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F Ivan Miroshnichenko (2022, 20th, WSH)

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Intangir said:
And if you consider that to be "hockey IQ problems" then 99% of the players in this draft have the same problems.

I don't mean to be insulting, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I just can't understand how people could ascribe such a weakness to a guy like Miro.

If you don't believe me then watch for yourself.



If Miro doesn't get selected in the top-10 then somebody is getting a really good deal on their draft pick investment. If he gets selected after the 20th pick then he is a borderline steal of a pick.

It might be a stretch, but I could see Miro pulling out a Tarasenko-like career when all is said and done.
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I actually never meant it to be an insult btw. You can tell that this dude is smart on the ice, but I just want to see it keep developing. You saying that he'll end up as a potential Tarasenko like player is massive, especially considering the plethora of teams in need of a goal scorer and not a playmaker in this draft. If your biggest knock as a "goal scorer" is menial penalty killing that I doubt anyone will use you on as an NHL team, then you shouldn't be fretting on IQ. As you said, "He wasn't always in good position defensively in the games I watched, nor was he overly physical, but Miroshnichenko showed a really good understanding of passing and shooting lanes as a forward and anticipated the play well during PKs. That, to me, is a sign of hockey sense"

So long as you can read a play and understand where the lanes are, that's very good.
 
RZAty said:
So long as you can read a play and understand where the lanes are, that's very good.
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My thoughts exactly as far as wingers are concerned defensively.

I might seem bullish on Miro but I have him 7th in my list right now, over the likes of Yurov, Slafkovsky and Nazar, but I've been really appreciating his games more and more as I've watched him progress and I might even bump him up in my rankings.

What he's doing at the VHL level right now is just disgustingly good.

Remove Michkov from the equation since he's generational and I think Miro might just be the best russian prospect I've seen since Andrei Svechnikov.
 
Intangir said:
My thoughts exactly as far as wingers are concerned defensively.

I might seem bullish on Miro but I have him 7th in my list right now, over the likes of Yurov, Slafkovsky and Nazar, but I've been really appreciating his games more and more as I've watched him progress and I might even bump him up in my rankings.

What he's doing at the VHL level right now is just disgustingly good.
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the only knocks that people really can make are
1. He's in Russia for another 2 seasons (if any Russian here can confirm this, that would be nice)
2. He didn't make the WJ's team for a selection based only on players within Russia

Besides that? This dude has the makeup for a very good player
 
Intangir said:
My thoughts exactly as far as wingers are concerned defensively.

I might seem bullish on Miro but I have him 7th in my list right now, over the likes of Yurov, Slafkovsky and Nazar, but I've been really appreciating his games more and more as I've watched him progress and I might even bump him up in my rankings.

What he's doing at the VHL level right now is just disgustingly good.

Remove Michkov from the equation since he's generational and I think Miro might just be the best russian prospect I've seen since Andrei Svechnikov.
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If you have him over Yurov(and Yurov is just another great prospect out of Russia, not some supersonic comparable to 2OA picks) then you are wrong already.
 
RZAty said:
the only knocks that people really can make are
1. He's in Russia for another 2 seasons (if any Russian here can confirm this, that would be nice)
2. He didn't make the WJ's team for a selection based only on players within Russia

Besides that? This dude has the makeup for a very good player
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The knock is:

He seems to be all physical skill(which he has plenty of no question) and less of a high hockey IQ player. There are players of that kind who have success in the NHL. Taylor Hall is a prime example. But hockey IQ can barely be taught and is crucial for a long peak career.

The fact that he was not selected to the WJC squad as a double underager is overrated. A lot of people including myself expected him to be on, BUT as I stated it clearly based of his rep as one of the top prospects in that age group for a long time. Based on his performance this season the decision was understandable. If he picks it up big time until August who knows, he might be on the team still.
 
Atas2000 said:
The knock is:

He seems to be all physical skill(which he has plenty of no question) and less of a high hockey IQ player. There are players of that kind who have success in the NHL. Taylor Hall is a prime example. But hockey IQ can barely be taught and is crucial for a long peak career.

The fact that he was not selected to the WJC squad as a double underager is overrated. A lot of people including myself expected him to be on, BUT as I stated it clearly based of his rep as one of the top prospects in that age group for a long time. Based on his performance this season the decision was understandable. If he picks it up big time until August who knows, he might be on the team still.
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So if he's Russian Taylor Hall, then I don't sense that as a bad thing. Just expect a bunch of lottery luck in your future?
 
RZAty said:
So if he's Russian Taylor Hall, then I don't sense that as a bad thing. Just expect a bunch of lottery luck in your future?
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He is a Taylor Hall on style. He certainly is no Taylor Hall as in 1OA. As I said he is still a good prospect and worth some hype. There are just question marks.
 
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Is expected to be called up the the KHL at some point this year?
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I doubt that given what org he is in. They don't necessarily need a 17-18 year old. Hartley wasn't calling him up ever. Why would he now? It's not like Miro is exploding in the minors.
 
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I doubt that given what org he is in. They don't necessarily need a 17-18 year old. Hartley wasn't calling him up ever. Why would he now? It's not like Miro is exploding in the minors.
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you think next season he gets a shot?
 
wings5 said:
Is this an assumption or did Hartley say something?
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There is a lot of rumors and leaks around Avangard going on that suggest Hartley is pretty subjective about players he likes and dislikes. A lot of people wanted to see Miroshnichenko called up more. But it seems what is good for Gritsyuk is never going to happen for Miro.
 
Atas2000 said:
I doubt that given what org he is in. They don't necessarily need a 17-18 year old. Hartley wasn't calling him up ever. Why would he now? It's not like Miro is exploding in the minors.
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May not be "exploding", but still having the second best ever p/g season for a U18 in that league. And don't discount the impact the covid season has on a player like this - he made the jump to the pro game full time after just 20 games at the major junior level. Let that sink in...

VHL is a good league. I would daresay better than the Czech or German leagues. Or certainly on par at least.
 
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May not be "exploding", but still having the second best ever p/g season for a U18 in that league. And don't discount the impact the covid season has on a player like this - he made the jump to the pro game full time after just 20 games at the major junior level. Let that sink in...

VHL is a good league. I would daresay better than the Czech or German leagues. Or certainly on par at least.
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The problem for Miroshnichenko is the KHL decided to start the playoffs after the Olympics. Again, Avangard is hardly the team to call him up as they will compete for the Cup and their 1st round will be tough enough. No time for experimenting.
 
Cross posting the experience I saw with my dad for Lymphoma,

Also my memory is a bit fuzzy on all the details that the doctors shared

I can comment my dad passed away from lymphoma.

Hodgkins is the one you "want" if your going to get one, hodgkins is a cancer that is primarily in the blood, it grows quickly but it can also be treated quickly. For reference, my dad received a stage 3/4 diagnosis of Hodgkins around Feb 2013 and by August 2013 he was cancer-free. Non-Hodgkins however, is the really nasty one, it primairly attacks your bone marrow (where blood cells are made), it grows slower and as a result when it's discovered it's typically near a situation where it's difficult to turn it around.

Also worth noting the two are linked. For my dad while his first treatment went perfectly and he had 6 years of a cancer-free life following his 2013 treatment. In 2019 non-hodgkins appeared and it was multiple worse also causing his Hodgkins lymphoma to return as well. If it returns it's now immune to the Chemo treatments you take in the first pass and because of the fast-growing nature of the cancer, it's difficult to keep under control. For my dad he was diagnosed again in Feb 2019 after describing that he was feeling fatigued and he passed away in August 2019.

All the best for this kid, as it's an absolutely awful disease
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Unfortunately I'd expect Ivan drops pretty significantly in the draft and a team in the late 2nd takes a swing on him with the hope he recovers.

One other thing, with this type of cancer it wipes you out physically because it's a blood cancer, the way it was described to me by my dad was that he was constantly fatigued. Because the blood cells we're getting screwed with they had trouble carrying oxygen too the rest of the body the same way a healthy person would. To compensate the heart starts pumping harder to do the same work. His resting heart rate should have been like 70-90 and he was at 120-130 for about 6 months. So your body starts deteriorating physically. I'd say Ivan is likely looking at a 2 year recovery before he's even back to what he's like today.
 
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Colezuki said:
Cross posting the experience I saw with my dad for Lymphoma,

Also my memory is a bit fuzzy on all the details that the doctors shared



Unfortunately I'd expect Ivan drops pretty significantly in the draft and a team in the late 2nd takes a swing on him with the hope he recovers.

One other thing, with this type of cancer it wipes you out physically because it's a blood cancer, the way it was described to me by my dad was that he was constantly fatigued. Because the blood cells we're getting screwed with they had trouble carrying oxygen too the rest of the body the same way a healthy person would. To compensate the heart starts pumping harder to do the same work. His resting heart rate should have been like 70-90 and he was at 120-130 for about 6 months. So your body starts deteriorating physically. I'd say Ivan is likely looking at a 2 year recovery before he's even back to what he's like today.
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Arizona has three 1st rounder and FIVE 2nd rounders (so far-they haven't traded Chychrun or Kessel yet) all in the top 45-50. I think if there's one team that can gamble on a kid who's sick, and from Russia (given the politics of the invasion), it's Arizona. I wouldn't be totally opposed to taking him with one of the last few picks of the 1st round, even (Colorado or Carolina's picks).
 
rt said:
Arizona has three 1st rounder and FIVE 2nd rounders (so far-they haven't traded Chychrun or Kessel yet) all in the top 45-50. I think if there's one team that can gamble on a kid who's sick, and from Russia (given the politics of the invasion), it's Arizona. I wouldn't be totally opposed to taking him with one of the last few picks of the 1st round, even (Colorado or Carolina's picks).
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That's the smart play for a rebuilding team. Considering guys picked late 1st and on have such a slim chance of making an impact anyways
 
Wish the kid the best and hopefully he can make a full recovery.

rt said:
Arizona has three 1st rounder and FIVE 2nd rounders (so far-they haven't traded Chychrun or Kessel yet) all in the top 45-50. I think if there's one team that can gamble on a kid who's sick, and from Russia (given the politics of the invasion), it's Arizona. I wouldn't be totally opposed to taking him with one of the last few picks of the 1st round, even (Colorado or Carolina's picks).
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Do the Coyotes even employ a Russian based scout at this point? Teams that don't have scouts located in Russia tend to be less likely to draft Russians. And, I'd think that would be even more magnified right now with travel to Russia severely restricted (and I don't think any NHL team is going to force scouts to go there) and no marquee tournaments to watch them.
 
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