F Joakim Kemell - Milwaukee Admirals, AHL (2022, 17th, NSH)
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This guy is solid. Good hockey IQ, plays really well to own end when you think he is only 17 and does not fear anything. Really rare to see 17 year old who is ready to take hit to win puck.
This kid is going places
This kid is going places
Kaako Kappo
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Stupid strong on his legs. He does not fall down, knows how to take a hit.
Yeah actually amazed me most. Really like this kid and people who dont follow him closely will be amazed later.
Antiillafire
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One of the best shot releases in the draft imo. Kinda reminds me of Matthews release a bit. Can’t wait to see another TPS vs JYP match.
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Kind of weird to see someone constantly be so fixated over bashing Lambert. Kemell's success shouldn't have anything to do with Lambert.
I’m against admiring players almost totally on the basis of their skating. To me Lambert has been clearly overvalued because of his magnificent skating. Until he really starts showing that he is something else than just a speedskater, I will keep heavily pointing out his faults. And I have been doing it in Kemell’s thread too, because people should start waking up to the fact that Kemell is playing massively better than Lambert. It should be already quite likely that Kemell should be in the top five instead of Lambert.
If Lambert and players similar to him go high in drafts, I think it’s harmful for hockey as a sport. Just too much concentration in mindless speedskating, which makes the sport gradually more and more awful to watch.
Kemell is also a great skater but skating is just part of his toolbox, and he is so much more. The IQ, the intensity, the shot, the balance and strength and the passing skills - they are all clearly on another level compared to Lambert.
This is the kind of players that I want to see coming from the Finnish hockey development system. Just a perfect type of a player. So weird that people have been touting Lambert so much more than Kemell, when he isn’t really much more than a speedskater with a bit of dangling skills.
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Was this way before too but I'm surprised how well it's translating to Liiga. And well, how well everything is translating, really.
I don't understand how you can watch Lambert and Kemell and come to the conclusion that Lambert is the "mindless speedskater". Lambert hasn't adapted well to the physicality of a men's league, he looks somewhat overwhelmed and timid, while Kemell is thriving on physical play. Doesn't change the fact that Lambert is the better skater, stickhandler (these are very close, though), and is also a better passer and a more creative playmaker overall. Shot and the physical side go to Kemell, obviously.
Kemell can outplay a defender with his skating and stickhandling just about as well as Lambert, but Lambert definitely has a better awareness of everything going on on the ice. Just watch their highlights and you will see Lambert using his teammates more, creating chances through great passes, deflections etc. and if the opportunity arises, taking a deceptive shot. Kemell on the other hand is much more focused on getting into a shooting position, even if it's not the optimal play. It still works for him because he is insanely skilled and and thus gets a good amount of opportunities, but his ability to recognize the best play is not as good as Lambert's.
Have you been even watching them play? What you are describing is completely contradicting with what I see constantly in their play. Lambert very rarely makes good decisions with and without the puck. And especially with the puck he just usually loses the puck and causes dangerous turnovers. I haven’t seen Kemell do that almost at all.
Your description of Lambert’s play is almost the complete opposite of what I have been seeing on the ice for practically the whole last season, as well as the beginning of this season. In fact last season Lambert was already pretty bad, but the worst thing is that he has been playing even clearly worse this season. I really don’t know what games you have been watching, if you have truly seen Lambert do anything better than Kemell this season.
I'll just have to disagree then. I'm not saying Lambert has been better, but he definitely has the kind of awareness that allows him to think further ahead of the play, while Kemell is almost always going at 100% speed and mostly sees the plays as they become available. Obviously I hope I'm completely wrong, but I think this is what prevents Kemell from getting to the level of Barkov/Aho/Rantanen, because skill-wise there is nothing preventing that.
Been really stunned how well Kemell has transitioned to Liiga so far. Has 2x the shots of next JYP player, and been leading Jyp's individual xG almost every game. He should definitely be pumped up to 1st line duties asap.
So yeah he has obviously been better than Lambert and probably every other JYP player as well, but certain people here are really exagerating Lambert's downfall.
So yeah he has obviously been better than Lambert and probably every other JYP player as well, but certain people here are really exagerating Lambert's downfall.
Honestly what the hell are you talking about??? Lambert is exactly showing practically no awareness at all with the puck. Just hangs on to the puck most of the time until he usually loses it while trying to constantly dangle through the opponents. He almost never even passes the puck to anyone so how the hell is he showing the great awareness that you are delusionally claiming him to have?
I mean it is absolutely laughable to compare his awareness with players like Aho, Rantanen or even Barkov. Honestly Aho and Rantanen have even better awareness with the puck than Barkov, but Barkov has other talents that make him for sure elite. And yeah he also has great awareness with the puck, but just not as good as Aho and Rantanen.
I’m sorry to say that it’s absolutely laughable to read that Lambert has great awareness. If he would have it, he would have completely different success in Liiga already with his skating and the hands that he has. And the lack of hockey IQ and awareness is anyway what the eye test tells me 100% for last season and even more this season.
Kemell on the other hand is constantly making good decions with the puck and showing exactly that he understands what is the right thing to do in different situations and what leads into getting succesful results. He has been also using very well his team mates with well timed and accurate passes, and most importantly getting himself quickly open for recieving passes after that. He also very rarely makes stupid and risky choices with the puck with forcing the play, which is what Lambert is doing way way too often.
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Sorta confused about it, isn't it the complete opposite? One of Lambert's issues has been tunnel vision, Kemell on the other hand has much better vision and awareness and seems to be very good at getting into the right positions at the right times. So I'd say that your analysis is the exact opposite of what I've been seeing.
One good way of verifying it is looking at the players without the puck - Kemell's very good at getting himself open to receive the puck and rarely is outside the play, so to say. It's almost been the opposite for Lambert.
They seem to have given him the order to shoot all the time, I watched one game and their PP was kinda bad because it just consisted of someone passing to him and him shooting. He has a great shot and it will go in, but I think his shooting stats are a bit inflated.
Kaako Kappo
Kaako Kappo
Stuff like this impresses me a lot. Just don't see it from younger players too often.
If you look at the footage from his junior games, he shoots a lot. I don't think they're inflated at all, he just likes to shoot.
A bit weird to read that his shooting would be inflated, when his shooting percentage is as modest as 9,4%, and he is only 6th in his team with it. On the other hand his shooting total is already at 32 in only 5 games, while the tied 2nd position in the team comes with the shot total of only 18 shots.
In my opinion he is just very active with his skating and with getting very well open for shooting chances. And as he likes shooting every time that he gets any kind of a chance, getting open very well and often leads to him shooting a lot.
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Kaako Kappo
Kaako Kappo
I made a shift by shift out of yesterdays game. Spent a lot of time on their own end in the first half but survived.
Kemell is #37
That first clip doesn't look like the second coming of Seider that was a real touchy play not a hit and in the second clip the Dman lost an edge at the last second and his balance was off.
This isn't a knock on Kemeel as he looks really impressive this year but some of the comments of his play are over the top right now.
Like the one predicting that he might go second overall, sure it could happen but other players will have a say in that like Savoie and yes even Lambert.
