F Daniil Gushchin (2020, 76th, SJS)

[FLYguy3911]

He would have to have direct involvement on 66% of his teams goals to average 2.0 PPG. I hesitate to say this, but that is literally impossible.

 

[Atas2000]

I cant say, but every pro and amateur scout Ive seen has told me he easily belongs.

Russia has done this plenty before with even better players

Name them

 

[Kcoyote3]

1.32 ppg in a junior league isn't anything to brag about for a 19yo offensive player.

Nonethless I wouldve liked him on the team. He'd coulve provided some secondary scoring along with some energy.
That said, his ommission isn't that big of a deal. He's hardly irreplaceable.

Yeah but the above post said he wasn't a PPG, which was wrong.

Yeah it's not like he's a world beater with those numbers, but he's very capable at least. He also put up 1 point in his first 4 games, then 28 in his last 18.

 

[Atas2000]

He would have to have direct involvement on 66% of his teams goals to average 2.0 PPG. I hesitate to say this, but that is literally impossible.

Literally impossible is that he plays in a men's league so he could prove he is more than a good player in a junior league at 19. And that was his choice.

 

[Atas2000]

I cant say, but every pro and amateur scout Ive seen has told me he easily belongs.

Russia has done this plenty before with even better players

Those amateur and pro scouts are responsible for the NHL drafts they butcher so hilariously when drafting Russians. They should have a better resume at the draft so I would take their opinions more seriously. They simply don't know the players who play in Russia.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Oh, that's because he's got 4 points in the last game(and a good game before that I guess). Yes, that changes everything.

You do understand the difference between 1.32 and 2, right? Also even 1.32 is good for 2oth in the league. That is both PPG wise and scoring position in the league wise around where the guys playing in Russia sit who did NOT make the WJC roster. And some of them are younger or significantly younger than Guschin and have those stats already. They are the guys who will make the team next year or the April 2022 U18 team.

There is absolutely nothing special about Guschin not making the team with that performance.

Before the 4 points he was still above a PPG. You're moving goalposts from your original point. Either way, he's played really well over the last 18 games, putting up 28 points. He plays for the worst team in the OHL too, and is the only one on the team above a PPG.

 

[Atas2000]

Well of course not, it's 0.32 points too many to be a point per game.

I can't say whether Gushchin is one of the twelve best forwards available for Russia U20 or not, but I think it's silly to simply dismiss his high scoring rates across multiple levels and over multiple years.

He is far behind the top six forwards. Guys he would have to compete against for a 3rd line spot all play in men's leagues and are productive there. I will take Pashin's 13 goals in 24 games in the VHL any day over Guschin's junior stats.

And Guschin on the 4th line would be silly.

 

[Atas2000]

Before the 4 points he was still above a PPG. You're moving goalposts from your original point. Either way, he's played really well over the last 18 games, putting up 28 points. He plays for the worst team in the OHL too, and is the only one on the team above a PPG.

It is you who is moving goalposts now. The point is even with his current stats he is around the guys who did not make the team. And his numbers are juniors numbers too, no matter how good they are. He is 19. He is not Savoie who leads the WHL at 17 too.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Literally impossible is that he plays in a men's league so he could prove he is more than a good player in a junior league at 19. And that was his choice.

You'll get your wish next year.

 

[Patty Ice]

Today I learned 1.32 PPG isn’t a point per game

Yes. It's more.

 

[themelkman]

You'll get your wish next year.

And these guys wonder why young Russian talent doesnt want to stick in Russia. No other nation punishes like they do

 

[Atas2000]

And these guys wonder why young Russian talent doesnt want to stick in Russia. No other nation punishes like they do

Fake narratives again. Who punishes who?

Through and through fake as young Russians who are worth anything stay in Russia. There are few exceptions like Petrov and Guschin. And those are the few who are walking a dangerous path as history shows. They are way more likely to not reach their potential.

 

[Atas2000]

You'll get your wish next year.

Next year he will be 20 though. I am all for him proving he can do more on a higher level, but he has to prove it.

 

[BMann]

And these guys wonder why young Russian talent doesnt want to stick in Russia. No other nation punishes like they do

It's not punishment. It's like every sport. The senior team has to win. The young bucks have to show they can contribute, that they have the IQ, the skill set, the physique and mentality to play the senior game. It applies to all sports. And the fact that so many talented youngsters fall off a cliff when they go abroad from Russia is detrimental to Team Russia in the future. Sure some will decline anyway. Progression paths are never uniform and differ for differing positions but there have been some outstanding talents who made the wrong decision and ended up ruining their futures.

I always state the analogy in association football where so many talented kids from South America end up on the scrapheap after prematurely jumping ship to Europe.

 

[themelkman]

Fake narratives again. Who punishes who?

Through and through fake as young Russians who are worth anything stay in Russia. There are few exceptions like Petrov and Guschin. And those are the few who are walking a dangerous path as history shows. They are way more likely to not reach their potential.

You realize you called my narrative fake, and then reinforced the stereotype I just said was my narrative. Russian fans and organizations punish young players for seeking different development paths because they view it as an affront to Russia. Other nations make bad roster decisions, but not based on where the guys play.

 

[Fantomas]

And these guys wonder why young Russian talent doesnt want to stick in Russia. No other nation punishes like they do

Who doesn't want to stick in Russia? Chayka, Gushchin and Kuznetsov? Not exactly the cream of the crop. Most of the best players actually are in Russia. Michkov's staying for several more years.

Stay mad.

 

[Zine]

It’s not like Gushchin wasnt given chances. He showed his stuff at the Sochi Open this year and was sort of average.

He’s completely fallen of a cliff since he went to North America. He used to easily be our best 2002; regularly playing with the 2001s
Since then he hasn’t looked overly special in any international tournament for his own age group including the Hlinka and u19wjc…. especially for an offensive leader.
He’s really regressed.

 

[Zine]

On skills alone Guschin isn't good enough. He's a mediocre. Maybe he couldve won a spot if the Canada-Russia series was played, but so is life.

Guschin used to be way better than Pashin, but since going to North America Guschin has fallen off a cliff. Pashin has been more impressive in international play.
Either way beyond Chibrikov, Khusnutdinov, Michkov and Yurov, the wings are sort of interchangable. Guschin's ommission isn't that big of a deal.

 

[Patty Ice]

Apparently Gushchin would only be a good prospect if he had stayed in Russia.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Guschin has been excellent in every season he's played since coming to NA, and it's not fair to discredit him for choosing to leave Russia. What is he doing in the OHL that isn't impressive? He plays on the worst team in the league (also his first year in this league, whether or not that means much) and has been racking up points after a slow start to the season.

 

[Zine]

Guschin has been excellent in every season he's played since coming to NA, and it's not fair to discredit him for choosing to leave Russia. What is he doing in the OHL that isn't impressive? He plays on the worst team in the league (also his first year in this league, whether or not that means much) and has been racking up points after a slow start to the season.

Who's saying he's not impressive in the OHL? I like Guschin. But for the world juniors he's not on the level of Russia's best wingers. Shit, any NHL scout could tell you that.
He's a depth scorer at best on this team and would be too even if he stayed at home to develop. There's nothing wrong with that either. He is what he is.

Beyond the top guys a lot of our wingers are interchangable. You could make the same case for tons of other wingers not chosen...Poltapov, Petrov, Miroshnichenko, Fedotov, etc, etc, etc.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Who's saying he's not impressive in the OHL? I like Guschin. But for the world juniors he's not on the level of Russia's best wingers. Shit, any NHL scout could tell you that.
He's a depth scorer at best on this team and would be too even if he stayed at home to develop. There's nothing wrong with that either. He is what he is.

Beyond the top guys a lot of our wingers are interchangable. You could make the same case for tons of other wingers not chosen...Poltapov, Petrov, Miroshnichenko, Fedotov, etc, etc, etc.

I agree he is below a lot of guys on the Russia WJC team. He's a small winger who the coach isn't as familiar with, and it makes sense they didn't select him. I am very happy with what he is doing as a 3rd round pick out of the USHL though.

I said this on the sharks prospect board, but I think the best case scenario is he gets traded to Kingston to help Shane Wright starting getting more points.

 

[Zine]

I agree he is below a lot of guys on the Russia WJC team. He's a small winger who the coach isn't as familiar with, and it makes sense they didn't select him. I am very happy with what he is doing as a 3rd round pick out of the USHL though.

I said this on the sharks prospect board, but I think the best case scenario is he gets traded to Kingston to help Shane Wright starting getting more points.

Best thing about Guschin is how well-rounded he's become. That's something North American hockey did well for him probably. He used to be an electric player but woefully 1 dimensional. But his skills and creativity have taken a giant hit relative to his 2002 Russian teammates development paths. At least that's what I've noticed even going back to the Hlinka tourny a year or 2 ago. I think he could be a servicable NHLer though. Maybe a guy who could buzz around on the 3rd line and crate havoc with his great skating and speed and still have the skill to score some points now and then.
Good player

 

[themelkman]

Its really funny how every NA scout I see LOVES Gush and Russian guys on HFboards hate him. Your criticizing our lack of knowledge but are you really gonna tell me you watched the Lumberjacks and the Icedogs to see his "lack of skills" I would put money you havent seen him play in years.

 

[Atas2000]

Its really funny how every NA scout I see LOVES Gush and Russian guys on HFboards hate him. Your criticizing our lack of knowledge but are you really gonna tell me you watched the Lumberjacks and the Icedogs to see his "lack of skills" I would put money you havent seen him play in years.

It's funny how (nearly) every NA scout fails at evaluating Russians. Easy to check for evrybody to see. When they start drafting Russians somewhere around where they should be drafted we might stop laughing at their disabilities. Until then thay can "love" Guschin over other russian prospects all they want.