go a little whacky so maybe the Leafs will get lucky and he'll be dealt.

Leafs are lucky he isn't injured right now and is healthy enough to play/be traded.

Hope he's moved tomorrow to kickstart the rebuild and start the purge of core players

TSN has him on their refreshed trade bait board at #5, Dion #4. They must know something. http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-trade-bait-1.203546

 

[TheCLAM]

ThE Leafs are not in the league to make other teams better, and to do it to suit the other teams needs and at their price.
If the Ducks want Dion, they need to make a deal that the Leafs are willing to accept, not the other way around. If the Ducks get eliminated from the playoffs their GM's job will be on the line, not Nonis.
...Ducks cant fit him in anyways, unless they give us Fleishman, and Souray, and then add a major pick/prospect to actually give us a reason to make the deal.

The wings, sharks, and panthers can all fit him in without effort, they would be my deadline targets, else, off season deal for Dion.

Stoner/Souray + roster player + 1st + top prospect (Theodore/Ritchie) and I think the Leafs would retain salary

I'm being pretty realistic here, chances are we're going to a) take a bad contract or b) retain salary or c) a combination of both. You don't move a 7 million dollar player without an inflow of salary coming badk

 

[HoweHullOrr]

ThE Leafs are not in the league to make other teams better, and to do it to suit the other teams needs and at their price.
If the Ducks want Dion, they need to make a deal that the Leafs are willing to accept, not the other way around. If the Ducks get eliminated from the playoffs their GM's job will be on the line, not Nonis.
...Ducks cant fit him in anyways, unless they give us Fleishman, and Souray, and then add a major pick/prospect to actually give us a reason to make the deal.

The wings, sharks, and panthers can all fit him in without effort, they would be my deadline targets, else, off season deal for Dion.

You think Nonis' job is secure?

 

[TheCLAM]

TSN has him on their refreshed trade bait board at #5, Dion #4. They must know something. http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-trade-bait-1.203546

They know most of their viewers are Leaf fans

 

[mydnyte]

You think Nonis' job is secure?

Secure enough...he does what his boss tells him, and right now, it isnt win