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Prospect Info: F Isak Rosen (14th Overall, 2021), Assigned 11.26.2024

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toddkaz said:
Rosen, Poltapov and Kisakov. This team could have done so much more with those picks.
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The Kisakov pick needs a grace. That was the Covid draft, so there’s gonna be a lot of movement based on where someone was drafted. There’s gonna be a lot of movement and questions.

But as far as Kisakov, there was a lot of perceived movement there. It just hasn’t worked out so far.
 
MarkusKetterer said:
The Kisakov pick needs a grace. That was the Covid draft, so there’s gonna be a lot of movement based on where someone was drafted. There’s gonna be a lot of movement and questions.

But as far as Kisakov, there was a lot of perceived movement there. It just hasn’t worked out so far.
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was there "movement"?????
 
Chainshot said:
With last night's hat trick, he's now tied for 2nd in the AHL for primary points (31), and has moved up to 4th in goals. He too might be a guy another team considers near NHL ready.
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What are your thoughts Chain @Chainshot ? You see alot of him, can he turn into a effective NHL'er ie De Brincat ? or will his size/frame hold him back ?
 
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Considering all the time he lost D+1 his development is impressive. I've always been salty about the pick but I'd say he's already surpassed my low expectations.
 
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ValJamesDuex said:
What are your thoughts Chain @Chainshot ? You see alot of him, can he turn into a effective NHL'er ie De Brincat ? or will his size/frame hold him back ?
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I wonder what the path forward is for him. He's got a couple of skills that really pop, especially of late, in how he has almost effortless burst to get around the corners of defenders and get separation and how quickly he gets the puck on net. He doesn't wind up for big shots, he takes more of a half-wind up or snapper and it's accurately away in a blink. But is he another scorer? They already have a heap of people ahead of him doing similar things. Is he a 2-way guy? I don't see DeBrincat, I get the Ehlers comps still but I'm just wondering where he fits even as he's moved from a "maybe this works out" to a "he deserves a chance, his play has been that good" player.
 
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Chainshot said:
I wonder what the path forward is for him. He's got a couple of skills that really pop, especially of late, in how he has almost effortless burst to get around the corners of defenders and get separation and how quickly he gets the puck on net. He doesn't wind up for big shots, he takes more of a half-wind up or snapper and it's accurately away in a blink. But is he another scorer? They already have a heap of people ahead of him doing similar things. Is he a 2-way guy? I don't see DeBrincat, I get the Ehlers comps still but I'm just wondering where he fits even as he's moved from a "maybe this works out" to a "he deserves a chance, his play has been that good" player.
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Wing for EP40 :naughty:
 
Ace said:
It’s almost like they shouldn’t have sat on so many prospects knowing they couldn’t all get a chance
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That was my complaint about Adams drafting. He didn't draft with a plan because we have too many forwards and no high end defensive prospects.

That being said I hope Rosen gets a chance this year maybe near the end to see what he can do. The other problem is this team needs to be more physical and we seem to draft underweight forwards who are more finesse players.

I am not sure Rosen has enough value to get a top 4 RHD but that would be ideal. He needs to play in the NHL to see what he can do and his value.
 
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toddkaz said:
That was my complaint about Adams drafting. He didn't draft with a plan because we have too many forwards and no high end defensive prospects.

That being said I hope Rosen gets a chance this year maybe near the end to see what he can do. The other problem is this team needs to be more physical and we seem to draft underweight forwards who are more finesse players.

I am not sure Rosen has enough value to get a top 4 RHD but that would be ideal. He needs to play in the NHL to see what he can do and his value.
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Sometimes you can get it for free or very cheap.
 
toddkaz said:
I agree the past has proven that top 4 defenders have been traded for 2nd round picks and more than once.

That being said with Adams trading a 2nd for Malenstyn I am not sure Adams can.
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The problem is not even Malenstyn, but that Adams seems to have no idea how to build a team properly or there is something going on there, just contradictory information. There were rumors about Pesce (a suitable target for the top 4 RD), then there were rumors about Necas/Ehlers (top 6 forward, who we waited for 5 years). And I do not understand why Adams (Terry or both) decided not to add other players if they could not get Pesce and Necas/Ehlers. They should have a list of 20-30 players per position and work on each player, I just do not understand their actions, in this case, inaction.
 
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Ace said:
It’s almost like they shouldn’t have sat on so many prospects knowing they couldn’t all get a chance
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That's been my issue with shoehorning everyone into Rochester. There is no room for anyone other than those very high picks to flourish because they are the only ones getting icetime. Got a deficiency in net front play? Have a player who does THAT all the time? Nah, can't have him getting reps at the AHL level, so dispatch him off to the Coast. There is so very little about anyone having to overcome anything in this organization to achieve anything, the sorts of guys who battle over and through everything, and instead is about skill and pedigree.

That said, Rosen has been a conscientious defensive player and almost all of his production is primary points (31 out of 34) just one point off league leaders Steeves and Stranges (32 each). He's not soaking up a bunch of 2ndary assists, he's the guy making the pass or taking the shot.

If he's not a guy I think of when looking at Sid's history of strong wingers - the other muckers he seems to relish playing with - but he might be an interesting fit for Malkin in Pittsburgh. He has the speed to stretch defenses and push people off the line for someone like Geno, is reasonably responsible in how he backchecks - one of his strengths has been how he will use that short two-step burst to close on and harry people from behind - and of course he can finish from mid-range and closer. I wonder if he's someone Dubas is looking at.
 
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All of his shots look like they’re from the area where our other winger prospects all shot from, which doesn’t seem to translate to the NHL.

He might not be a “bust” but he sure seems like a wasted high end asset so far.
 
Chainshot said:
I wonder what the path forward is for him. He's got a couple of skills that really pop, especially of late, in how he has almost effortless burst to get around the corners of defenders and get separation and how quickly he gets the puck on net. He doesn't wind up for big shots, he takes more of a half-wind up or snapper and it's accurately away in a blink. But is he another scorer? They already have a heap of people ahead of him doing similar things. Is he a 2-way guy? I don't see DeBrincat, I get the Ehlers comps still but I'm just wondering where he fits even as he's moved from a "maybe this works out" to a "he deserves a chance, his play has been that good" player.
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You know, Rosen probably has the same general questions at this point.

He's probably playing well realizing that is his best, last, hope, to get out of this organization.
 
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