F Nate Danielson - Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL (2023, 9th, DET)

The lightning dynasty has 5 better players than Detroit's current best.


Good luck building a dynasty with inferior talent.

Moritz Seider is 22 years old. All they need to do is start building around him. They're window is wide open. Stevie is a boss in the trade department I remind you.

Back to the Nate Danielson thread now.

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For whatever reason the quote button isn't working so @GordieHowYaDoin , @Frank Drebin isn't wrong currently. But Detroit is also being built nothing like Tampa was.

Again, this is turning into an attempt at a Vegas/STL style build. There's not going to be a Top 5 elite offensive player in there, in all likelihood. The lottery made sure of that and Yzerman had to adjust on the fly.

Funny thing is, in a redraft, Seider is a lottery level talent, so they at least made due with that.
 
I don't understand the "bad pick at 9 because other higher ranked guy was available" way of thinking. It's really not always black and white like that.

If Detroit has done their due diligence, you would think that two players like Danielson and Benson were probably scouted pretty fairly between one another with both being in the WHL and playing in the same province. Not to mention the two players belonged on teams that were at completely opposite ends of the standings.

Detroit lacked a really good C prospect that had size, skill and speed, and felt that the upside between the two players was probably somewhat similar. They went with Danielson, and as people are finding out more about him and watching him, are seeing he's actually a very very good all-around player who's upside appears to be worth the gamble at where he was taken. The jury is out, but Wings fans are very happy with what he's showing.

Not to mention WHL pundits on this board like @landy92mack29 and others have been firmly on board with Danielson and singing about how overlooked he's been, particularly to those who haven't watched and default to the "pedestrian" stat totals and late birthday.

Detroit will need a while to let these guys get legitimate developmental time. Thus far, even Toronto struggles to get by when it matters even with 4 superstar forwards and a solid team overall (this is not a jab, merely just an example). The Wings are doing the best with what they've been given and the early returns are good, as is the culture in Detroit currently. The recipe will hopefully work out. Dynasty? I dunno, that's a big word that's thrown around a lot.


tl;dr - Danielson is realgud.
 
I don't understand the "bad pick at 9 because other higher ranked guy was available" way of thinking. It's really not always black and white like that.

If Detroit has done their due diligence, you would think that two players like Danielson and Benson were probably scouted pretty fairly between one another with both being in the WHL and playing in the same province. Not to mention the two players belonged on teams that were at completely opposite ends of the standings.

Detroit lacked a really good C prospect that had size, skill and speed, and felt that the upside between the two players was probably somewhat similar. They went with Danielson, and as people are finding out more about him and watching him, are seeing he's actually a very very good all-around player who's upside appears to be worth the gamble at where he was taken. The jury is out, but Wings fans are very happy with what he's showing.

Not to mention WHL pundits on this board like @landy92mack29 and others have been firmly on board with Danielson and singing about how overlooked he's been, particularly to those who haven't watched and default to the "pedestrian" stat totals and late birthday.

Detroit will need a while to let these guys get legitimate developmental time. Thus far, even Toronto struggles to get by when it matters even with 4 superstar forwards and a solid team overall (this is not a jab, merely just an example). The Wings are doing the best with what they've been given and the early returns are good, as is the culture in Detroit currently. The recipe will hopefully work out. Dynasty? I dunno, that's a big word that's thrown around a lot.


tl;dr - Danielson is realgud.
I ain't reading allat, the internet told me Benson is better and that's the hill I'm dying on.

/s
 
I don't understand the "bad pick at 9 because other higher ranked guy was available" way of thinking. It's really not always black and white like that.
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tl;dr - Danielson is realgud.

Not to nitpick, but I think the criticism of the pick is somewhat different. It's not a "higher ranked guy was available", it's that some people would have liked to see someone with more obvious offensive upside picked there. So, for example, when Benson is being suggested as a better pick, people are in fact saying that Benson's offensive upside appears to be appreciably higher. You may or may not agree with this claim either, but you seem to be arguing against a wrong claim, that's all.

My point of view - I would have liked a different pick better here, but I have been wrong before. It doesn't look like a Zac Senyshyn kind of pick, and that's good enough for me.
 
no, no it wouldn't. He's way better off back in the WHL than he would be in the AHL and that agreement is a blessing in disguise for chlers. The AHL isn't really a development league, it's a adjustment league. Going back to play with your peers and focusing on actually improving your skillset in the CHL vs just trying to stay in the lineup in the AHL. Other than the covid years the AHL has a long list of teenagers who struggled and never amounted to much vs the very few who it actually benefitted. The only draw back of the agreement is some teams stupidly keep players up to just play them under 10 minutes a game and scratch them vs simply sending them back. But that's on the teams being dumb
There are some issues with going back for a player like Danielson, because he checks so many boxes most 18 year olds don’t. What Detroit has to think about is, what’s the best situation for him as an individual player? Not the overall argument of CHL vs NHL/AHL thing.

While I agree 100%, the AHL is not a “development league”, and “adjustment league” is a fitting term for playing in the AHL as a young player, what are the main reasons a top draft choice is sent back to the CHL?

Experience is relative to what a player can handle. Especially physically and mentally. It’s mostly to become a more physically matured player, to learn how to be a better 200’ player, and to keep learning how to “think” the game better, and process things faster. All while still working on your overall skillset of course.

Those first 3 things he’s already where most 20 year old players are………. At least compared to other 18 year old 2023 draft choices….. The other one, every player qualifies for, but that can be done just as, or more effectively at the pro level.

So for him it comes down to, what’s he going to get out of the CHL if he returns?? What are the goals for him? These have to be laid out very specific for him to “get something” out of going back, other than confidence and more experience. Confidence is different for different players. Some can turn it on whenever they want, and others almost have to dominate at every single level, before they move up from that level. At least in a hockey sense.. his compete level is already there.

On the experience end of things, it’s really simple for him. Can he handle playing regularly in the NHL? We may not find that out until he actually does. That’s why there’s the 9 game thing.

I’m not sure fans understand, just how much it was Danielson vs the WHL last year in Brandon. If you can still play with the confidence he plays with, after that season, it’s a good bet you fall under the “turning it on like a light switch” category.

That said, I do think they’ll consider keeping him, but only for the 9 games. Give him some of that “what it’s like to be a pro” while they play the game with Brandon, to get him moved to a team where he will get to play with more skilled players... To a team who plays a more up-tempo pace overall. Let him do the World Junior thing, and send him back to the WHL, hopefully for a long run this season, and a shot at the Memorial Cup in Michigan next spring. Who knows, maybe Brandon has already let Detroit know, if he returns, they will pursue a couple of high end players. We see this all the time in the CHL. Red Deer would be a great fit for him IMO. Stacked on the backend, and very balanced, with a couple of real high paced forwards including Kalan Lind. If Red Deer makes a move for Danielson, it could be lights out for the rest of the WHL East. Kelowna might be a great fit too… But I do think Detroit would be very comfortable with him staying in Brandon if they pursued a couple of high end players themselves. They really do owe it to Danielson and Bjarnason.

Detroit meanwhile, has several (roving) skill development guys on staff to work on individual, ongoing skills. So he’d get the individual work he needs. They can stretch those 9 games out, if they wanted to go that route. If by game 15, it’s apparent he’s better off staying in the NHL, then so be it….. He is a Centerman though, so that’s important to mention, because if he stays in the NHL, he’s much more likely to play wing this year. That will come into the decision, and absolutely should. He played a lot of wing tonight btw. Not sure if we should read into that.

It really is much more of an individual, specific decision for a player like Danielson, compared to a Benson for example.

BTW, he was in on another goal for Detroit tonight. The Hanas goal. He had 7-8 shifts where he really stood out again, and never in a bad way. Kasper still has those bad shifts, were just not seeing from Danielson. This isn’t people saying all of this because he scored a goal. He looks like he’s legit, and if the game isn’t too big for him, you have to consider it. Philly had every intention of only keeping Couturier for a few games too, and he’s never looked back.

The last thing you wanna do, developing a player, is to clip his wings and hold him back.

The good thing is, Detroit has this predicament. He looks like he’s going to be a really good NHL player. Still think they send him back. Just not sure if that’s tomorrow, November, or after World Juniors.
 
Love how natural he looks at this level. Veteran-like play out there for a just-turned 19 year old.

Ultimately, he may be best served to dominate junior. Maybe I personally haven't recalled a scenario where a guy looked good enough to stick but went back to junior and it be a bad thing.

However, he very well could be the type of player that actually hangs well in the NHL for the full season.

I'm on the fence of what's best to do - maybe both are good options for him? He seems to just get the game. Damn he looks like a hell of a pick at #9. Sneaky high ceiling with the way he looks so far.
 
I am not a DET fan (even though as a guy who started watching the NHL in the 2000s I miss having them in the playoffs) so no intention to overrate him or anything, but he reminds me a lot of Bergeron at the same age. With him, Kasper, Seider Ervidsson as a backbone they ll be hard to play against for a long time if those picks pan out. Only real mistake in those last drafts was Cossa instead of Wallstedt in my opinion but VGK has shown that a strong backbone means you don t need a top tier goalie to win a SC :)
 
Not to nitpick, but I think the criticism of the pick is somewhat different. It's not a "higher ranked guy was available", it's that some people would have liked to see someone with more obvious offensive upside picked there. So, for example, when Benson is being suggested as a better pick, people are in fact saying that Benson's offensive upside appears to be appreciably higher. You may or may not agree with this claim either, but you seem to be arguing against a wrong claim, that's all.

My point of view - I would have liked a different pick better here, but I have been wrong before. It doesn't look like a Zac Senyshyn kind of pick, and that's good enough for me.
Reputation is a strange thing. Nothing about his play in camp/preseason really indicates a lack of offensive upside. Early days, but it does bring to memory how "limited offense" stuck around as a talking point for Seider until his Calder year despite nothing about his post-draft performance ever indicated that it was true.
 
Reputation is a strange thing. Nothing about his play in camp/preseason really indicates a lack of offensive upside. Early days, but it does bring to memory how "limited offense" stuck around as a talking point for Seider until his Calder year despite nothing about his post-draft performance ever indicated that it was true.

Ehh, I honestly think pretty much everybody not named Scott Wheeler came around on Seider by the time he hit the league.

Pretty sure Button had him ranked #1 on his prospect list after his year in the SHL.
 
Ehh, I honestly think pretty much everybody not named Scott Wheeler came around on Seider by the time he hit the league.

Pretty sure Button had him ranked #1 on his prospect list after his year in the SHL.
I don't really agree, there were still plenty of people questioning the offensive part of his game (and still are tbh). Point is people are too quick to settle on labels for players and too slow to move away from them even when they clearly aren't accurate.
 
I am not a DET fan (even though as a guy who started watching the NHL in the 2000s I miss having them in the playoffs) so no intention to overrate him or anything, but he reminds me a lot of Bergeron at the same age. With him, Kasper, Seider Ervidsson as a backbone they ll be hard to play against for a long time if those picks pan out. Only real mistake in those last drafts was Cossa instead of Wallstedt in my opinion but VGK has shown that a strong backbone means you don t need a top tier goalie to win a SC :)
How on earth does he remind you of Berggren???
 
He’s looked great. Super composed and never panics. You can tell that he’s just playing his game wether it’s nhl competition or against junior guys. If he stays i have no doubt he could handle himself fine in the NHL. With the new roster in detroit he wouldn’t get the minutes that would be most beneficial to him. He has a great defensive game and that’s not something he needs to work on.
I’d rather him go to brandon and go nuclear working on his offense and get 110+ points
 
He’s looked great. Super composed and never panics. You can tell that he’s just playing his game wether it’s nhl competition or against junior guys. If he stays i have no doubt he could handle himself fine in the NHL. With the new roster in detroit he wouldn’t get the minutes that would be most beneficial to him. He has a great defensive game and that’s not something he needs to work on.
I’d rather him go to brandon and go nuclear working on his offense and get 110+ points

Same. As much as I love what he’s doing in Detroit let’s give him one more year in juniors before bringing him up. All our kids will be on pretty close timelines then.

Edvinsson starts this year.
Danielson 1 more year in the W before he goes to the NHL.
Kasper 1-2 years in the AHL before he goes to the NHL. (Kinda wish he stayed in Rogle for this season now, tbh.)
Wallinder 1 year in the AHL but he looks damn close.
ASP 2 more years in Sweden than 1-2 more in the A if needed.
Soderblom first call up this year.
Johansson first call up this year.
 
Same. As much as I love what he’s doing in Detroit let’s give him one more year in juniors before bringing him up. All our kids will be on pretty close timelines then.

Edvinsson starts this year.
Danielson 1 more year in the W before he goes to the NHL.
Kasper 1-2 years in the AHL before he goes to the NHL. (Kinda wish he stayed in Rogle for this season now, tbh.)
Wallinder 1 year in the AHL but he looks damn close.
ASP 2 more years in Sweden than 1-2 more in the A if needed.
Soderblom first call up this year.
Johansson first call up this year.
Kasper will be fine. Everyone down on him because Danielson has impressed more is dumb. Like Danielson he has all the tools that most young guys don’t have. Let him be 1C in GR and let him focus purely on offense.
 
Kasper will be fine. Everyone down on him because Danielson has impressed more is dumb. Like Danielson he has all the tools that most young guys don’t have. Let him be 1C in GR and let him focus purely on offense.

That’s how I feel about it right now. Kasper is playing ultra conservative in the preseason right now to the detriment of his offense. What I saw in Rogle was a very different player than what’s been playing this preseason. Grand Rapids next to Soderblom for a full year with Hirose as his other winger will do wonders.
 

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