F Alexis Lafreniere - Rimouski Oceanic, QMJHL (2020 Draft) Part 2

[SympathyForTheDevils]

Marner played with Rupert and Dvorak in his draft year primarily, and then put two points per game in the playoffs centering Josh Sterk. I think your thinking of his post draft season with Tkachuk and Dvorak.

You're correct, I was thinking of 15-16. Though Dvorak was also an excellent junior player in his own right.

 

[Devils Army]

I really don't see the Hall comparison. Hall was a more typical Canadian winger prospect: very fast, very explosive skater, great shot, fine playmaker but more oriented toward scoring. Lafrenière is a good but not great skater, has a good shot that he doesn't use enough and has exceptional vision and decision-making. Hall sped things up and Lafrenière slows them down. Only things they have in common is their position and their size.

Hall is a way better playmaker then scorer, he has a good release and hard shot but is pretty inaccurate. Lafrenière is bigger than Hall as well.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Damn, some people in here are tough to please.

I think he has the best IQ/compete level combination since Crosby. It's too bad he's almost certainly going to end up on a division rival. Will have to start cheering against him soon.

 

[Kaner]

I watched part of the final and most if the Finland game.

Definitely not on McDavid level, but I think he is also behind Matthews and Eichel level. Scored some nice goals, but wasn’t dominating 5 on 5 game. Especially in final game was far away from MVP. Had couple of giveaways, was really lost in the own end and didn’t step up in final period like some other Canadiens.Defensively was also very poor, I am not saying that Matthews and Eichel are great defensively.

Of course he is a great talent and best of his age group, but people tend to overhype first overalls. There is not generational talents every year.

 

[Divine]

Hall is a way better playmaker then scorer, he has a good release and hard shot but is pretty inaccurate. Lafrenière is bigger than Hall as well.

They're both 6'1? I don't think you mean weight either because Hall weighs more.

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

Lafreniere over Svechnikov and Laine.

In terms of prospects and leading up to their draft, Laffy is a more superior prospect.

Lmao there is no chance in hell he would go over Laine. Recency bias at its best. Leading up to their draft? Laine won the MVP for the FEL playoffs and the WHC... I don't think you remember how hyped up he was. 6'4 winger with the best shot in a decade, people were comparing him to Lemieux.

 

[HSF]

his overall game and IQ is superior to Hall and Laine. Laine has more physical attributes and shot but in terms of the mental aspect of the game. What makes Laf special is the way he thinks the game is so complete and he is a hound.

 

[135ace]

Lmao there is no chance in hell he would go over Laine. Recency bias at its best. Leading up to their draft? Laine won the MVP for the FEL playoffs and the WHC... I don't think you remember how hyped up he was. 6'4 winger with the best shot in a decade, people were comparing him to Lemieux.

By people you mean fins, so that should be taken with a grain of salt. They compare most of their mediocre 1st round prospects to all-time greats.

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

By people you mean fins, so that should be taken with a grain of salt. They compare most of their mediocre 1st round prospects to all-time greats.

It wasn't only fins. McKeen's compared him to Lemieux pre draft too for example. Nevertheless Ovechkin was still a common comparison by draft analysts and also he was speculated to be possibly "a generational goal scorer"... as I said there was a lot of hype.

 

[The Camera Eye]

I watched part of the final and most if the Finland game.

Definitely not on McDavid level, but I think he is also behind Matthews and Eichel level. Scored some nice goals, but wasn’t dominating 5 on 5 game. Especially in final game was far away from MVP. Had couple of giveaways, was really lost in the own end and didn’t step up in final period like some other Canadiens.Defensively was also very poor, I am not saying that Matthews and Eichel are great defensively.

Of course he is a great talent and best of his age group, but people tend to overhype first overalls. There is not generational talents every year.

Wow you watched part of one game and most of another game. Incredibly convincing scouting report.

 

[Jesperi is my Daddy]

Lmao there is no chance in hell he would go over Laine. Recency bias at its best. Leading up to their draft? Laine won the MVP for the FEL playoffs and the WHC... I don't think you remember how hyped up he was. 6'4 winger with the best shot in a decade, people were comparing him to Lemieux.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

He would have gone over Laine and it wouldn't be thought about for a second.

 

[wacko2]

He would have gone over Laine and it wouldn't be thought about for a second.

Maybe, maybe not. Laine has 60 goal potential and is always an underrated playmaker.

Dunno, tough call.

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

Can't bother to provide a counter argument ? To be more precise, I'm not claiming he won't become a better player. Just talking about their pre draft stock which Laine had plenty. Anyways I'd like to shift this argument (which is impossible for me to win here anyways) away from that: I was under impression of him being this utterly dominant player offensively in every way and I must say I was a tad disappointed.

 

[daver]

He strikes me a player who seems to be able to find the puck on stick through smart hockey plays. He also is a puck hound.

That stuff should translate well in the NHL.

 

[WildWillie]

Lafreniere finishes 4th in pts with 10 while missing 3 games including their 2 weaker opponents. Some of the subtle plays where he anticipates a play occurring seconds before it occurs and is correct almost always. Hear me correctly because i'm not saying hes Gretzky, but his anticipation and hockey IQ is his greatest attribute and I think its the highest we've seen since Gretzky or at least Crosby?

 

[InTkachukWeTrust]

He strikes me a player who seems to be able to find the puck on stick through smart hockey plays. He also is a puck hound.

That stuff should translate well in the NHL.

I agree, I saw him making Stone-esque defensive plays, batting pucks out of the air while pursuing the player. I want him on Ottawa very badly.

 

[Frk It]

Can't bother to provide a counter argument ? To be more precise, I'm not claiming he won't become a better player. Just talking about their pre draft stock which Laine had plenty. Anyways I'd like to shift this argument (which is impossible for me to win here anyways) away from that: I was under impression of him being this utterly dominant player offensively in every way and I must say I was a tad disappointed.

How? He put up 2 PPG and was the MVP of the tournament. Drove possession every time he was on the ice.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I agree, I saw him making Stone-esque defensive plays, batting pucks out of the air while pursuing the player. I want him on Ottawa very badly.

He definitely has Stone like defensive abilities on the defensive side of the puck. Would like that comp more overall but they are very different in how they play in the offensive zone and create offense.

 

[Jabba11]

Lmao there is no chance in hell he would go over Laine. Recency bias at its best. Leading up to their draft? Laine won the MVP for the FEL playoffs and the WHC... I don't think you remember how hyped up he was. 6'4 winger with the best shot in a decade, people were comparing him to Lemieux.

Recency if you think I’m just a band wagoner and not following him since his midget days with St-Eustache.

And the proof that he is a much bigger prospect than Laine is that he’s projected to be 1st overall, not 2nd overall like Laine. Laine was compared to Ovy, not Lemieux. Lafreniere has been on the radar for 3-4 years easily. If Laine was the bigger prospect, he would have gone 1st overall. Lafreniere wins, he’s a gamer, he finishes the game sweating like crazy and you know he gives it all out there. The hype for Lafreniere is that he was already touted to be competing for Hughes in the other draft and Hughes had crazy hype around him too.

Don’t use the recency thing on me, I’m from Quebec and we’re just excited to see how Laffy is showing the world that Quebec has elite talent.

 

[Tutu to]

It wasn't only fins. McKeen's compared him to Lemieux pre draft too for example. Nevertheless Ovechkin was still a common comparison by draft analysts and also he was speculated to be possibly "a generational goal scorer"... as I said there was a lot of hype.

Compared to Lemieux but went after Austin Mathews?

 

[Jesperi is my Daddy]

Can't bother to provide a counter argument ? To be more precise, I'm not claiming he won't become a better player. Just talking about their pre draft stock which Laine had plenty. Anyways I'd like to shift this argument (which is impossible for me to win here anyways) away from that: I was under impression of him being this utterly dominant player offensively in every way and I must say I was a tad disappointed.

He had 10 points in 5 games and won MVP. I think he dominated all right.

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

He had 10 points in 5 games and won MVP. I think he dominated all right.

I'm not talking about points. I didn't say he played bad, I just expected better for the hype he's been getting. He doesn't have many weaknesses in his game and has a nice variety of skills, but didn't really see anything exceptional in his game either.

 

[WildWillie]

I'm not talking about points. I didn't say he played bad, I just expected better for the hype he's been getting. He doesn't have many weaknesses in his game and has a nice variety of skills, but didn't really see anything exceptional in his game either.

The intangibles are what has made him such a prolific scorer. he's out there playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

The intangibles are what has made him such a prolific scorer. he's out there playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.

Maybe I just evaluated him wrong. Tbh I didn't expect him to play in such a cerebral style. More like someone who would just force his way to the net and around players with speed and skill, like MacKinnon maybe. He did seem to have a great understanding of the game.