WingsMJN2965
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You're bound to be right at some point when you talk shit about literally every f***ing player.
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F Filip Zadina (2018, 6th, DET) Part 2
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You're bound to be right at some point when you talk shit about literally every f***ing player.
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newfy
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I'm not making predictions about how good hes going to be or anything but theres not much reason to be down on Zadina based on the games hes played the last couple weeks. If you think AA has been better youre either pushing an agenda or not watching
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Or I'm watching and think AA has been better than Zadina.
Seriously.
People can have different opinions.
newfy
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Yes thats true I guess.
You have a bad opinion though if youre watching and still think that lol
That’s like me saying my opinion is McDavid isn’t a good hockey player.
It’s an opinion... just a wrong one.
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Get real.
You're talking about a guy who's done next to nothing. Not McDavid.
Zadina
0 G/60
1.15 P/60
5.73 shots/60
Even in a shit year, AA is beating that.
And you're acting like it's off the f***ing wall to suggest AA has been better.
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Zadina has 2 goals and 7 points in 10 games (143 total minutes) this year.
AA has 5 goals and 16 points in 31 games (502 total minutes) this year.
Zadina's p/60 numbers should be better, no?
You would think the 0 g/60 would have made you think about the numbers you were posting.
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That is not even including that AA is historically awful at defense and is cherry-picking constantly. Plus / minus is a bad indicator overall but not in his case. AA should be shipped out for anything they can get at this point.
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He was rushed into the nhl unfortunately. Before getting drafted scouts were saying Kotkaniemi would be a long term project... typical habs management rushed him into the league at 18.
Yes injuries have not helped, but he has not been very good even before the injuries.
Loved Zadina as a prospect & definitely hope he succeeds with the Wings, looking great so far
DontEverTouchMyPuck
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Leave the comparisons for the drunken bar conversations.
AA is an excellent all-around player. I believe that if Montreal had to do it over again, they would take JK every time.
Zadina is looking much more confident and has big upside. Enjoy the ride with him.
AA is an excellent all-around player. I believe that if Montreal had to do it over again, they would take JK every time.
Zadina is looking much more confident and has big upside. Enjoy the ride with him.
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I'll always compare these two kind of like Taylor can Tyler. Curious how it ends. I think jesperi had a very good rookie season... I'm quite high on him. Zadinas had a disappointing start but hoping things start looking up for him... 7 pts in 7 games is very good. Hopefully stays in top 6 and with Mantha. Hate it when teams bring up a potential top 6 guy and put him on line 4 with a facepuncher and tell him to dump it in.lolHe was rushed into the nhl unfortunately. Before getting drafted scouts were saying Kotkaniemi would be a long term project... typical habs management rushed him into the league at 18.
Yes injuries have not helped, but he has not been very good even before the injuries.
Loved Zadina as a prospect & definitely hope he succeeds with the Wings, looking great so far
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I think right now for the foreseeable future hes definitely reserved himself a spot in the top 6. Playing with Neilsen and Helm for a guy like him was just dumb when he first came up. He looked dangerous and coulda had 3 or 4 more points but those guys are black holes offensively for the most part.
With the forwards getting healthy I think youre going to see Zadina stay with at least one of Fabbri or Mantha on his other wing. Filppula isnt a great player anymore but hes well ahead of Neilsen and can actually carry the puck and make some plays as well.
Crazy thing about Zadina is how much he is starting to win board battles and take pucks from guys. It was one of his weaker areas last year and now with some confidence and experience hes more tha holding his own for a 20 year old, offensive minded, rookie winger
I like Filppula quite a lot as a center for Zadina. He still thinks the game at a very high level, and there have been some cheeky passes between the two of them that have clicked pretty well that Helm or Nielsen just weren't expecting or didn't know what to do with after receiving them. Those tight area give and go type passes are how the team are eventually free Zadina up by a step or two and start getting him some space to get that shot off at 5 on 5.
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I've definitely noted the puck pursuit. Also, that his passing is much better than I thought it was (not that I thought it was bad). I probably want him to succeed as much as anyone but I do feel like he's running on a bit of luck right now. Including last night's goal and a few assists I can think of a few unusal bounces that resulted with him getting a point. Gotta be good to be lucky I guess!
The fact he's now looking to stick awhile is fantastic news. Now just need Kaut to get healthy and cause some damage in the AHL so he has a chance to make the big club next season. Weird year for Czech prospects.
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Did you mean someone else? AA's defense leaves A LOT to be desired.
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He was rushed into the nhl unfortunately. Before getting drafted scouts were saying Kotkaniemi would be a long term project... typical habs management rushed him into the league at 18.
Yes injuries have not helped, but he has not been very good even before the injuries.
Loved Zadina as a prospect & definitely hope he succeeds with the Wings, looking great so far
Ya, I kinda worried about that with Kotka. That was my go to rebuttal when people were talking shit about how he was in the NHL and where was Zadina.
MTL had the same problem with Galchenyuk. You've gotta be patient with some of these guys. Not every top pick can be rocketed to the NHL immediately. This is why Edmonton has busted multiple top 5 picks.
Hopefully JK succeeds. Can't say I wont ever talk shit if Zadina does better, but that's part of what makes sports fun.
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Those are 5-on-5 numbers.
And Zadina didn't score a five-on-give goal until the flukey goal last night.
I suspect you knew that.
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I thought Nielsen or Flip would be good for AA and or Zadina... I was wrong.
In the the defense of the old centers, our defense is absolutely terrible at passing to anyone in stride. So most games, we're not attacking the blueline with speed.
Biggest change for Zadina is that he doesn't look like a deer in headlights anymore. Not gripping his stick so hard, not overly nervous.
He looks calm and collected. He knows what he's going to do with the puck before he gets it... ive seen so many great quick passes from him. He's not letting the fast pace of the NHL get to him like it used to. He's got a much better feel for how much time and space he has out there.
Still looks fairly small, slow, and weak... but hes figuring out how to find success at least. Im sure he'll work on his skating and strength over the years. He's agile, just not a fast skater. Kind of like Tomas Tatar.
He looks calm and collected. He knows what he's going to do with the puck before he gets it... ive seen so many great quick passes from him. He's not letting the fast pace of the NHL get to him like it used to. He's got a much better feel for how much time and space he has out there.
Still looks fairly small, slow, and weak... but hes figuring out how to find success at least. Im sure he'll work on his skating and strength over the years. He's agile, just not a fast skater. Kind of like Tomas Tatar.
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He is very good. He’s the kind of guy that’s a lot better with other elite players. Kind of like Huberdeau, he makes a ton of small very intelligent plays that will die if the players on his line aren’t also high end. I see him having a career similar to Tarasenko or Hossa with a little less goal scoring and a little more play making. 70-80pts in prime with great 2way play. It’s jsut taking him some time to develop, but he’s making huge strides game after game.
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A rebound goal when you crash the net is flukey but lets forget that Zadina led the wings in individual corsi for, individual scoring chances, individual expected goals for, had the third best relative corsi for the wings, the highest expected goals for percentage for forwards, and highest expected goals for percentage while hes on the ice.
The same can be said for most games Zadina has played. So whether his goals are flukey or not (a rebound goal isnt), hes playing really good and the points hes getting are completely expected. You might as well have a big stamp across your forehead that says agenda. AA hasnt been close in their limited time playing together
