I'm not sure I would call them black hole, they have more prospects drafted than almost any other Extraliga team, it just seems they never give them chance in Extraliga. I would call black hole those teams that have no decent prospects year after year.
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I'm not sure I would call them black hole, they have more prospects drafted than almost any other Extraliga team, it just seems they never give them chance in Extraliga. I would call black hole those teams that have no decent prospects year after year.
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I said the whole Czech league, not just Kometa. It's why so many of our players leave when they are 17... heck our national coaches have kids playing abroad... Petr and Spacek.
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I understand the frustration, but you have to consider his next season. If he left now to the CHL, he's stuck playing CHL for for two more years after this one, unless he makes the NHL or he was loaned this season to the CHL.
If he leaves Kometa, he doesn't want to be drafted into the NHL out of the CHL. That could make his next few years difficult. He should leave open the option of playing AHL, and that only happens if he's not drafted out of the CHL. USHL would make more sense than OHL.
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But at the same time, he cannot benefit. If he absolutely blew up and scored 1PPG this season, he could've gone top 3-4. While he won't be hindered, the terms of the discussion about his draft stock are only negative, not positive.
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When some owners say it's cheaper to pay two foreigners than to develop one kid you can't expect young kids getting chance.
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Acts like it being USHL and not the CHL in Turcotte's case actually changes anything about the point of that post. LOL
If a detail like that is enough proof for you to disregard someone's "hockey knowledge" I don't know if a casual message board is really the place suited for you.
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Haven't seen his last games, but his last 5 games before U20 tournament he got 13:36, 14:45, 14:24, 12:14 and 13:20 TOI, so better than before.
I saw interview with Pešout (Kometa HC). Last year he was HC of Karlovy Vary where Kulich (drafted by Buffalo) played, so they asked him to compare them. He said Sale is ahead of where Kulich was at the same time.
I saw interview with Pešout (Kometa HC). Last year he was HC of Karlovy Vary where Kulich (drafted by Buffalo) played, so they asked him to compare them. He said Sale is ahead of where Kulich was at the same time.
What Kometa is doing right now is awful and they are killing the talent thats all. 10-11 minutes toi?? 4th line?? Really for such a talent, go to hell with that. Really hope Sale will go out of Kometa soon, preferably to Finnland or Sweden, cause this is disgrateful.
I mean I am all against our young talents running away abroad, especially to CHL to Canada, cause I think, that playing pro european leagues is much better for their development, then playing with juniors, but what choice do they have, if they just dont get a proper chance in Extraliga.
Actually to be fair it seems, that its getting a bit better overall and some clubs like Plzen for example are playing young players and are not afraid to give them proper time, but Kometa is just everything what was and is still wrong with Czech development system. It was the same with Dostal, he had to run away to Finnland to acutally have a chance to play.
With so little top talents we sadly have these years, everyone who emerges like Sale should be absolutelly charished to make sure he makes it, cause right now Czech hockey needs every talent he gets to acutally make it if we want to stay relevant, so this "whatever" attitude Kometa is having towards Sale is absolutelly incomprehensible for me.
The most ridiculous is acutally this article which was released before the season Bejby nebude sedět v koutě! Kam až se prostřílí tichý zabiják z Komety? - iDNES.cz
Here Pesout says that player like Sale need to get proper time in extraliga, and "he wont play in 4th" , "we will give him all the space and time he needs" he even in another interview said he want to play him in top line, and then first season match came and .... 3th line no PP time. And even though even with the little time he got, he still was able to produce points and played great at the beginning of the season, he didnt got up to top lines nor he got any PP time, no even though he played well he actually was getting less and less time, and now he has almost the lowest TOI in the team. Thats just ridiculous.
So for me Pesout is a complete Pejorative Slur, and right now he is killing all the development Sale could have this year, and all of you who are saying,that whats happening in Kometa is allright, you are just wrong I am sorry. This is not how you treat a potential top 10 pick.
I mean I am all against our young talents running away abroad, especially to CHL to Canada, cause I think, that playing pro european leagues is much better for their development, then playing with juniors, but what choice do they have, if they just dont get a proper chance in Extraliga.
Actually to be fair it seems, that its getting a bit better overall and some clubs like Plzen for example are playing young players and are not afraid to give them proper time, but Kometa is just everything what was and is still wrong with Czech development system. It was the same with Dostal, he had to run away to Finnland to acutally have a chance to play.
With so little top talents we sadly have these years, everyone who emerges like Sale should be absolutelly charished to make sure he makes it, cause right now Czech hockey needs every talent he gets to acutally make it if we want to stay relevant, so this "whatever" attitude Kometa is having towards Sale is absolutelly incomprehensible for me.
The most ridiculous is acutally this article which was released before the season Bejby nebude sedět v koutě! Kam až se prostřílí tichý zabiják z Komety? - iDNES.cz
Here Pesout says that player like Sale need to get proper time in extraliga, and "he wont play in 4th" , "we will give him all the space and time he needs" he even in another interview said he want to play him in top line, and then first season match came and .... 3th line no PP time. And even though even with the little time he got, he still was able to produce points and played great at the beginning of the season, he didnt got up to top lines nor he got any PP time, no even though he played well he actually was getting less and less time, and now he has almost the lowest TOI in the team. Thats just ridiculous.
So for me Pesout is a complete Pejorative Slur, and right now he is killing all the development Sale could have this year, and all of you who are saying,that whats happening in Kometa is allright, you are just wrong I am sorry. This is not how you treat a potential top 10 pick.
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It actually amazes me that posters have come on here and said 10 minutes a night with no special teams is fine for his development.lol
He needs to be on special teams, in crucial situations and playing a LOT at what he projects to be. If Kometa doesn't have that space for him then they should let him leave. I stopped looking at the boxscores because he's always on 4th line with no ice time. Plzen does do a good job but Brno does not. Svozil had the same experience.
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Last 3 Extraliga games... this should really help his development.
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He got 11 minutes today... 90 seconds on PP at least. Hope he leaves
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It amazes me when you keep repeating this for months even though most European prospects are developed the same way. Including someone like Necas, for example, who was not only developed the same way but also by the very same team. I think he turned out just fine, NHL stats page seems to agree.
You are complaining here about the same thing every week completely ignoring that half of the world doesn't care at all for your "development strategy". It's almost like it isn't at all as important as you make it out to be and there are gazillions of other factors you choose to ignore.
You are complaining here about the same thing every week completely ignoring that half of the world doesn't care at all for your "development strategy". It's almost like it isn't at all as important as you make it out to be and there are gazillions of other factors you choose to ignore.
No, they obviously do it better elsewhere. Both Finland and Sweden work with young players, they work better, there are far more quality players. And when a player like Šalé appears, he won't get much ice time anyway. With the production of talented Czechs, one would say that we have a problem, but according to you, everything is fine. We Czech fans, knowing the situation, see it differently.
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Finland and Sweden does the same thing when it comes to ice time, it was discussed in the thread before. Halttunen averages 8.52 for HIFK. Michkov gets less games at the KHL level this year than he had last year and in 3 games he played, he averaged 3 minutes (which is kinda funny). Stenberg averaged 58 seconds in the 5 games he played for Frolunda (even funnier), Dvorsky gets 15 minutes but he also plays for the bottom-half team in the 2nd tier.
Once again, sadly, "Czech fans" refuse to acknowledge it due to their beliefs that have 0 argumentation, "gut thing". It's wrong because we know better. What is the actual evidence you have a point here? Or is Europe just some dark forest that has no clue about hockey period? Because, once again, Sale is in one the best situations out of prospects playing here. He has a consistent spot in the lineup in a top-tier league. Leo Carlsson is the only one that is in a meaningfully better one.
Your whole argumentation seems to revolve around "we are the Czechs fans and we are worse at hockey than X/Y/Z country therefore everything our teams are doing must be wrong". Blanket statements like "Finland and Sweden work with young players, they work better" just show you have little knowledge deeper than the most superficial generalization of those countries.
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Šalé is a top talent and should get much more time on the ice. Like Carlsson, like Kemell last year, when as far as I know he led the Liiga in scoring, and many other elite talents from the Nordic countries in recent years, when they are so successful in producing prospects. You will surely know the answer to the question why almost everyone who knows how to play a little hockey in the Czech Republic goes abroad to be sure.
"I won't get that much space in domestic competitions, it will be better for me to play elsewhere."
You will get such an answer from practically all Czech players who have gone abroad. And this alone is absolutely enough to explain the situation in Czech hockey. Go and explain to the hundreds of players over the last years who have gone abroad that they are stupid, wrong and don't know what they are talking about. Distrust in young players is traditional in Czech hockey, so fans are logically skeptical, and their desire for the players to leave is therefore normal.
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What Kemell did is an outlier for a mid-first round prospect. Again, Halttunen is projected to be drafted in roughly the same spot in a deeper draft and played 9 minutes a night. Also, you mention Kemell but Slaf was the one drafted #1 which you conveniently say nothing about.
Try to read it again, what young Czech players who go abroad say, the lack of space for young players is a glaring ailment of Czech hockey, we all know it here, hundreds of articles have been written about it and many stories have been described. It's not my fault that you don't know. And as always, you play for whoever has the most insight, bigger than the fans of foreign teams. You are certainly enjoying it, I will let the further discussion be completely unnecessary given the experience with you and the above.
