F Ivan Demidov - SKA St. Petersburg, KHL (2024, 5th, MTL) Part 2

[Thomas Sowell]

Look at the stats Sochi had with Michkov. They had just two players who created offense, Michkov and Tyanulin... Pity the Flyers didn't sign Tyanulin in the offseason, btw, he's better than any LW the team has...

Sorry I was wrong about my numbers. Michkov actually got the most toi between the 3 of them

And in the 16 games since he's gotten top six minutes (17 minutes) he's had 13 goals and 9 assists for 22 points. A nearly 1.4 PPG pace to Michkov's .85PPG

Teammates can have an impact but when the points per game has THAT big of a gap with the exact same ice time, amd hrs seemingly getting better every game before our eyes....I really think the kids just genuinely on another level man

 

[Frank Drebin]

Sorry I was wrong about my numbers. Michkov actually got the most toi between the 3 of them
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And in the 16 games since he's gotten top six minutes (17 minutes) he's had 13 goals and 9 assists for 22 points. A nearly 1.4 PPG pace to Michkov's .85PPG

Teammates can have an impact but when the points per game has THAT big of a gap with the exact same ice time, amd hrs seemingly getting better every game before our eyes....I really think the kids just genuinely on another level man

Check your notifications my god

 

[Kshahdoo]

Sorry I was wrong about my numbers. Michkov actually got the most toi between the 3 of them
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And in the 16 games since he's gotten top six minutes (17 minutes) he's had 13 goals and 9 assists for 22 points. A nearly 1.4 PPG pace to Michkov's .85PPG

Teammates can have an impact but when the points per game has THAT big of a gap with the exact same ice time, amd hrs seemingly getting better every game before our eyes....I really think the kids just genuinely on another level man

Michkov scored 19 goals out of the team's 123 in those 47 games he played for Sochi. Demidov scored 19 out of 189 SKA's goals. Sochi had 2.62 GPG with Michkov and 2.14 GPG without him. See the difference?

 

[Thomas Sowell]

Michkov scored 19 goals out of the team's 123 in those 47 games he played for Sochi. Demidov scored 19 out of 189 SKA's goals. Sochi had 2.62 GPG with Michkov and 2.14 GPG without him. See the difference?

Prior to the Hughes visit, Demidov was averaging about 10+ minutes per game. In the 16 games since the Hughes visit with Rottenberg, Demidov has gotten 17 minutes of ice time (Michkov averaged 16:58) and in those games Demidov has scored 13 of SKA's 63 goals. SKA had a GPG of 3.93 with Demidov and 3.12 GPG without him. Can you see the difference?

And apologies I was wrong on the points total. It's actually 23 in 16 games for a PPG of 1.43

 

[Kshahdoo]

Prior to the Hughes visit, Demidov was averaging about 10+ minutes per game. In the 16 games since the Hughes visit with Rottenberg, Demidov has gotten 17 minutes of ice time (Michkov averaged 16:58) and in those games Demidov has scored 13 of SKA's 63 goals. SKA had a GPG of 3.93 with Demidov and 3.12 GPG without him. Can you see the difference?

And apologies I was wrong on the points total. It's actually 23 in 16 games for a PPG of 1.43

Demidov played in all but one game this season. In 16 games he played under 10 min and scored 4 points (1+3). In 34 games he played 10-22 min and scored 38 points (18+20). SKA scored 130 goals in those 34 games (Sochi scored 123 goals in 47 games with Michkov), 18 of them were Demidov's. Still not as good as Michkov's contribution. And it's obvious that SKA plays run-n-gun style while Sochi played defense (still pretty sucky, though) first one. And don't forget about quality of teammates...

And Michkov was a PPG+ player untill he started to have health problems...

 

[MoneyManny]

Demidov played in all but one game this season. In 16 games he played under 10 min and scored 4 points (1+3). In 34 games he played 10-22 min and scored 38 points (18+20). SKA scored 130 goals in those 34 games (Sochi scored 123 goals in 47 games with Michkov), 18 of them were Demidov's. Still not as good as Michkov's contribution. And it's obvious that SKA plays run-n-gun style while Sochi played defense (still pretty sucky, though) first one. And don't forget about quality of teammates...

And Michkov was a PPG+ player untill he started to have health problems...

You're really digging hella deep for arguments here it's hilarious. Can't wait to see what's next.

 

[Kshahdoo]

You're really digging hella deep for arguments here it's hilarious. Can't wait to see what's next.

Lol, "hella deep" would be all that advanced stats shit, you won't force me to do it...

 

[bud12]

Demidov played in all but one game this season. In 16 games he played under 10 min and scored 4 points (1+3). In 34 games he played 10-22 min and scored 38 points (18+20). SKA scored 130 goals in those 34 games (Sochi scored 123 goals in 47 games with Michkov), 18 of them were Demidov's. Still not as good as Michkov's contribution. And it's obvious that SKA plays run-n-gun style while Sochi played defense (still pretty sucky, though) first one. And don't forget about quality of teammates...

And Michkov was a PPG+ player untill he started to have health problems...

Lol what a weird span. Like if 10 and 22 are remotely close. Demidov have surpassed Michkov pretty much on everyone mind and for good reason. The kid is simply a better hockey player.

 

[PittsburghHustlers]

That's true but generally speaking I think that playing a lot of minutes and PP time on a bad team is still a bit more beneficial to production than playing very few minutes on a better team. Playing a lot of minutes on a good team is obviously better than both.

Agreed. For example, Celebrini's point totals would probably be worse if he played on the third line and second PP on the Oilers instead of top six and PP1 with the Sharks.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Lol what a weird span. Like if 10 and 22 are remotely close. Demidov have surpassed Michkov pretty much on everyone mind and for good reason. The kid is simply a better hockey player.

10 min is pretty typical use for a rookie, nothing outlier. Overall pretty close in TOI to what Michkov had. And relative contribution stats are still better for Matvei. Despite all health problems he had during the season.

 

[bud12]

10 min is pretty typical use for a rookie, nothing outlier. Overall pretty close in TOI to what Michkov had. And relative contribution stats are still better for Matvei. Despite all health problems he had during the season.

Michkov averaged 17min a game. This is top6 time. Playing 10min a game is 4th liner time. Nothing but close and more if we take pptime into consideration. You can use health problem all you want, Demidov have surpassed Michkov on the deepchart. I have a hard time thinking of one aspect of his game that I would chose over Demidov.

 

[LaineBOOM]

I post it here too as Demidov is definitely starting to sound like a prospect of Biblical magnitude:

Ivan "Dove" Demidov

 

[LaineBOOM]

I also heard from a Finnish relative yesterday that there was a Russian dutchess (ruhtinatar) with last name Demidova who fled to Finland, but was cheated out of all her fortune and ended up living in a basic yard house in Eastern Finland. It humbled her. It may or not be the case that Ivan is related to this dutchess.

Ivan is generational in skill BUT also as humble as one can be if it is true. Where does it end with this guy?? Soon we gonna hear that he is a reincarnated Gretzky?? WOW!!

 

[LaineBOOM]

This is the Dutchess, I think I see a bit of Ivan in her..

 

[MoneyManny]

10 min is pretty typical use for a rookie, nothing outlier. Overall pretty close in TOI to what Michkov had. And relative contribution stats are still better for Matvei. Despite all health problems he had during the season.

Pretty close? 10 min is as close to 17 min as 100 points are to 170.

Your bullshit has become gross. You're not even trying anymore.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Pretty close? 10 min is as close to 17 min as 100 points are to 170.

Your bullshit has become gross. You're not even trying anymore.

I say overall, so average TOI for those 34 games is about 16 min

 

[montreal]

Demidov played in all but one game this season. In 16 games he played under 10 min and scored 4 points (1+3). In 34 games he played 10-22 min and scored 38 points (18+20). SKA scored 130 goals in those 34 games (Sochi scored 123 goals in 47 games with Michkov), 18 of them were Demidov's. Still not as good as Michkov's contribution. And it's obvious that SKA plays run-n-gun style while Sochi played defense (still pretty sucky, though) first one. And don't forget about quality of teammates...

And Michkov was a PPG+ player untill he started to have health problems...

If you drop to under 9:14 he played 11 games and had 1 pt. The big thing was taking him off the PP where at one point his ave PP TOI dropped to :29 He has yet to score a PP goal all year.

 

[Kshahdoo]

If you drop to under 9:14 he played 11 games and had 1 pt. The big thing was taking him off the PP where at one point his ave PP TOI dropped to :29 He has yet to score a PP goal all year.

If you remember that SKA 4th liners could be 1st liners on Sochi, though... or rather would be.

 

[Artaud]

Demidov played in all but one game this season. In 16 games he played under 10 min and scored 4 points (1+3). In 34 games he played 10-22 min and scored 38 points (18+20). SKA scored 130 goals in those 34 games (Sochi scored 123 goals in 47 games with Michkov), 18 of them were Demidov's. Still not as good as Michkov's contribution. And it's obvious that SKA plays run-n-gun style while Sochi played defense (still pretty sucky, though) first one. And don't forget about quality of teammates...

And Michkov was a PPG+ player untill he started to have health problems...

The percentage of points is more indicative of the team's depth than quality of actual linemates. You are twisting it to mean that Michkov's linemates were that much worst than Demidov's, when in reality it's about the whole rest of the team too.

Obviousky SKA has amazing depth. Given that Demidov barely touched the PP, you could say he was, in fact, that depth himself.

But this is all pointless stat watching. The real truth is found watching the games, which I'm sure you've seen a lot of, and I respect your opinion on those players because eye test is subjective.

Personally, I have rarely seen an 18 year old player make impossible highlight reel plays as often as Demidov in a league of the KHL's caliber. I don't really care about the production at this point. I know he's special.