F Joakim Kemell - JYP, FIN JRS (2022, 17th, NSH)

[Jukurit]

Yes, Liiga is pretty much full of very defensive minded concervative coaches who easily favor veteran players. In fact the only really good coaches with developing young players and having some more active and fresh hockey style are Tommi Niemelä for Pelicans, Tommi Miettinen for KalPa and maybe Ville Peltonen for HIFK and Karri Kivi for Ässät. Niemelä is in fact taking his team right now to the Liiga finals and he is an excellent motivator and coach for young talents, although even he couldn’t get anything out of Brad Lambert last year. But Lambert is a bit problematic player in general, and not even close to as talented player as he was hyped for a couple years ago. Kemell on the other hand is a really talented player in my opinion, but was completely misused this season and in the doghouse of the worst coach in Liiga for coaching young talents, which was Rautakorpi.

You forgot Olli Jokinen for Jukurit.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Really excited to see how he has turned his season around. One of my favorite players going into last draft. You can't hate these guys with a knack for goal scoring! I love how ready primed was for the cross-ice pass from Leonard. He looks like he could be a powerplay fixture for a long time.

Seems like a pattern where some young players are not properly utilized in the Finnish League quite often. Do they have many coaches who are biased towards veterans? I heard Rautakorpi does not tend to deploy young players properly at all, and has a large focus on defense and physicality.

Yeah, it's a league where the teams really want to win the championship and that's their main goal. Not that nobody wants to win the championship in the AHL, but it's still more of a developmental league. There are exceptions of course, like Aho, Lundell, Heiskanen etc, but unless you play a strong two way game, you better have a damn strong start for the season.

It can be annoying as an NHL fan when you'd just want to see these kids get all the opportunities, but it's understandable from the coaches point of view.

 

[Ippenator]

You forgot Olli Jokinen for Jukurit.

Absolutely! Sorry for forgetting probably the best and most obvious one. Quite a brainfart from me honestly.

 

[AintLifeGrand]

Kemmel had 1g 1Aast night

now at 13 pts in 13 games

 

[AintLifeGrand]

You forgot Olli Jokinen for Jukurit.

Jukurit seeing Kemmel go point per game in AHL after dragging him all yr

 

[OKR]

I don't watch AHL games so I have nothing to report about.

That has never stopped you in the past tho…

 

[JabbaJabba]

Jukurit seeing Kemmel go point per game in AHL after dragging him all yr

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Kemell played for JYP but your point still stands.

 

[Hntz]

Kemell played for JYP but your point still stands.

Not sure if joking, but he means the poster Jukurit, not the team.

 

[JabbaJabba]

Not sure if joking, but he means the poster Jukurit, not the team.

I guess I'm an idiot.

 

[Jukurit]

Jukurit seeing Kemmel go point per game in AHL after dragging him all yr

Actually it was more like this:

 

[GreatDayforHockey]

Elite Prospects - AHL Stats 2022-2023

2022-2023 regular season player stats for AHL, including top goal scorers, most games played, PPG leaders and more.

www.eliteprospects.com

so this list shows this seasons under 20 AHL players and their points per game. Kemell turns just 19 on April 27! Yes his 13 games are a small sample size but this is damn impressive!

 

[ijuka]

Yeah, it's a league where the teams really want to win the championship and that's their main goal. Not that nobody wants to win the championship in the AHL, but it's still more of a developmental league. There are exceptions of course, like Aho, Lundell, Heiskanen etc, but unless you play a strong two way game, you better have a damn strong start for the season.

It can be annoying as an NHL fan when you'd just want to see these kids get all the opportunities, but it's understandable from the coaches point of view.

I think that this "they're trying to win" excuse is a bit tired. The issue is more that in Liiga right now, the brand of hockey being played is so dry and boring that it's the worst kind of dead puck era hockey imaginable. Interference is also so widely accepted that it neuters skill-based players completely ineffective.

While NHL wants to increase the amount of scoring in its games, for some reason Liiga seems to aim for an average of 4 goals per game along with an extremely dry and boring play style which has no room for individual skill.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

I think that this "they're trying to win" excuse is a bit tired.

It's not an excuse. The coach is trying to win and he's executing his plan which he thinks is the best way to win. In this case the coaches plan favors a grinding two way low-risk playstyle, so a player like Kemell will quickly get the boot if he doesn't succeed, because he doesn't fit the plan to begin with.

As mentioned before, all coaches aren't like this. Luckily.

 

[JJTT]

It's not an excuse. The coach is trying to win and he's executing his plan which he thinks is the best way to win. In this case the coaches plan favors a grinding two way low-risk playstyle, so a player like Kemell will quickly get the boot if he doesn't succeed, because he doesn't fit the plan to begin with.

As mentioned before, all coaches aren't like this. Luckily.

Look at the team Jyp had last season, Rautakorpi must be pretty stupid if he thinks he can win playing grinding two way hockey when your best players are one way scoring wingers like Turkulainen, Gardiner, Puustinen and Kemell. What a failure last season was for Jyp.

 

[Jukurit]

Look at the team Jyp had last season, Rautakorpi must be pretty stupid if he thinks he can win playing grinding two way hockey when your best players are one way scoring wingers like Turkulainen, Gardiner, Puustinen and Kemell. What a failure last season was for Jyp.

Turkulainen one-way scoring winger? What? He's a very good two-way player.

 

[Jukurit]

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Yeah that's a bad hit. I do like the edge he plays with at times but that was over the line.

 

[Lavar Ball]

Very dangerous play

 

[cheesymc]

Yup, now you see why the Predators picked him.

 

[BuffLumber]

Thank you for posting the video of the hit I was looking everywhere for it. @Jukurit not a great decision.

Still stoked for this kid.

 

[Jukurit]

Classic Kemell one-timer on PP for first AHL playoff goal

 

[GordieHowYaDoin]

How's he looking since coming over? On paper seems like he's fitting in great. Chance to crack the big club next season?

 

[ijuka]

A point per game in AHL is actually a pretty big deal. It's quite surprising, too, since he only scored around 1/3 points per game in Finland.

Perhaps his game's more suited for North American hockey, or there's something wrong with JYP. This is quite unusual for a player moving from Liiga moving to AHL within the same season. In fact, I cannot come up with a single comparable.

 

[JabbaJabba]

A point per game in AHL is actually a pretty big deal. It's quite surprising, too, since he only scored around 1/3 points per game in Finland.

Perhaps his game's more suited for North American hockey, or there's something wrong with JYP. This is quite unusual for a player moving from Liiga moving to AHL within the same season. In fact, I cannot come up with a single comparable.

Not getting burried in bottom 6 with players who can't do anything with the puck probably helped...

 

[teravaineSAROS]

A point per game in AHL is actually a pretty big deal. It's quite surprising, too, since he only scored around 1/3 points per game in Finland.

Perhaps his game's more suited for North American hockey, or there's something wrong with JYP. This is quite unusual for a player moving from Liiga moving to AHL within the same season. In fact, I cannot come up with a single comparable.

I definitely think the AHL is a good option for a lot of prospects.