GDT: FA Frenzy time ladies and gents (for everyone else that is)

[FlyingSquirrels]

I’m not digging letting Trocheck walk…but 7 years with an NMC? Yikes.

Not sold on KK as 2C, and if Staal starts going downhill, there is gonna be a problem.

I see this take alot and I don't blame anyone for making the point about KK "not being ready for this role". I'm not sure how we will ever find out if he is ready without giving him a shot. I think he will be ready and seize the opportunity.

I for one thought Trocheck was not great the 2nd half of the season and I thought he wasn't the right fit for a PP1. I think KK will be an upgrade over Trocheck. Hot take? Maybe but I have faith in the kid.

 

[Chrispy]

I’m not digging letting Trocheck walk…but 7 years with an NMC? Yikes.

Not sold on KK as 2C, and if Staal starts going downhill, there is gonna be a problem.

The clause doesn't shock me; I recall him wanting a long-term deal before he bought a house here.

I'm sure the trade from Florida came as a shock and he doesn't want to deal with that again. I wouldn't grant it on a 7 year deal, but I see why Trocheck wanted it and probably took less $$ to get it.

Comes back to the AAV wasn't the issue, but if Trocheck repeatedly wanted 7-8 years, Carolina probably saw that modeling out as an issue in a few years. Sooner if he keeps getting injured.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I’m not digging letting Trocheck walk…but 7 years with an NMC? Yikes.

Not sold on KK as 2C, and if Staal starts going downhill, there is gonna be a problem.

That's a bit misleading. His contract is structured to make him more movable as time goes on.

Year 1-3: Full NMC, actual salary $6-$6.5M
Year 4: 12 team NTC, actual salary $6M
Year 5: 10 team NTC, actual salary $6M
Year 6-7: 6 team NTC, actual salary $4M-$4.5M

The last 2 years, most of his salary is in the signing bonus ($3M) so let's say after 5 years the Ranger's want to move him. They pay his signing bonus in year 6 before trading him and the team that acquires him is only on the hook for $5.5M over two years.

That's not going to be to big of a problem IMO.

 

[MinJaBen]

Actually I thought about the Vegas trade and future considerations and Canes maybe wanting to keep hold of its draft pick for the time being, because you need to have your own specific picks for offer sheet purposes... but, as our 2023 3rd went yesterday in the Burns trade, we are out of the OS business for the tiers that would need our 3rd, 1st-3rd, 1st-2nd-3rd, 1st-1st-2nd-3rd picks for compensation.

We could still do an offer sheet within the salary tiers of:

$1,386,490 or below (no compensation)
Over $2,100,742 to $4,201,488 (2nd)
Over $10,503,720 (four 1sts)

The third only "conditionally" went in the Burns trade. Maybe the condition is that we reserve the right to use it for an OS, and if we do, you get (insert other pick here)?

 

[Chrispy]

Burns is a spam shooter so no they didn’t learn. Dougie sees the play better, but Burns does have a bomb. That was my first thought with this, that didn’t necessarily solve the pp issue here. They went right back to the Hamilton pp which I think is actually fine. We pass too much already anyways. Patches is the one that changes things up maybe.


So Waddell was the only gm in the league that knew they could be gotten for free? The spin has begun.

Maybe we were the only team that would take the full contracts without making them take something back?

This goes back to Waddell's comment after the draft about teams needing to open up cap and Carolina taking advantage of that.

Yes, Carolina was one of only a few teams who could take the full contracts without sending $$ back. And yes, that gave them a chance to pick up Pacioretty for what appears to be nothing but cap space.

But it's also a point in Waddell's favor that he was able to close the deal before the losers in the Gaudreau sweepstakes called Vegas to offer something better.

 

[Svechhammer]

The third only "conditionally" went in the Burns trade. Maybe the condition is that we reserve the right to use it for an OS, and if we do, you get (insert other pick here)?

We have 2 3rd round picks next year. Our own and Philly's (from TDA trade). The condition is that San Jose gets the lower of the 2.

 

[Chrispy]

The third only "conditionally" went in the Burns trade. Maybe the condition is that we reserve the right to use it for an OS, and if we do, you get (insert other pick here)?

The condition is that San Jose gets the lower of Carolina's 3rd round pick or Philadelphia's 3rd round pick.

I'll let @Lempo speculate whether that ties up the pick for offer sheet purposes. I think it would depend on the wording.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Someone should rename this thread.

 

[MinJaBen]

I wonder if the Necas contract drags out a bit longer that Don doesn't look to make one more big splash and get J.T. Miller. His cap hit would almost fit without having to move Gardiner as well.

How about:

Canes: Necas, 2023 1st (top 5 protected), Bear, Suzuki
Canucks: J.T. Miller ($1M retained).

Miller would fit really well in our top six and we could even make a good run at resigning him with Jordan's salary and Max's salary coming off the books next year. If we wanted to.

Someone should rename this thread.

I'm calling it Frank.

 

[Svechhammer]

Someone should rename this thread.

Yeah, but like, lets consider doing that in the future.

 

[Chrispy]

Someone should rename this thread.

For the next 3 pages before it probably gets locked for size?

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Like the squad but would tweak your lineup. I don't think Patches is a good match with Staal/Fast dump in approach. I don't know what the right lineups are but I'm sure that RBA will juggle extensively until he finds the best combo.

btw: would anyone sign Nino at the expense of Necas (trade for draft assets) and keep the 3rd line intact?

Yeah I'm sure it'll be different than that and as we know with Rod, lines will get shifted all the time.

 

[bleedgreen]

Only you could look at someone being excited over yesterday and respond with "the spin has begun"

dude, can we just lay off how much more brilliant than everyone else we are? We had space and we’re willing to do what others weren’t. We didn’t make them pay or force retention, we just took the contract and there very well could be pick compensation coming.

 

[MinJaBen]

dude, can we just lay off how much more brilliant than everyone else we are? We had space and we’re willing to do what others weren’t. We didn’t make them pay or force retention, we just took the contract and there very well could be pick compensation coming.

I think we did make them pay. The RHD we got is a small add in, so it's not much, but it was completely unnecessary for them to add from a cap stand point as he can be sent to the AHL and buried. My guess is that we were offered a pick of a couple of guys that fit that mold as the compensation to take Patches and we chose him as we saw some potential to use him.

 

[CupInSIX]

This goes back to Waddell's comment after the draft about teams needing to open up cap and Carolina taking advantage of that.

Yes, Carolina was one of only a few teams who could take the full contracts without sending $$ back. And yes, that gave them a chance to pick up Pacioretty for what appears to be nothing but cap space.

But it's also a point in Waddell's favor that he was able to close the deal before the losers in the Gaudreau sweepstakes called Vegas to offer something better.

It's very likely NYI and NJ were on Patches' NT list otherwise he probably would have fetched a 2nd or something. Anything.

 

[Svechhammer]

dude, can we just lay off how much more brilliant than everyone else we are? We had space and we’re willing to do what others weren’t. We didn’t make them pay or force retention, we just took the contract and there very well could be pick compensation coming.

....but we literally did make them pay by adding in Coghlan....

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I think it's important not to overlook the fact that players actually want to come here. Players are waiving NMCs to come here because they think they can win. That was definitely a factor in the Burns trade and possibly a factor in the Patches trade. That's a pretty big deal.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

dude, can we just lay off how much more brilliant than everyone else we are? We had space and we’re willing to do what others weren’t. We didn’t make them pay or force retention, we just took the contract and there very well could be pick compensation coming.

The brilliance isn't the trade it's that we had the space to be able to pull it off. We have done such a tremendous job managing the cap, yes there have been casualties, but we were the only team in a position right now to take advantage of Vegas' situation and get a top goal scorer on a reasonable contract for free. Along with another asset at that...

Patches utilized his limited NTC to take the other likely suitors out of the running (i.e. teams with cap space), Vegas wasn't going to trade him to a rival and the other teams that may have wanted him don't have the cap space. So there we were ready to swoop in and improve our team significantly at no cost and without hurting our cap structure at all going forward either.

 

[Sigurd]

On a slightly different note, I wanted to say that it's interesting how many Habs fans are posting in the Carolina-Vegas trade topic for MaxPac and Coghlan, and saying things like they can't believe nobody else could make the trade with Vegas and throw in at least a 3rd round pick, etc.

Considering how many of them truly hate the Canes, I can't help but think it's also, "why did it have to be the Canes of all teams to get this steal of a trade? Anybody but them!!"

C'est la vie mon amie.

 

[CupInSIX]

On a slightly different note, I wanted to say that it's interesting how many Habs fans are posting in the Carolina-Vegas trade topic for MaxPac and Coghlan, and saying things like they can't believe nobody else could make the trade with Vegas and throw in at least a 3rd round pick, etc.

Considering how many of them truly hate the Canes, I can't help but think it's also, "why did it have to be the Canes of all teams to get this steal of a trade? Anybody but them!!"

C'est la vie mon amie.

Just give me one preseason game with Pacioretty-Kotkaniemi-Suzuki as a line, Rod. That's all I ask.

 

[Svechhammer]

On a slightly different note, I wanted to say that it's interesting how many Habs fans are posting in the Carolina-Vegas trade topic for MaxPac and Coghlan, and saying things like they can't believe nobody else could make the trade with Vegas and throw in at least a 3rd round pick, etc.

Considering how many of them truly hate the Canes, I can't help but think it's also, "why did it have to be the Canes of all teams to get this steal of a trade? Anybody but them!!"

C'est la vie mon amie.

Oh they are absolutely obsessed with us. Its funny to watch, to be honest. They literally can't let a Canes piece of news pass by without flooding the comments on social media or forums such as HFB.

Just give me one preseason game with Pacioretty-Kotkaniemi-Suzuki as a line, Rod. That's all I ask.

New 2022-23 desire.... Patches, Aho, and Kotkaniemi to absolutely go ham on the Habs in our matchups with them this year. The best part is that there's a very realistic possibility of that happening.

 

[Lempo]

The third only "conditionally" went in the Burns trade. Maybe the condition is that we reserve the right to use it for an OS, and if we do, you get (insert other pick here)?

We have 2 3rd round picks next year. Our own and Philly's (from TDA trade). The condition is that San Jose gets the lower of the 2.

The condition is that San Jose gets the lower of Carolina's 3rd round pick or Philadelphia's 3rd round pick.

I'll let @Lempo speculate whether that ties up the pick for offer sheet purposes. I think it would depend on the wording.

For the pick to be eligible to be used as OS compensation, it needs to be a) the team's own pick and b) unencumbered, meaning there can't be no previous conditions attached to that pick.

I don't think the creative idea of @MinJaBen would be allowed by the NHL Central Registry.

 

[MinJaBen]

For the pick to be eligible to be used as OS compensation, it needs to be a) the team's own pick and b) unencumbered, meaning there can't be no previous conditions attached to that pick.

I don't think the creative idea of @MinJaBen would be allowed by the NHL Central Registry.

I mean, a condition of "the lower of the two thirds we have, or the remaining if one were moved previously" doesn't sound like something Central Registry should be up in arms against.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I wonder if the Necas contract drags out a bit longer that Don doesn't look to make one more big splash and get J.T. Miller. His cap hit would almost fit without having to move Gardiner as well.

How about:

Canes: Necas, 2023 1st (top 5 protected), Bear, Suzuki
Canucks: J.T. Miller ($1M retained).

Miller would fit really well in our top six and we could even make a good run at resigning him with Jordan's salary and Max's salary coming off the books next year. If we wanted to.


I'm calling it Frank.

get a rental for nothing: okay
trading a young, controllable roster player for a rental: I dont see us doing that.

 

[FreshSeabass]

Not to mention that the third round pick we got from the TDA trade has these conditions on it: CAR will receive the lowest of PHI/FLA/NYR 3rd round pick in 2023 draft