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F Cayden Lindstrom - Medicine Hat Tigers, WHL (2024, 4th, CBJ)

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That's a fair point. They know more about the injury than the general public, and have a better idea of future risks and healing timeline. That said, it is still possible they took on more risk than most would stomach.

Since you asked, I informed my risk with the knowledge of what early injuries have done to players before, the delay that large amounts of missed development time cause, and the specific skill levels of the other options available. I am not an expert on the human body, nor am I an NHL decision maker, so I did not need to go farther than this very basic analysis to make my personal rankings which were shared only for my benefit and the enjoyment of HF Wild. Had I known more I may have raised Lindstrom up in my rankings or, conversely, moved him down even further.

I really like Lindstrom, and I thought he was one of the most intriguing prospects with his size, speed, strength, puck skill, and shot. I would have had him somewhere around 3-6th overall on my list if not for the injury. I don't think dropping him ~5 spots is unreasonably low.
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"just because something works later out doesn't mean it wasn't too big of a risk to take at the time"

Just seems a little weird to me that you might assume the CBJ did the wrong thing (ie too much risk) even if it works out for them in the end, while not actually knowing how much risk they knew/believed to be taking on.

I understand your logic as it pertains to what you, not an NHL decision maker, would do.
 
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Monk said:
"just because something works later out doesn't mean it wasn't too big of a risk to take at the time"

Just seems a little weird to me that you might assume the CBJ did the wrong thing (ie too much risk) even if it works out for them in the end, while not actually knowing how much risk they knew/believed to be taking on.

I understand your logic as it pertains to what you, not an NHL decision maker, would do.
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As I mentioned before, just because they have more information than I do does not mean they didn't take too large of a risk; they may have not, or they may have taken an even larger risk than I know. Currently, it appears too large of a risk to me because I have the information I have. It's not an assumption they did the wrong thing, it's a judgement based off imperfect knowledge. If they share their information with me (doubtful) then I may change my mind. But if I am in the business of judging, and in this case I am, I cannot reserve judgement until I have perfect knowledge, or I will never judge at all.
 
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That is...not good. I would guess a microdiscectomy, which is outpatient and not major on its own, but also means that either rest and rehab didn't work or he reinjured.

The problem with back surgeries is that they often predict additional, future back surgeries. A very small percentage of back injuries do not heal well enough with just rest and core strengthening, so that is not ideal.

I had my own back surgery at 18 from a sports injury and then my second, more serious surgery at 33. I did not have access to the level of care cayden does, but I also did not put my body through the trauma he likely will, either. I hope he recovers well.
 
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Ridiculous. He shouldn’t have to have another procedure after 6+ months of rehab. Sounds to me like burning nerves which does nothing for the underlying cause.

If any CBJ employee is reading this, please refer Lindstrom to the PT for 20yo bronze weightlifter Hampton Morris at a company called Physioedge.

The PT there is the best in the business and treats multiple professional athletes (and myself). My back injuries are a thing of the past because of them. Never required any surgery
 
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Ridiculous. He shouldn’t have to have another procedure after 6+ months of rehab. Sounds to me like burning nerves which does nothing for the underlying cause.

If any CBJ employee is reading this, please refer Lindstrom to the PT for 20yo bronze weightlifter Hampton Morris at a company called Physioedge.

The PT there is the best in the business and treats multiple professional athletes (and myself). My back injuries are a thing of the past because of them. Never required any surgery
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If he did indeed have a microdiscectomy (I don't know, it's just a guess), then it's a repair of the cushioning "disc" that are between each vertebrae. When one ruptures or bulges, the contents of the disc compress against the nerves that run through the spinal cord at that vertebrae level.

The higher (on the body) the vertebrae level, the more limbs affected. Usually it is at the lumbar (lower back) because of the increase in pressure on that area, which means it likely only affected one of his legs.

The surgery just fixes that bulge by repairing the disc, which relieves the pressure (and the pain) instantaneously (provided no nerve damage). He will have like a one inch scar and a little bit of scar tissue internally.

The issue with this injury is that it can be (and usually is) a symptom of an underlying problem. For me, it was degenerative disc disease, which isn't that uncommon. The disc will never be the same and he will most likely have to manage his back for the rest of his life, unless he is very lucky.

The nice part is, though, he probably walked out of that surgery center feeling better than he had in months and months. It's truly amazing how quickly the pain is gone.
 
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If he did indeed have a microdiscectomy (I don't know, it's just a guess), then it's a repair of the cushioning "disc" that are between each vertebra. When one ruptures or bulges, the contents of the disc compress against the nerves that run through the spinal cord at that vertebrae level.

The higher (on the body) the vertebrae level, the more limbs it effects. Usually it is at the lumbar (lower back) because of the increase in pressure on that area, which means it likely only effected one of his legs.

The surgery just fixes that bulge by repairing the disc and that relieves the pressure (and the pain) instantaneously. He will have like a one inch scar and a little bit of scar tissue internally.

The issue with this injury is that it can be (and usually is) a symptom of an underlying problem. For me, it was degenerative disc disease, which isn't that uncommon. The disc will never be the same and he will most likely have to manage his back for the rest of his life, unless he is very lucky.

The nice part is, though, he probably walked out of that surgery center feeling better than he had in months and months. It's truly amazing how quickly the pain is gone.
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Exactly, agree with all of that. He needs core stability to be able to bend, move, etc while keeping his spine braced and preventing disc issues. The bulge happens from not stabilizing your spine with core stability activation during movements. Hopefully he’s been working on this concept for 6+ months and not had a bad treatment and rehabilitation plan. I committed myself to it for 6-9 months and I’m able to squat and deadlift like I used to after having bouts of debilitating back spasms and nerve pain on and off for a couple years.

Think of stomping on an empty coke cane versus one that hasn’t been opened. When you stabilize your entire core that’s how it protects your spine and vertebrae.

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Ok, yeah, that's what he had. Hopefully he gets a good 10 years after this without any issues. Lots of core work coming his way.
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Yeah the fact he got 90% but still had nerve issues makes me think he still hasn’t learned how to brace his core properly, which is concerning for long term health and hockey movements. But, I’m just guessing, and just know from experience how frustrating back injuries can be until you unlock the key to supporting your back
 
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Any idea when he will be back? I know people are saying this season but it’s a long season. Rough timeframe?
 
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Career injury issues for this guy... back problems are recurrent. If at 18-19 he has this condition, I can't imagine what it will be in his late 20's... Should have never went in the top 10 imo. Can't believe he got drafted before Ivan Demidov...
 
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Erika said:
Career injury issues for this guy... back problems are recurrent. If at 18-19 he has this condition, I can't imagine what it will be in his late 20's... Should have never went in the top 10 imo. Can't believe he got drafted before Ivan Demidov...
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Possible but absolutely not a guarantee
 
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And knowing this, would you still draft him 4th overall ? I would presume most Gm wouldn't today, imo.
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I as someone who has dealt with something similar said before the draft I'd be happy with either Lindstrom or Demidov while favoring Lindstrom. If you like the guy, take him
 
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