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F Filip Zadina (2018, 6th, DET) Part 2

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Eagle Peninsula said:
You probably wanted Tkachuk because you didn't think Zadina would've been available for you. Zadina still looks like a good pick at 6th but I think you're forgetting there was a LOT of hype for him in his draft year. The guy was pegged as a superstar and a surefire top 3 pick and there was even discussion whether he could surpass Svechnikov as the 2nd overall pick. People laughed at Montreal, Ottawa and Arizona for passing on him.

I'm sure he's progressing just fine for you guys but if coming into the draft you would've told that in his D+2 year Zadina would be just showing promising signs at the NHL level and that's about it you would've got a lot of negative replies.
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That’s not true. Plenty of people preferred Tkachuk, though he was a popular player for many HF posters to hate on in his draft year. Zadina was never a slam dunk top 3 prospect as you’re claiming. In Mckenzie’s ranking Tkachuk was 3rd and Zadina 4th
 
Tatar Shots said:
That’s not true. Plenty of people preferred Tkachuk, though he was a popular player for many HF posters to hate on in his draft year. Zadina was never a slam dunk top 3 prospect as you’re claiming. In Mckenzie’s ranking Tkachuk was 3rd and Zadina 4th
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The opinions on Tkachuk varied wildly, some didn't even consider him as a top 10 prospect. Zadina was seen as a slamdunk top 3 prospect most of the year, but right around the draft day rumours started to pop up that he might go later which he did.
 
Eagle Peninsula said:
The opinions on Tkachuk varied wildly, some didn't even consider him as a top 10 prospect. Zadina was seen as a slamdunk top 3 prospect most of the year, but right around the draft day rumours started to pop up that he might go later which he did.
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The selections of centers Kotkaniemi and Barrett Hayton at three and five was what threw everything off though, not so much the selection of Tkachuk.

Most drafts thought Zadina was going to Montreal because he filled a need for the Habs (scoring), but they felt they needed the best available center more vs another wing. Most people had Kotkaniemi going bottom half of top ten. Then at five, Arizona reached with Barrett Hayton because they also preferred a center.

Tkachuk went a lot closer to what people thought vs those two picks (Kotkaniemi and Hayton). I don't have much recollection of him being outside the top ten much, but I def have that recollection of Hayton. Teams just needed best centers available at three and five though.

You're right though, as Wings fans we had no idea that Zadina was going to be there, and we thought we were getting a defenseman. Opinions on Hughes, Dobson and Bouchard were all varied and there was no real consensus (I know I wanted Dobson, but not when I saw Zadina was available).
 
Eagle Peninsula said:
The opinions on Tkachuk varied wildly, some didn't even consider him as a top 10 prospect. Zadina was seen as a slamdunk top 3 prospect most of the year, but right around the draft day rumours started to pop up that he might go later which he did.
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What were the career projections for Brady Tkachuk going into the draft? And what are his career projections now?

When Zadina was a draft eligible people were saying he'd be a sure bet to score 30+ goals a season and provide solid 2-way play much like Hossa or Alfredsson. Watching him play this year that is not out of the realm of possibility, considering he was basically a 1-man line when he was up with the wings. I think if the Wings can get a better 2nd line center than Nielsen or Fillpulla in 2020 that Zadina would produce at a 60 point pace.
 
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Eagle Peninsula said:
The opinions on Tkachuk varied wildly, some didn't even consider him as a top 10 prospect. Zadina was seen as a slamdunk top 3 prospect most of the year, but right around the draft day rumours started to pop up that he might go later which he did.
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I don’t recall it being that way. I thought it was mostly just fans on here with an aversion to Tkachuk. I maintained him at 3 throughout the year. Anyways, I’d say it was more Kotkaniemi and especially Hayton going before him that was a surprise
 
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Eagle Peninsula said:
The opinions on Tkachuk varied wildly, some didn't even consider him as a top 10 prospect. Zadina was seen as a slamdunk top 3 prospect most of the year, but right around the draft day rumours started to pop up that he might go later which he did.
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I mean I didn't because I don't like power forwards in the top 10 (boy was I wrong!). But I'm also just a random dude with an opinion, and not a scout or a reputable source.

Can you prove anyone other than a random dude like me had Tkachuk outside the top 10? From what I remember, he was ranked alongside Zadina by pretty much everyone 3rd, 4th, and 5th mostly). I remember quite well seeing as I wanted Zadina at the time.

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2018 NHL Draft Rankings
Tkachuk's lowest ranking is 9th, but his average is 5th overall
Zadina's lowest ranking is 4th overall , and his average is 3rd overall
 
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He was above a half ppg for Detroit down the stretch. Everyone needs to relax a little bit. He's moving along just fine, and should get middle 6 and PP minutes next year.
 
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newfy said:
You said you felt like he would be a good scorer and player for a long time. Felt is past tense making it sound like you dont think that anymore
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I think the narrative that he might be ready soon has hurt him with some that are not watching. The Wings brass said it after the pick and it was pretty clear by that first pre-season that just wasn't the case, that he needed more development time.

I wasn't super high on Zadina, not like most of our board. But there is a lot there to like, I just preferred other guys in that draft in particular Hughes, Tkachuk and Dobson. Zadina had a good year, improved a lot in his second year as a pro and I would expect another big step next year.
 
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Kevin8se7en said:
I mean I didn't because I don't like power forwards in the top 10 (boy was I wrong!). But I'm also just a random dude with an opinion, and not a scout or a reputable source.

Can you prove anyone other than a random dude like me had Tkachuk outside the top 10? From what I remember, he was ranked alongside Zadina by pretty much everyone 3rd, 4th, and 5th mostly). I remember quite well seeing as I wanted Zadina at the time.

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2018 NHL Draft Rankings
Tkachuk's lowest ranking is 9th, but his average is 5th overall
Zadina's lowest ranking is 4th overall , and his average is 3rd overall
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I think you proved it right here.
 
Tatar Shots said:
That’s not true. Plenty of people preferred Tkachuk, though he was a popular player for many HF posters to hate on in his draft year. Zadina was never a slam dunk top 3 prospect as you’re claiming. In Mckenzie’s ranking Tkachuk was 3rd and Zadina 4th
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I never did think Zadina was worthy of top 3 pick, but most had him pegged there. At #6 I did think he is a good player to take a shot on.

So far Zadina has been improving nicely, if he keeps improving steadily he will be a solid to good top 6 winger. That is all you can ask for at 6.
 
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besides needing a few years to physically develop and learn the nhl ropes zadina has also been being held back by playing without any talent at center or defense at all . but you can see the smarts , shot , edges , hands , passing , determination . hes got all kinds of offensive weaponry ands able to make his own space or space for teammates in the o zone with excellent passes . hes a weapon that could easily play top line with a good center is my opinion .
 
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The Winter Soldier said:
I think he will be a star, and it should be pretty soon.
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I am really sorry, but i can't see him anything less than 30 goal 70 point winger, He Is just too smart and his playmaking/puckhandling skill is elite, not to mention he is backchecking like crazy. He will be like Czech Panarin, who is making his line much better, he totally elevated nielsens/filpulas game and they are efing bums. I predict 20+ goal 60 point season next year. When he gets somewhat decent 2nd line center you will see what i am talking about.
 
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I am really sorry, but i can't see him anything less than 30 goal 70 point winger, He Is just too smart and his playmaking/puckhandling skill is elite, not to mention he is backchecking like crazy. He will be like Czech Panarin, who is making his line much better, he totally elevated nielsens/filpulas game and they are efing bums. I predict 20+ goal 60 point season next year. When he gets somewhat decent 2nd line center you will see what i am talking about.
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Don't be sorry, you nailed it. The kid is talented, the way the game is played today, it fits Zadina's talents. When the Red Wings improve their talent, Zadina will be a big part of that improvement. I think he will show he should have been picked even higher in the draft than #6.
 
if either rasmussen or perfetti can play nhl center a line of PERFETTI-RASMUSSEN-ZADINA would be great , zadina with perfetti would be a scoring machine
 
Hugo Sham said:
should be a regular 25-30 goal, 50+ pt winger in the NHL. solid
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I mean the rate at which he was playing prior to the halt in play, he was virtually playing at that pace as it was. So what you have said is that "he should be exactly what he appears to be right now"

Very astute
 
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WolvesAndWings said:
He was above a half ppg for Detroit down the stretch. Everyone needs to relax a little bit. He's moving along just fine, and should get middle 6 and PP minutes next year.
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I'm not down on Zadina like others I think he can still be good but "ppg down the stretch" is almost totally useless for bolstering a player's stock. Taro Hirose had a good ppg down the stretch in 2019 for example.
 
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KirkAlbuquerque said:
I'm not down on Zadina like others I think he can still be good but "ppg down the stretch" is almost totally useless for bolstering a player's stock. Taro Hirose had a good ppg down the stretch in 2019 for example.
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He played 28 games and had 15 points. Stats are records of what actually happened. And what actually happened is Zadina produced at an acceptable level given the opportunity he was presented.

That's why that number is important. It demonstrates acceptable productivity and should in reality squish any stupid talk along the lines of "oH hE's BuStInG!!!!!"
 
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